*** OFFICIAL MATRIX RELOADED AFTERMATH THREAD *** spoilers

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: koolhand
So what's the deal with Neo being able to stop the Sentinels as if he was "in" the Matrix when he's
out in the "real" world??

Yeah that's one thing that wasn't explained...I figure either the 'real world' is also some kind of virtual reality or Neo's not just the 6th 'One'...

He only THOUGHT he was stopping the sentinels. The ship that picked them up did an EMP.

 

[minus1972]

did it?

 

[FrogDog]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: koolhand
So what's the deal with Neo being able to stop the Sentinels as if he was "in" the Matrix when he's
out in the "real" world??

Yeah that's one thing that wasn't explained...I figure either the 'real world' is also some kind of virtual reality or Neo's not just the 6th 'One'...

He only THOUGHT he was stopping the sentinels. The ship that picked them up did an EMP.

Heyyyyyyyy good point!!

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: PoonDaddy007

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: Beast1284
References to Christianity out the ARSE. The references were so blatant I was laughing to myself through the entire film. But, an excellent sequel and I can't wait to see what happens in the next.

i've never read the bible or been to church, so point out some of the references you found amusing.

When Neo comes to Zion and gets off the elevator with Trinity, it's like he's Jesus, the Messiah. The people give him food and offeringss, ask him to look after their sons and daughterss much like how people asked Jesus to heal illnesses, raise people from the death, etc.

That's one that I thought of.

yeah, i was just wondering about more obscure references.

 

[PoonDaddy007]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: koolhand
So what's the deal with Neo being able to stop the Sentinels as if he was "in" the Matrix when he's
out in the "real" world??

Yeah that's one thing that wasn't explained...I figure either the 'real world' is also some kind of virtual reality or Neo's not just the 6th 'One'...

He only THOUGHT he was stopping the sentinels. The ship that picked them up did an EMP.

then why did he go into a coma?

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: koolhand
So what's the deal with Neo being able to stop the Sentinels as if he was "in" the Matrix when he's
out in the "real" world??

Yeah that's one thing that wasn't explained...I figure either the 'real world' is also some kind of virtual reality or Neo's not just the 6th 'One'...

He only THOUGHT he was stopping the sentinels. The ship that picked them up did an EMP.

Heyyyyyyyy good point!!

the ship would have had to have landed and turn off all its electronic devices it cannot float and do an emp

or it would have crashed

and that also does not explain why he fainted and went into a coma

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: koolhand
So what's the deal with Neo being able to stop the Sentinels as if he was "in" the Matrix when he's
out in the "real" world??

Yeah that's one thing that wasn't explained...I figure either the 'real world' is also some kind of virtual reality or Neo's not just the 6th 'One'...

He only THOUGHT he was stopping the sentinels. The ship that picked them up did an EMP.

and that thought rendered him unconscious, so maybe this time when he wakes up again he will have powers in the real world.

 

[koolhand]

He only THOUGHT he was stopping the sentinels. The ship that picked them up did an EMP.[/quote]

then why did he go into a coma?[/quote]

IF they did an EMP, then the EMP probably caused him to go into a coma (like an electrical shock?)

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: koolhand
He only THOUGHT he was stopping the sentinels. The ship that picked them up did an EMP.

then why did he go into a coma?[/quote]

IF they did an EMP, then the EMP probably caused him to go into a coma (like an electrical shock?)[/quote]

EMP doesn't effect biological organisms.

The coma was setting in before the EMP. He said, "Something feels different." What he mistook for himself suddenly having real world powers was the coma setting in.

Why is he in a coma? I have a feeling that is something Revolutions will address.

 

[PoonDaddy007]

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: PoonDaddy007

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: Beast1284
References to Christianity out the ARSE. The references were so blatant I was laughing to myself through the entire film. But, an excellent sequel and I can't wait to see what happens in the next.

i've never read the bible or been to church, so point out some of the references you found amusing.

When Neo comes to Zion and gets off the elevator with Trinity, it's like he's Jesus, the Messiah. The people give him food and offeringss, ask him to look after their sons and daughterss much like how people asked Jesus to heal illnesses, raise people from the death, etc.

That's one that I thought of.

yeah, i was just wondering about more obscure references.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember either the Oracle or someone saying that the end of the road fro Neo is inside the door with the white light implying that he would die in there. Now once he gets in there he has to make a choice, sacrifce himself for all of mandkind or stay in the matrix and help Trinity. Sort of anti-messiah in that he chooses to stay in the matrix but the fact that he had the choice of sacrifice for mandkind is similar to Jesus in the Bible.

 

[Pastore]

Also, did anyone else find it hilarious that the evil guy (the debil) was French? hahahah

 

[PoonDaddy007]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: koolhand
He only THOUGHT he was stopping the sentinels. The ship that picked them up did an EMP.

then why did he go into a coma?

IF they did an EMP, then the EMP probably caused him to go into a coma (like an electrical shock?)[/quote]

EMP doesn't effect biological organisms.

The coma was setting in before the EMP. He said, "Something feels different." What he mistook for himself suddenly having real world powers was the coma setting in.

Why is he in a coma? I have a feeling that is something Revolutions will address.[/quote]

also, trinity, morpheus, and _____ [the driver] weren't affected by the EMP if it was one.

 

[FrogDog]

Originally posted by: Beast1284
Also, did anyone else find it hilarious that the evil guy (the debil) was French? hahahah

Speaking of that guy, what's his role now? Is he overwith? It seems as though he should be, because he was the protector of the key maker, but his exit would make you think otherwise...

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: Beast1284
Also, did anyone else find it hilarious that the evil guy (the debil) was French? hahahah

Speaking of that guy, what's his role now? Is he overwith? It seems as though he should be, because he was the protector of the key maker, but his exit would make you think otherwise...

Personally I think we are done with him. If his role is the evil man meaning Satan, which I think he is (made the chick have an orgasm? yeah, that's the devil for you), I think his role in the film is over, here's why. The last thing that he said to Neo was, "You can't kill me." Satan can definitely not be defeated, not even by God (Neo).

 

[VRoOMdesigns]

saw a private 6:30 showing for graduating seniors from columbia.

while i thought the movie was good, i thought the first one was better. the new york times review pretty accurately describes what i think, as well.

action: amazing. nothing short of spectacular. favorites were the highway scene and the brief fight with seraph (the jet li lookalike figure). i couldn't get enough of trinity on the ducati.

characters: i thought they could have done a better job with the character development, but hey, it's an action movie. there were a lot of characters that weren't really explained.. like the mouse lookalike (see previous discussion), jada pinkett smith, lock and his relationship with his girl, and the guy who loves french. however, i did enjoy the short appearnces of the keymaker, the twin ghost agents, and frenchie's wife.

plot: not too much of it, which was good. i think they could've done the shattering of the prophecy (if it was shattered) in more intensity, but overall it's basically neo trying to figure out what to do, oracle tells him, he does it, finds out it's all bunk (or is it), and then maybe figures out a way to conquer the second control.

humor: nice. loved the digital orgasm, Lock, and the scene after neo fights the smiths and then flies away. weaving (smith) has the "what do i do now" look down cold.

i felt like there were a lot of unanswered questions, and a lot of confusion about what's actually going on, and to figure it out it takes a lot of thought, which shouldn't necessarily happen in a film like this.. biblical references i think were toned down from the first movie.. just a lot of imagery like the people in the religious clothes, the quick shots of religious idols, and the guy who i feel like is playing the role of judas iscariot.

all in all, it was definitely worth seeing and i'll be sure to see it a second time.

and yeah, that rave scene was ridiculously long.

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: VRoOMdesigns
saw a private 6:30 showing for graduating seniors from columbia.

while i thought the movie was good, i thought the first one was better. the new york times review pretty accurately describes what i think, as well.

action: amazing. nothing short of spectacular. favorites were the highway scene and the brief fight with seraph (the jet li lookalike figure). i couldn't get enough of trinity on the ducati.

characters: i thought they could have done a better job with the character development, but hey, it's an action movie. there were a lot of characters that weren't really explained.. like the mouse lookalike (see previous discussion), jada pinkett smith, lock and his relationship with his girl, and the guy who loves french. however, i did enjoy the short appearnces of the keymaker, the twin ghost agents, and frenchie's wife.

plot: not too much of it, which was good. i think they could've done the shattering of the prophecy (if it was shattered) in more intensity, but overall it's basically neo trying to figure out what to do, oracle tells him, he does it, finds out it's all bunk (or is it), and then maybe figures out a way to conquer the second control.

humor: nice. loved the digital orgasm, Lock, and the scene after neo fights the smiths and then flies away. weaving (smith) has the "what do i do now" look down cold.

i felt like there were a lot of unanswered questions, and a lot of confusion about what's actually going on, and to figure it out it takes a lot of thought, which shouldn't necessarily happen in a film like this.. biblical references i think were toned down from the first movie.. just a lot of imagery like the people in the religious clothes, the quick shots of religious idols, and the guy who i feel like is playing the role of judas iscariot.

all in all, it was definitely worth seeing and i'll be sure to see it a second time.

and yeah, that rave scene was ridiculously long.

Funny, I thought the religious references were much stronger.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: koolhand
So what's the deal with Neo being able to stop the Sentinels as if he was "in" the Matrix when he's
out in the "real" world??

the real world is a secondary program to contain the humans who got out of the 1st world.

they only thought they were free from the machine and had their real bodies, but they werent. even in their "real" world, they were still within the computer program.

NEO was the 6th one that tried to shut down the machine and save what he thoguht was his real world. but in actuality, he realized the "real" world was another computer program, thus he had power over it.

 

[Marauder-]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: Beast1284
Also, did anyone else find it hilarious that the evil guy (the debil) was French? hahahah

Speaking of that guy, what's his role now? Is he overwith? It seems as though he should be, because he was the protector of the key maker, but his exit would make you think otherwise...

Personally I think we are done with him. If his role is the evil man meaning Satan, which I think he is (made the chick have an orgasm? yeah, that's the devil for you), I think his role in the film is over, here's why. The last thing that he said to Neo was, "You can't kill me." Satan can definitely not be defeated, not even by God (Neo).

GOOD POINT! Hey is there a reference in the bible to his two phasing bodyguards?

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: VRoOMdesigns

i felt like there were a lot of unanswered questions, and a lot of confusion about what's actually going on, and to figure it out it takes a lot of thought, which shouldn't necessarily happen in a film like this.. biblical references i think were toned down from the first movie.. just a lot of imagery like the people in the religious clothes, the quick shots of religious idols, and the guy who i feel like is playing the role of judas iscariot.

all in all, it was definitely worth seeing and i'll be sure to see it a second time.

and yeah, that rave scene was ridiculously long.

Well, for one, this one didn't have an ending, so of course it's going to have a lot of unanswered questions. If they answered all the questions, what would they need the third installment for?

That would be like me knocking LOTR because we don't find out if the ring gets destroyed. I mean come on, it's a trilogy - You can't go into it thinking you're going to get an end-all be all conclusion.

I think the rave scene was like that for a reason. The Wachowskis have shown they don't do something without a good reason - Perhaps there is a method to their madness.

 

[Winchester]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: Beast1284
Also, did anyone else find it hilarious that the evil guy (the debil) was French? hahahah

Speaking of that guy, what's his role now? Is he overwith? It seems as though he should be, because he was the protector of the key maker, but his exit would make you think otherwise...

Personally I think we are done with him. If his role is the evil man meaning Satan, which I think he is (made the chick have an orgasm? yeah, that's the devil for you), I think his role in the film is over, here's why. The last thing that he said to Neo was, "You can't kill me." Satan can definitely not be defeated, not even by God (Neo).

But God can kill satan. You need to watch Megiddo

 

[StageLeft]

I found it, compared to the first, quite underwhelming. It was a connect the dot of fights with a weak plot at best. Plus the fighting just frankly got boring. It was a big wire string mess and the CGI for the fight with the bar at one point I was sure I was looking at a real time render of what they must use on the console version of the matrix game.

Not to sound too harsh because the movie was ok, just a dissapointment for me and I think that a lot of people are going to find it was less to them than the first. Certainly in no hurry to see it again.

 

[Marauder-]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: koolhand
So what's the deal with Neo being able to stop the Sentinels as if he was "in" the Matrix when he's
out in the "real" world??

the real world is a secondary program to contain the humans who got out of the 1st world.

they only thought they were free from the machine and had their real bodies, but they werent. even in their "real" world, they were still within the computer program.

NEO was the 6th one that tried to shut down the machine and save what he thoguht was his real world. but in actuality, he realized the "real" world was another computer program, thus he had power over it.

Thanks dude - Now I won't have to spend another 9 bux just to watch the Architech talk for another 10 mins.

 

[VRoOMdesigns]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: VRoOMdesigns
saw a private 6:30 showing for graduating seniors from columbia.

while i thought the movie was good, i thought the first one was better. the new york times review pretty accurately describes what i think, as well.

action: amazing. nothing short of spectacular. favorites were the highway scene and the brief fight with seraph (the jet li lookalike figure). i couldn't get enough of trinity on the ducati.

characters: i thought they could have done a better job with the character development, but hey, it's an action movie. there were a lot of characters that weren't really explained.. like the mouse lookalike (see previous discussion), jada pinkett smith, lock and his relationship with his girl, and the guy who loves french. however, i did enjoy the short appearnces of the keymaker, the twin ghost agents, and frenchie's wife.

plot: not too much of it, which was good. i think they could've done the shattering of the prophecy (if it was shattered) in more intensity, but overall it's basically neo trying to figure out what to do, oracle tells him, he does it, finds out it's all bunk (or is it), and then maybe figures out a way to conquer the second control.

humor: nice. loved the digital orgasm, Lock, and the scene after neo fights the smiths and then flies away. weaving (smith) has the "what do i do now" look down cold.

i felt like there were a lot of unanswered questions, and a lot of confusion about what's actually going on, and to figure it out it takes a lot of thought, which shouldn't necessarily happen in a film like this.. biblical references i think were toned down from the first movie.. just a lot of imagery like the people in the religious clothes, the quick shots of religious idols, and the guy who i feel like is playing the role of judas iscariot.

all in all, it was definitely worth seeing and i'll be sure to see it a second time.

and yeah, that rave scene was ridiculously long.

Funny, I thought the religious references were much stronger.

I think they were definitely prevalent, but i don't think they did as much for the film as they did in the first, which i guess is obvious, but i didn't feel like they added very much more to the nobility of his mission. maybe it's cuz there are just so many things that detract from his image as the savior (ie the let's find a place to do the dirty scene with trinity and the fact that the oracle's protector could fight him pretty evenly) i dunno, maybe i didn't catch that many, either, but i did go to catholic school!

 

[Legendary]

I can't sleep because of this. Amazing.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: Beast1284
Also, did anyone else find it hilarious that the evil guy (the debil) was French? hahahah

Speaking of that guy, what's his role now? Is he overwith? It seems as though he should be, because he was the protector of the key maker, but his exit would make you think otherwise...

Personally I think we are done with him. If his role is the evil man meaning Satan, which I think he is (made the chick have an orgasm? yeah, that's the devil for you), I think his role in the film is over, here's why. The last thing that he said to Neo was, "You can't kill me." Satan can definitely not be defeated, not even by God (Neo).

ok, if Neo is god, and the french guy is Satan, then what's the religions symbolizm of the Architect?!

and when is the "last flight of Osiris" suppose to come out?