isn't zion basically already gone.....when they were discussing with another ship at the end that saved them that zion was already attacked and massacred?
the child of the one in the terrible twos....man thats gotta suck in the matrix :-D
Originally posted by: gwlam12
maybe agent smith is a virus now.
anyway, for the poster above who said trinity and neo's child will save them...i dont think thats possible. zion will be gone by the time the child is old enough.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: JEDI
As for power output, why didnt the machines just build nuclear plants w/half lifes of millions of years?!
morpheus said they have fusion.
someone is going to pop up and say the matrix was invented by humans after they screwed up the world, because the explanation of using people as batteries violates themordynamics
Originally posted by: BD2003
Right now, I am thinking that if there is a matrix within a matrix, it is not that the machines have two layers of matrix to prevent them from getting out. Only that the machines are in the matrix of their own, and in order to understand their existence, being bound to computer hardware, they have turned to using humans to understand their own reality.
There was a part in the animatrix where the humans throw one of their captured machines into a matrix of its own, and it has no idea what is real or not.
Originally posted by: placebo139
=(
I have to wait till next friday to watch it cause of stupid finals.
Have to skip every word in this thread to avoid spoilers...
Originally posted by: placebo139
=(
I have to wait till next friday to watch it cause of stupid finals.
Have to skip every word in this thread to avoid spoilers...
Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy
Originally posted by: gwlam12
maybe agent smith is a virus now.
anyway, for the poster above who said trinity and neo's child will save them...i dont think thats possible. zion will be gone by the time the child is old enough.
isn't zion basically already gone.....when they were discussing with another ship at the end that saved them that zion was already attacked and massacred?
the child of the one in the terrible twos....man thats gotta suck in the matrix :-D
Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy
Originally posted by: gwlam12
maybe agent smith is a virus now.
anyway, for the poster above who said trinity and neo's child will save them...i dont think thats possible. zion will be gone by the time the child is old enough.
isn't zion basically already gone.....when they were discussing with another ship at the end that saved them that zion was already attacked and massacred?
the child of the one in the terrible twos....man thats gotta suck in the matrix :-D
Originally posted by: dfi
Ok, so this is what my friend and I got from that movie.
1) Neo is still in the matrix. In fact, he never left the matrix.
2) The "real" world, containing Morpheus and Zion, is merely another layer of the matrix. It is a method of controlling all "the ones" that would come to be, the 1% of anomalies that is bound to occur. This can be seen from the architect's talk with Neo about the 5 previous "the ones", and also the way the architect says he has become efficient at destroying Zion and the human race. The oracle is merely part of that system. She is does what she is suppose to do, which is give purpose to "the one" and lead him to the architect. That is how the oracle knows that Neo is having dreams in the "real" world, even though she is just a program in the system.
Of course the architect is hoping that all "the ones" always pick the choice of saving all of humanity, and thus somehow dooming Zion/show "the ones" that it's futile. However, as the architect and Neo both said, the problem is "choice". While, according to the architect, the 5 previous ones had a generalized feeling towards humanity (wanting to save humanity as a whole), Neo was different because he had a specific person that he was in love with (Trinity), and therefore (as the architect put it), triggering the chemical effects of love that overpowers logic. The architect is able to see many variations and possibilities and has seen that Neo is the small probability that the outer control mechanism (the "real" world) fails to bring "the one" to the "proper/expected" choice of saving humanity.
3) Agent Smith has found a way to go to the layer of the matrix that Neo is now in. Smith is the guy with the beard. He probably survived the attack because the sentinels realized that the bearded man was not human.
4) The asian guy who fought Neo is not a program, but another "the one", 1 of the 5 the architect spoke of. Which explains why the asian guy was glowing, as if enlightened. Also, this explains why he could keep up with Neo. Besides, when Neo asked the asian guy how he knew Neo was "the one", the asian guy responded that he could tell by fighting Neo.
The asian guy can't be a program; otherwise there would never be "the one" (which the architect said there has been 6, including Neo). If a program can fight on par with "the one", then it would be simple for the matrix to kill "the one" by sending multiple "asian guy" programs.
5) The french guy and his wife are possibly both also 2 of the 5 previous "the ones". The french guy is totally jaded; this can be seen in the way he criticizes Neo for following the oracle's order like a simple drone. And I don't think he is a program unless programs like getting blowjobs. This also explains why the french guy can make "special" cakes, and have renegade programs as part of his gang without the sentinels coming to try and delete them. This is also why the matrix has never sent sentinels to get the keymaker: because the keymaker is protected by "the ones". The reason I think the french guy's wife is also "the one" is because she said that she came "together at the beginning" or something along those lines. She was also able to kill one of the renegade programs with ease, and the other renegade program feared her. And she is openly defiant of the french guy, yet the french guy does not punish her. She misses being loved, which no program has shown a propensity towards thus far.
6) The scene with Neo and the counselor at the bottom of Zion, looking at the machinery, seems to foreshadow that somehow the humans do not NEED the machines, yet still depend/want them. Which could actually said to work in reverse for the machines. Maybe the machines don't actually NEED the humans to survive, but depend/want humans. This can be seen in when the architect says that the machines are prepared to live at a low level of survival without humans for energy.
dfi
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: dfi
Ok, so this is what my friend and I got from that movie.
1) Neo is still in the matrix. In fact, he never left the matrix.
2) The "real" world, containing Morpheus and Zion, is merely another layer of the matrix. It is a method of controlling all "the ones" that would come to be, the 1% of anomalies that is bound to occur. This can be seen from the architect's talk with Neo about the 5 previous "the ones", and also the way the architect says he has become efficient at destroying Zion and the human race. The oracle is merely part of that system. She is does what she is suppose to do, which is give purpose to "the one" and lead him to the architect. That is how the oracle knows that Neo is having dreams in the "real" world, even though she is just a program in the system.
Of course the architect is hoping that all "the ones" always pick the choice of saving all of humanity, and thus somehow dooming Zion/show "the ones" that it's futile. However, as the architect and Neo both said, the problem is "choice". While, according to the architect, the 5 previous ones had a generalized feeling towards humanity (wanting to save humanity as a whole), Neo was different because he had a specific person that he was in love with (Trinity), and therefore (as the architect put it), triggering the chemical effects of love that overpowers logic. The architect is able to see many variations and possibilities and has seen that Neo is the small probability that the outer control mechanism (the "real" world) fails to bring "the one" to the "proper/expected" choice of saving humanity.
3) Agent Smith has found a way to go to the layer of the matrix that Neo is now in. Smith is the guy with the beard. He probably survived the attack because the sentinels realized that the bearded man was not human.
4) The asian guy who fought Neo is not a program, but another "the one", 1 of the 5 the architect spoke of. Which explains why the asian guy was glowing, as if enlightened. Also, this explains why he could keep up with Neo. Besides, when Neo asked the asian guy how he knew Neo was "the one", the asian guy responded that he could tell by fighting Neo.
The asian guy can't be a program; otherwise there would never be "the one" (which the architect said there has been 6, including Neo). If a program can fight on par with "the one", then it would be simple for the matrix to kill "the one" by sending multiple "asian guy" programs.
5) The french guy and his wife are possibly both also 2 of the 5 previous "the ones". The french guy is totally jaded; this can be seen in the way he criticizes Neo for following the oracle's order like a simple drone. And I don't think he is a program unless programs like getting blowjobs. This also explains why the french guy can make "special" cakes, and have renegade programs as part of his gang without the sentinels coming to try and delete them. This is also why the matrix has never sent sentinels to get the keymaker: because the keymaker is protected by "the ones". The reason I think the french guy's wife is also "the one" is because she said that she came "together at the beginning" or something along those lines. She was also able to kill one of the renegade programs with ease, and the other renegade program feared her. And she is openly defiant of the french guy, yet the french guy does not punish her. She misses being loved, which no program has shown a propensity towards thus far.
6) The scene with Neo and the counselor at the bottom of Zion, looking at the machinery, seems to foreshadow that somehow the humans do not NEED the machines, yet still depend/want them. Which could actually said to work in reverse for the machines. Maybe the machines don't actually NEED the humans to survive, but depend/want humans. This can be seen in when the architect says that the machines are prepared to live at a low level of survival without humans for energy.
dfi
That's actually pretty good except it seemed like the Architect was implying that the previous Neos were the previous 6 "The One's". It seems like hes explaining the ones before him chose to reload the matrix or something. But then you also look at it and see that theres been 6 previous "the one's" and you see more than 6 on the screens....
Originally posted by: koolhand
So what's the deal with Neo being able to stop the Sentinels as if he was "in" the Matrix when he's
out in the "real" world??
Originally posted by: BD2003
Ok, I'm onto something hardcore. The guys name is merovingian.
http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/merovingian-twyman.htm
A few choice quotes:
"The Frankish King Dagobert II, and the Merovingian dynasty from which he came, have been romantically mythologized in the annals of both local legend and modern mystical pseudo-history, but few have understood the true meaning and origins of their alluring mystery. The mystique that surrounds them includes attributions of saintliness, magical powers (derived from their long red hair), and even divine origin, stemming from their supposed descent from the one and only Jesus Christ."
"They created mankind as a slave race to work on their farms and in their gold mines, among other things. The Sumerian legends are very clear: man was made to "bear the yoke of the gods." Man was separate from the gods, like a domesticated animal, and there was a great cultural taboo amongst the gods against sharing any of their sacred information with humanity, even things such as writing and mathematics. These gods ruled directly over Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Indus Valley, and their rule is recorded in the histories of all three civilizations."
Very importantly:
It was just a rebellion such as this that lead to the downfall of the entire glorious Empire. At some point, it is told, some of the gods broke rank. This is again recorded in just about every culture on Earth that has a written or oral history of legends. Some of the gods, finding human females most appealing, intermarried with them (breaking, of course, a major taboo within their own culture), and creating a race of human/god hybrids. Some of these offspring are described as taking the form of giants, dragons, and sea monsters, while others are said to have born a normal human countenance, with the exception of their shimmering white skin and their extremely long life spans. This is the bloodline that brought us Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, King David, Jesus Christ, and many others, in other words the Grail Bloodline. Legend has it that these beings taught mankind their secrets, including the above-mentioned arts of civilization, as well as a secret spiritual doctrine that only certain elect humans (their blood descendants) would be allowed to possess. They created ritualistic mystery schools and secret societies to pass this doctrine down through the generations.
Why is she helping neo, and why is neo the one with all these powers? My guess...Cause persephone is his mom, and that french dude is his dad! Why else wouldnt he have just killed him on the spot?
Read from the link, and all will make sense...
Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy
if smith can replicate himself why isn't it possible that when he replicatates himself on someone who has been freed from the matrix he can then use their body outside of the matrix also because he was freed from his own constraints when he was destroyed?
and its not another layer of the matrix which he can run amuck in now that he has changed