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By the way, in regards to EMPs and their effects on biological tissue:

Current-day EMP technology relies on microwaves to provide the "knockout punch" that disables the electronics. Microwaves excite water molecules. Humans are 50-70 percent water. Please make the connection yourself.

Low intensities would have little effect due to the relatively short duration of the pulse (less than a millisecond) but a powerful enough discharge or short-range blast would do some serious damage.

- M4H
 

fizmeister

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Originally posted by: Mannkind
Ok, First, the Oracle NEVER says Neo isn't the One. NEVER.
but I'd believe the former first, as there is no references that I could detect to a second matrix.

In addition to hime stopping the sentinals (which could just be a retarded "he's got superhuman capabilities thing"), when Neo is speakign with teh architect, the architect tells Neo he can pick a few men and women to rebuild Zion. First of all, why rebuild Zion? Second of all, how could you just pick "anyone" to rebuilt a city?

 

Linux23

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Apr 9, 2000
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wow this thread has my head spinning.

i really gotta go check out this movie again tomorrow. i do agree that Neo passed out because he realized that the real world wasn't really real (say that 3 times).


Arrrgh, i Love/Hate these type of movies that inspire so many opinions that can be interpreted hundreds of ways.
 

bunnyfubbles

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My first impression of the movie was that it was really really good. I'd tried to not hype myself up like alot of you seemed to be otherwise I would think I'd be reading a lot less "I've been let down" posts in here. Sure it does seem pretty impossible to match the magic of the first Matrix movie because the audience cannot relate to it as easily, Neo is no longer your average Joe realizing his destiny and saving the day, hes a practical god among ants while inside the Matrix and the audience can't really relate to that as much.

Taking that into consideration I decided to relax a bit as I watched the movie, try to enjoy the fight scenes to the fullest extent and I pity those who don't like them just because they look to CGI of which they don't because I bet you couldn't tell a CGI Smith next to the real smith in the fight scene with 100 smiths. the only reason it looked fake was because there were so many Smiths that looked completely identical and Neo was doing impossible feats, put those two together and our mind cannot relate such a thing as being completely possible. Had they made 99.9% perfect clones of Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith) and had all 100 fight right infront of you you wouldn't think that it looked real either, especially if they were moving faster and jumping higher than humanly possible.

Reloaded was better in the sense that instead of all rising action with a conclusion towards the end that Neo actually had a chance and there was one particuarly decent fight after the Morpheous vs Neo duel, Reloaded had a lot more action that was pretty damn intense. Although the first Matrix was a little bit better because while Neo was incredibly good before he became god-like, the fight scenes were much more intense in that we didn't know if Neo would be able to pull it off. In Reloaded you almost become dissapointed when you realize that the guys he is fighting have no chance of winning, there is hardly any suspence, although the scene where he blocked that huge blade with his hand, THAT was hilarious. Having such a powerful hero is not bad, but they didn't have him do the "impossible" enough to not take his abilities for granted.

My opinion on the matter? I believe there is one Matrix and when Smith was able to take the phone back to the "real world" was when I first started to really think. Did he just seriously F that guy up or did he completely reprogram the guy's mind? Finally towards the end of the movie when Neo first realized that something was different and he was able to stop the sentinals was when I'd first truly toyed with the idea that the "real world" and Zion was all still part of the Matrix and that Smith was able to go into the "real world" because of that just as Neo was able to stop the Sentinals. As far as Neo going into a coma I'm not quite sure what happened, perhaps the shock that everyone may infact still be plugged into the Matrix and that noone is free could have been too much for him to contemplate at the time or perhaps because he realized that both "worlds" are of the same he went back into the "Matrix" without having to "plug into it" because they are already in it.

If anything Revolutions has potential to be a major doozie and no matter what I think it will at very least be a successfully entertaining movie. The movies make me think too much, and for that the Wachowskis are evil That and they make us wait, even if 6 months isn't all that long of a time I want to see Revolutions now!
 

RyanM

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I can't seem to grasp why everyone is having such a hard time figuring out the "Smith in the real world" thing.

One of the points that the movie is making is that our minds are turing compatible - They can be interfaced with computers, and a mind can exist inside a computer just as easily as it can exist inside of a brain.

As such, once Smith infected a rebel with his own mind, he was able to escape into the person's brain whom he'd infected.

This would be the case regardless of whether or not the real world is actually real or not.
 

Gooberlx2

Lifer
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I'm not sure any one has posted about this (doubt it), but I have one small technical gripe.

Xion (or however it's spelled) should have had a more racially homogenized population, 'cause given only 23 and 16 and over so many generations, that's how it would work. Yeah, like I said, small gripe about a technicality. But Xion's dance party wouldn't have been half as cool.

Great movie, BTW. There could have been less cheese in the ending, what with the music and "to be concluded" and all, but great movie nontheless.
 

Paunchy

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I skipped to the end of this after reading up the fourth page of posts, so sorry if someone has already posted this... I was browsing a few fansites about a week ago and came across one that supposedly had "inside news" regarding the next installment. I don't know if it's b.s. or not, but the website claimed that Trinity will be revealed to be an agent, and that a character even stronger than Neo is introduced. Now, relating it to what we saw in the second movie, can anyone reason out how those two things could possibly happen, or is too far fetched to be possible?
 

RyanM

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Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
I'm not sure any one has posted about this (doubt it), but I have one small technical gripe.

Xion (or however it's spelled) should have had a more racially homogenized population, 'cause given only 23 and 16 and over so many generations, that's how it would work. Yeah, like I said, small gripe about a technicality. But Xion's dance party wouldn't have been half as cool.

Great movie, BTW. There could have been less cheese in the ending, what with the music and "to be concluded" and all, but great movie nontheless.

Actually, Zion's racial makeup was pretty accuarate. There are something like 7 different combinations of color chromosomes you can get, or something like that. Believe it or not, two people who possess the chromosomes for the darkest shade of brown skin CAN have a white baby. So even if, by some fluke, everyone become homogenized at one point, it'd quickly break down, because they'd have lighter and darker skinned children.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
My first impression of the movie was that it was really really good. I'd tried to not hype myself up like alot of you seemed to be otherwise I would think I'd be reading a lot less "I've been let down" posts in here. Sure it does seem pretty impossible to match the magic of the first Matrix movie because the audience cannot relate to it as easily, Neo is no longer your average Joe realizing his destiny and saving the day, hes a practical god among ants while inside the Matrix and the audience can't really relate to that as much.

Taking that into consideration I decided to relax a bit as I watched the movie, try to enjoy the fight scenes to the fullest extent and I pity those who don't like them just because they look to CGI of which they don't because I bet you couldn't tell a CGI Smith next to the real smith in the fight scene with 100 smiths. the only reason it looked fake was because there were so many Smiths that looked completely identical and Neo was doing impossible feats, put those two together and our mind cannot relate such a thing as being completely possible. Had they made 99.9% perfect clones of Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith) and had all 100 fight right infront of you you wouldn't think that it looked real either, especially if they were moving faster and jumping higher than humanly possible.

Reloaded was better in the sense that instead of all rising action with a conclusion towards the end that Neo actually had a chance and there was one particuarly decent fight after the Morpheous vs Neo duel, Reloaded had a lot more action that was pretty damn intense. Although the first Matrix was a little bit better because while Neo was incredibly good before he became god-like, the fight scenes were much more intense in that we didn't know if Neo would be able to pull it off. In Reloaded you almost become dissapointed when you realize that the guys he is fighting have no chance of winning, there is hardly any suspence, although the scene where he blocked that huge blade with his hand, THAT was hilarious. Having such a powerful hero is not bad, but they didn't have him do the "impossible" enough to not take his abilities for granted.

My opinion on the matter? I believe there is one Matrix and when Smith was able to take the phone back to the "real world" was when I first started to really think. Did he just seriously F that guy up or did he completely reprogram the guy's mind? Finally towards the end of the movie when Neo first realized that something was different and he was able to stop the sentinals was when I'd first truly toyed with the idea that the "real world" and Zion was all still part of the Matrix and that Smith was able to go into the "real world" because of that just as Neo was able to stop the Sentinals. As far as Neo going into a coma I'm not quite sure what happened, perhaps the shock that everyone may infact still be plugged into the Matrix and that noone is free could have been too much for him to contemplate at the time or perhaps because he realized that both "worlds" are of the same he went back into the "Matrix" without having to "plug into it" because they are already in it.

If anything Revolutions has potential to be a major doozie and no matter what I think it will at very least be a successfully entertaining movie. The movies make me think too much, and for that the Wachowskis are evil That and they make us wait, even if 6 months isn't all that long of a time I want to see Revolutions now!

Thats a mouthful. I saw it and liked it alot.

 

ElFenix

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Mar 20, 2000
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after seeing it for the second time i have to say the movie flowed by much quicker and the rave scene was of the appropriate length.

and the twins are even more fukin' cool
 

atsang

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Dec 21, 2000
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Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
As far as Neo going into a coma I'm not quite sure what happened, perhaps the shock that everyone may infact still be plugged into the Matrix and that noone is free could have been too much for him to contemplate at the time or perhaps because he realized that both "worlds" are of the same he went back into the "Matrix" without having to "plug into it" because they are already in it.

About the coma: I bet Neo was the very first person to ever try to break out of this second matrix. I bet there was a firewall or security software which is the real safeguard in preventing someone from breaking out into the true reality. This security measure must be programmed to cause the violator to go into shock/coma.
 

Glitchny

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Originally posted by: atsang
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
As far as Neo going into a coma I'm not quite sure what happened, perhaps the shock that everyone may infact still be plugged into the Matrix and that noone is free could have been too much for him to contemplate at the time or perhaps because he realized that both "worlds" are of the same he went back into the "Matrix" without having to "plug into it" because they are already in it.

About the coma: I bet Neo was the very first person to ever try to break out of this second matrix. I bet there was a firewall or security software which is the real safeguard in preventing someone from breaking out into the true reality. This security measure must be programmed to cause the violator to go into shock/coma.

we dont even know if it is a second matrix, remember when smith told neo that part of him was in neo and part of neo was in him when they meet for the second time? well maybe neo just realized that part of him, the part that was agent smith, was still active in the matrix somehow, or still had a connection to the machines. That way he was able to stop the sentinals by using that part of himself.. If you stayed after the credits it shows the trailer for the next movie, and shows neo fighting smith in the end and there are thousands of smiths. Trinity seems to be fighting for them as well and it doesnt seem to say anything about a second matrix... i think a matrix within the matrix would be too much to cover in just one more movie
 

ElFenix

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i think a second outer matrix would be far too obvious
 

TheShiz

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Originally posted by: MachFive
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
I'm not sure any one has posted about this (doubt it), but I have one small technical gripe.

Xion (or however it's spelled) should have had a more racially homogenized population, 'cause given only 23 and 16 and over so many generations, that's how it would work. Yeah, like I said, small gripe about a technicality. But Xion's dance party wouldn't have been half as cool.

Great movie, BTW. There could have been less cheese in the ending, what with the music and "to be concluded" and all, but great movie nontheless.

Actually, Zion's racial makeup was pretty accuarate. There are something like 7 different combinations of color chromosomes you can get, or something like that. Believe it or not, two people who possess the chromosomes for the darkest shade of brown skin CAN have a white baby. So even if, by some fluke, everyone become homogenized at one point, it'd quickly break down, because they'd have lighter and darker skinned children.

i don't know where you got this info but it sounds pretty whacked to me. It is really really rare that two dark shaded people have a white baby or anything close to that, do you see really white people who have a really dark kid? nope.
 

0roo0roo

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Sep 21, 2002
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Taking that into consideration I decided to relax a bit as I watched the movie, try to enjoy the fight scenes to the fullest extent and I pity those who don't like them just because they look to CGI of which they don't because I bet you couldn't tell a CGI Smith next to the real smith in the fight scene with 100 smiths. the only reason it looked fake was because there were so many Smiths that looked completely identical and Neo was doing impossible feats, put those two together and our mind cannot relate such a thing as being completely possible. Had they made 99.9% perfect clones of Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith) and had all 100 fight right infront of you you wouldn't think that it looked real either, especially if they were moving faster and jumping higher than humanly possible.


i totally agree.
 

Superdoopercooper

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Jan 15, 2001
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Originally posted by: gwlam12
one reason i didnt like it was because of the fight scenes. i mean, neo will not die. he is practically invincible. so fight scenes got boring for me.

Well... if Neo could destroy Agent Smith in the first movie, why didn't he do anything like that again in this one? I think someone asked this before, and nobody answered it?!
 

Jmmsbnd007

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
By the way, in regards to EMPs and their effects on biological tissue:

Current-day EMP technology relies on microwaves to provide the "knockout punch" that disables the electronics. Microwaves excite water molecules. Humans are 50-70 percent water. Please make the connection yourself.

Low intensities would have little effect due to the relatively short duration of the pulse (less than a millisecond) but a powerful enough discharge or short-range blast would do some serious damage.

- M4H
Yet Trinity remains standing.
 

C'DaleRider

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My take on the movie......and I'm not getting into the metaphysical aspect of it.

It was alright, but suffers from the same "bridge" movie syndrome other trilogies have suffered.....as seen in the second Star Wars movie and the second back to theFuture movie. Both of those were not as good as the first or third in the series.

Why? The Bridge, or second, attempts to answer a few questions but pose many more in its attempt to set up the third and dramatic conclusion.

Standing alone, it was underwhelming compared to the first.

As for some questions, why didn't the twins turn themselves to the "ghosts" when their Caddy SUV flipped? They seemed to be able to do that whenever they wanted......so why not when the vehicle turned over? They sure did it at a drop of a hat any other time. The only thing I can figure is "artistic license".....why else have them get killed that way? Doesn't make much sense.

One single survivor of Zion's destruction.......and no one is suspicious? Why not?

Oh well, as a bridge to the "dramatic" conclusion to the trilogy, I guess it was decent. But, with all the hype surrounding the release, it suffers from it........and from its position in the trilogy..............the bridge position, which is in many cases the proverbial "kiss of death", or "kiss of underachievement."

 

slydecix

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Originally posted by: C'DaleRider
My take on the movie......and I'm not getting into the metaphysical aspect of it.

It was alright, but suffers from the same "bridge" movie syndrome other trilogies have suffered.....as seen in the second Star Wars movie and the second back to theFuture movie. Both of those were not as good as the first or third in the series.
IMHO, BTTF 3 was the worst one and 2nd Star Wars was the best one

As for some questions, why didn't the twins turn themselves to the "ghosts" when their Caddy SUV flipped? They seemed to be able to do that whenever they wanted......so why not when the vehicle turned over? They sure did it at a drop of a hat any other time. The only thing I can figure is "artistic license".....why else have them get killed that way? Doesn't make much sense.
They DID. When the Caddy flipped and exploded, you saw them get launched out of the explosion (in ghost form)

One single survivor of Zion's destruction.......and no one is suspicious? Why not?
It wasn't Zion's destruction- it was just a counter-attack that went wrong. The machines haven't reached Zion yet!
 

MC Webster

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Hey guys, this was posted on the official Matrix website today:

"THE MATRIX: RELOADED covers a lot of ground. The future brings sections on visual effects, the ships, the creatures, the stunts, and much more. All things evolve. For those that understand this, perhaps the following will be understood.

0xA3B1A428

For the above hex, you will need a fairly fast computer and graphics card. An appreciation of the Neb is not a prerequisite (but it helps)."

What does this mean? What does that code mean? Also, the A3B1 part in italics is hidden on the website, and can only be seen when the text is highlighted. Why are they trying to hide that?
 

Ziptar

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Originally posted by: atsang


About the coma: I bet Neo was the very first person to ever try to break out of this second matrix. I bet there was a firewall or security software which is the real safeguard in preventing someone from breaking out into the true reality. This security measure must be programmed to cause the violator to go into shock/coma.


He is not in a comma.. He has gone 802.11b he is wireless.. and the ZionSmith guy is also.. so where have they gone?? into the matrix?? Elsewhere??

 

Gand1

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So who else here thought the Oracles protector was a Firewall!?

Sorry, that's the first thing that poped up in my mind.

Anyone else find it coincidental at the end of the movie, the song that came on from Rage against the Machine started out with, "What U see, what u see, BULLSH!T!".

I know everyone around me, when the movie ended, Said "Oh, this is bulsh!t"

Just a coincidence!
 

Atlantean

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I saw it last night... damn was it ever cool, I think it is gonna make a lot of money... can't wait for the next one.
 

guyver01

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I believe Neo is a program needed to 'reload' the Matrix once things get crazy. My theory is that Zion and all the people who live there are still inside the Matrix, they are just left to believe they escaped because they are part of that percentage who can't accept the Matrix for what it is. So the machines designed another layer to the Matrix, inserted a new program called 'The One' who gathers all these people together, then ends up starting the process over. So you've basically got a Matrix within a Matrix.

I could naturally be way off, but the two things that stick out in my mind from Reloaded that lead me down this path of reasoning are
(1) Smith 'infecting' a rebel and then hitching a ride back to the 'real' world to sabotage the humans' counterattack on the Sentinels
(2) Neo 'feeling' the Sentinels and then his ability to stop them with a thought.


While in the area of the Architect, he stated that Neo was the 6-th "one" and that Neo could take 7 males and 16 females to rebuild zion. In the first Matrix, Morpheous said that in the beginning there was a human who freed the first of them.... so it definitely sounded like a 'loop' as the Architect stated.

Free 7/16... and it would take generations to create the thousands we saw... the perfect control.

 

guyver01

Lifer
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Originally posted by: MC Webster
Hey guys, this was posted on the official Matrix website today:

"THE MATRIX: RELOADED covers a lot of ground. The future brings sections on visual effects, the ships, the creatures, the stunts, and much more. All things evolve. For those that understand this, perhaps the following will be understood.

0xA3B1A428

For the above hex, you will need a fairly fast computer and graphics card. An appreciation of the Neb is not a prerequisite (but it helps)."

What does this mean? What does that code mean? Also, the A3B1 part in italics is hidden on the website, and can only be seen when the text is highlighted. Why are they trying to hide that?


looks like it's a "hack code" for the ENTER THE MATRIX video game.

 
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