*** OFFICIAL MATRIX RELOADED AFTERMATH THREAD *** spoilers

[BigToquex]

One thing that I am really not understanding is the scene with the Oracle.

Neo: Do you already know if I'm going to take it?
The Oracle: Wouldn't be much of an Oracle if I didn't.
Neo: But if you already know, how can I make a choice?
The Oracle: Because you didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it. You're here to try to understand why you made it.

I don't get what is meant by this.

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Neo: The machine mainframe?
The Oracle: Yes. Where you must go. Where the path of The One ends. You've seen it, in your dreams, haven't you? The door made of light?
Neo: [nods]
The Oracle: What happens when you go through the door?
Neo: I see Trinity, and something happens, something bad. She starts to fall, and then I wake up.
The Oracle: Do you see her die?
Neo: No.
The Oracle: You have the sight now, Neo. You are looking at the world without time.
Neo: Then why can't I see what happens to her?
The Oracle: We can never see past the choices we don't understand.
Neo: Are you saying I have to choose whether Trinity lives or dies?
The Oracle: No. You've already made the choice, now you have to understand it.

So I believe that the Oracle is supposed to guide "The One" to the Architect. If the Oracle knows what Neo is going to choose, she knows that he has already decided to try to save Trinity and not return to the source like he is supposed to. How could the machines knowingly let him make this choice if they know it will destroy everything they need to survive?

I'm starting to think that the Matrix has absolutely nothing to do with controlling humans or using them for power. I'm starting to believe that maybe the machines are trying to understand everything about how they came to be. Humans have always searched for the answer as to the origins of the universe and how humans came to be. With the Matrix, the machines are learning everything there is to know about what humanity is and learning about how their race was created.

 

[alkemyst]

BigToque:

The oracle's purpose is to make sure Neo gets to the Architect...I believe the Architect confirmed that also.

The way I am interpreting this is this is the 5th or 6th run of a 'program' in which Neo is merely code or possible a hybrid of man and machine. Just like a programmer knows what the code will do before it is run, Neo is now learning a hieghtened awareness of this and with the scene in the Architect broke out of the loop he has been in in the past iterations.

The first Neo or so did not have the power of choice and I believe that drove him mad (maybe he was Mervogian)...

The premise I believe is Neo carries their beta code and learns the errors and needs and then uploads it back into the mainframe for a new compile...then a new improved Neo is born. the people wiped out and a new civilization is started (I believe all books if they have them are destroyed so there is no memory of the past) and it's repeated.

I believe the computers / machines are attempting to find a method to get the humans to cooperate without resistance so they can get better output from them as their batteries.

 

[foxkm]

Dictation of the ?Architect and Neo?
From the Matrix Reloaded, 2003.

Hello Neo.

NEO: And who are you.

I am the architect. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions and though the process has altered your conscious, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo some of the answers you will understand and some you will not. Concurrently while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize that it is the most irrelevant.

NEO: Why am I here?

Your life is the sum of the remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from an otherwise harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden of acidulously appoint it is not expected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexpertly, here.

NEO: You haven't answered my question.

Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others. The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.

NEO: There are either 2 explanations: Either no one told me, or no one knows.

Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

NEO: Choice. The problem is choice.

The first matrix I designed what quite naturally perfect. It was a work of art. Flawless, sublime, a triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability doom is apparent to me know as consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it. Based on your history, to more accurately reflect the very and grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another. An intuitive program initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

NEO: The Oracle.

Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution by nearly 99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice. Even if they were only aware of the choice at any unconscious level. While this answer functioned, It was obviously fundamentally flawed. Thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, but if left unchecked, might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refuse the program, while a minority if left unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

NEO: This is about Zion.

You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

NEO: Bullshit.
Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But rest assured, this will be the 6th time we have destroyed it. And we have become exceeding efficient at it. The function of the one is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program, after which, you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals 16 female and 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in cataclysmic system crashes kill everyone connected to the matrix. Which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

NEO: You won't let it happen. You can't. You need human beings to survive.

There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However the relevant issue is whether you are prepared to accept the responsibility of every human being in this world. It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species. Facilitating the one. While the others experienced this in a more general way, your experience is a far more specific. Vis-à-vis love.

NEO: Trinity.

Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

NEO: No.

Which brings us to at last to the moment of truth where in the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed at both beginning and end. There are 2 doors. The door on the right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion, while the door to your left leads back to the Matrix, to her and the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do, don't we. Already I can see the chain reaction. The chemical precursors, which signal the onset of an emotion. Designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion, which is blinding you from the simple and obvious truth: She IS going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Hope is it the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strengths, and your greatest weakness.

NEO: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meat again.

We Wont.

 

[foxkm]

Here is something: Trinity has to be the mother of the Matrix, since the oricle is NOT as stated by the Architect:

Architect. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
NEO: The Oracle.
Architect: Please... As I was saying, she stumbled...........

He says please in a "hell no" expression on his face.

The only other main woman in the movie is Trinity. She has to be the mother of the Matrix.

Just a thought.

 

[BigToquex]

Originally posted by: foxkm
Here is something: Trinity has to be the mother of the Matrix, since the oricle is NOT as stated by the Architect:

Architect. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
NEO: The Oracle.
Architect: Please... As I was saying, she stumbled...........

He says please in a "hell no" expression on his face.

The only other main woman in the movie is Trinity. She has to be the mother of the Matrix.

Just a thought.

I think the way the Architect says "Please... As I was saying, she stumbled" was meant more as a "Please... she is a computer program, not some magical entity that can see the future.

I guess another example could be someone talking about Jesus being Gods son. Then you getting annoyed and saying "Oh geez Jesus is just a human and there is nothing really special about him"

It's that kind of thing.

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: foxkm
Here is something: Trinity has to be the mother of the Matrix, since the oricle is NOT as stated by the Architect:

Architect. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
NEO: The Oracle.
Architect: Please... As I was saying, she stumbled...........

He says please in a "hell no" expression on his face.

The only other main woman in the movie is Trinity. She has to be the mother of the Matrix.

Just a thought.

rofl. trinity HAS to be the mother of the matrix? i'm sorry, but i don't think i've ever heard a more idiotic interpretation.


=]

 

[GtPrOjEcTX]

I'm not sure if its been posted before but this person has quite a well developed interpretation of the matrix world. I agree with most of it.

 

[whateverdude]

interesting read, thanks for the link

 

[imported_Papi]

I'm sitting here, my S/O is a huge Matrix fan, and he's watching part one for the billionth time.

We just noticed something.

Remember in part two, where he meets up with that guy who's been watching him on a bunch of TV screens?

Well they show it in part one.

It's when Neo is being interrogated by Mr. Smith. they briefly show a scene with just a bunch of TV screens. So I'm wondering if part one has more hidden shots that make the rest of it make more sense...

 

[MegaloManiaK]

Originally posted by: Vickas
****New addition to my theory****

Where I previously mentioned the possibility of a different choice by the One changing the fate of Zion and the real world.

Maybe the machines will stop drilling because they realize the One did not make the choice they hoped, as the others before him did, and so they would have to find another person (ie Bane/Smith) to restart Zion after it is destroyed.

Now it is true that this would normally only delay the fate of Zion. Then again, Smith did say he was "free" from the Matrix (now more so in human form as Bane). Maybe he would not choose to help the other machines. It does not appear that he sides with them anymore. He appears to be his own force now.

Whether Smith decides to go with his base programming and help the machines destroy and restart Zion, or make a new choice and go with the humans, only Revolutions can tell.

Of course, this is all just a theory, Smith may not even enter into that part of the equation. It is rather obvious that he is still a major character, and not just a proxy for extremely cool-though somewhat less than Cinematic quality rendering-fight scenes.

Ok im a little late, but better late than never. Just finished reloaded myself.

At the begining the agents said something along the lines of "that went as expected, just like before... Well not exactly" and then one of them grins like thats a good thing. (note where the heck is it neo goes? was this explained? he flew to some apartment and says "where are you" what the heck?)

Anyways, the agents are coaxing neo along and they know of the previous incarnations of the one. Ok, the next thought is why is smith trying to kill neo? Anyone else think its odd that he persists now that he is not an agent?

My thought is that Smith is now freed from his orginal program and wants something (maby control of the matrix or really just to exist) and he knows that neo will cause the matrix to be reloaded, therefore he is trying to prevent neo from destroying the current matrix (in effect agent smith himself). That would explain why he doesn't cooperate with the other agents.

If not then why does smith want to kill neo, if he isn't following program then whats his motivation?

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: MegaloManiaK

Originally posted by: Vickas
****New addition to my theory****

Where I previously mentioned the possibility of a different choice by the One changing the fate of Zion and the real world.

Maybe the machines will stop drilling because they realize the One did not make the choice they hoped, as the others before him did, and so they would have to find another person (ie Bane/Smith) to restart Zion after it is destroyed.

Now it is true that this would normally only delay the fate of Zion. Then again, Smith did say he was "free" from the Matrix (now more so in human form as Bane). Maybe he would not choose to help the other machines. It does not appear that he sides with them anymore. He appears to be his own force now.

Whether Smith decides to go with his base programming and help the machines destroy and restart Zion, or make a new choice and go with the humans, only Revolutions can tell.

Of course, this is all just a theory, Smith may not even enter into that part of the equation. It is rather obvious that he is still a major character, and not just a proxy for extremely cool-though somewhat less than Cinematic quality rendering-fight scenes.

Ok im a little late, but better late than never. Just finished reloaded myself.

At the begining the agents said something along the lines of "that went as expected, just like before... Well not exactly" and then one of them grins like thats a good thing. (note where the heck is it neo goes? was this explained? he flew to some apartment and says "where are you" what the heck?)

Anyways, the agents are coaxing neo along and they know of the previous incarnations of the one. Ok, the next thought is why is smith trying to kill neo? Anyone else think its odd that he persists now that he is not an agent?

My thought is that Smith is now freed from his orginal program and wants something (maby control of the matrix or really just to exist) and he knows that neo will cause the matrix to be reloaded, therefore he is trying to prevent neo from destroying the current matrix (in effect agent smith himself). That would explain why he doesn't cooperate with the other agents.

If not then why does smith want to kill neo, if he isn't following program then whats his motivation?

well as for him flying to that apt...it was the oracle's original hideout in part 1..........and neo was looking for her....

as for the rest of ur questions...probably be answered in part 3

 

[conjur]

This came in the mail today!

Gonna watch them both tonight and see how things mesh

 

[eliteorange]

NEO is not the one... wohahahaha

 

[Brutuskend]

Well I finally bought it and watched it yesterday.

Better late than never!

 

[Linux23]

i watched the DVD twice this week. it keeps getting clearer and clearer to me.

 

[johneetrash]

Originally posted by: yayo
I'm sitting here, my S/O is a huge Matrix fan, and he's watching part one for the billionth time.

We just noticed something.

Remember in part two, where he meets up with that guy who's been watching him on a bunch of TV screens?

Well they show it in part one.

It's when Neo is being interrogated by Mr. Smith. they briefly show a scene with just a bunch of TV screens. So I'm wondering if part one has more hidden shots that make the rest of it make more sense...

wow good job i didnt notice that til now

 

[cliftonite]

Mine should be here anyday now

 

[cliftonite]

Mine should be here anyday now