**Official** Matrix Revolutions Thread **w/ SPOILERS**

[LiQiCE]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

To all those who haven't seen it, I recommend you go see it in theaters, you won't regret it as long as you don't go in expecting to hate it, like some people in this thread.

Hey I didn't expect to go into it hating it ... I expected a good movie that would help to explain things like why the heck Neo can kill the sentinels, and a fairly good conclusion.

I felt the action sequences were what was left over from Reloaded, there was action but the scenes weren't as good as what they had in the first or second ... The first movie had some pretty cool new stuff like bullet time and some pretty crazy fighting scenes. The second movie did some new stuff like they did with the highway chase ... I don't think there was anything special about the third one ... It had action, but it wasn't anything "revolutionary" like the movie name suggests... I guess you can't expect something new with every movie, but thats what I expected out of the third one considering there was something new in the first and second that no other movie had really done before.

Plot wise, I just think the conclusion wasn't enough .. you build up the entire 2nd and 3rd movie for what I feel is more uncertainty and the possibility of Neo coming back which suggests to me that they want to leave the possibility open for a 4th movie.

Maybe its not an awful movie, but its the worst of the three imho...

Time to watch Smallville, hopefully it won't disappoint

 

[whoiswes]

before i begin, i am a die-hard fan of the matrix franchise - i will buy the boxed set, probably get the full script/storyboard book that they're sure to release (already have 'the art of the matrix'), but i was disappointed (most of all, anyway) by the storybook, hollywood ending that was apparently tacked on at the last minute.

if you'll remember the first movie, morpheus babbled on and on about the destruction of the matrix and freeing our people, and it DIDN'T GET DESTROYED IN THE END. THE WAR ISN'T OVER, IT'S JUST HALFTIME, DAMMIT!!!!!! sure, those that wanna leave can, but all the machines need to do is decide they are sick of humans again and zion will be history. there is no peace, just a hiatus to the fighting...to quote the first movie - "as long as the matrix exists, the human race will never be free." it still exists, so the entire trilogy was about getting back to square one. did they tell one hell of a story along the way? yes. did they wrap that story up with an ending that seemed to fit the rest of the movies? no.

not yelling at any of you, just venting my anger and frustration over the Wachowski's apparent lack of a collective backbone to stand up and finish what they started. Instead, it looks as though they've sold out to hollywood and the mindless asshats that think moviegoers are total sheep and too stupid to realize they've just been had.

the beginning and end of the movie ruined it for me, and not a single answer was put forth to quench any of the questions that were raised in reloaded. that, and several key characters (merovingian and the architect) seemed to have absolutely nothing to do except dress the screen and spout off some crap...where is the damn plot, larry/andy???

don't get me wrong - the entire middle of the movie was awesome (all of the zion scenes were incredible) but the ending seemed to come from nowhere....it was like they were sitting around and just got tired of writing and said we'll have the sunrise, put some shiatty child actor in to be cute, and hope nobody notices how much we left unsaid.

sorry to rant, but this was always touted as a trilogy - now we'll have 4 and 5 and it will be the star wars franchise - all we need is jar-jar and some more bad child actors.

worth the $8? yeah.

worth waiting four years for? no on your life.

w

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: onetwo3
I seriously think it would have been great if at the very end of the movie Neo wakes up at the computer and none of it ever happened. I enjoyed the first two and I expected the third to effectively connect everything in an awesome way, but it's not as if the movie was that bad... I enjoyed watching it for the aspect of actually watching a movie.

That would have left every single person being completely pissed off.

not to mention riot and murder at the W Bros and hollywood studios

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: whoiswes
before i begin, i am a die-hard fan of the matrix franchise - i will buy the boxed set, probably get the full script/storyboard book that they're sure to release (already have 'the art of the matrix'), but i was disappointed (most of all, anyway) by the storybook, hollywood ending that was apparently tacked on at the last minute.

if you'll remember the first movie, morpheus babbled on and on about the destruction of the matrix and freeing our people, and it DIDN'T GET DESTROYED IN THE END. THE WAR ISN'T OVER, IT'S JUST HALFTIME, DAMMIT!!!!!! sure, those that wanna leave can, but all the machines need to do is decide they are sick of humans again and zion will be history. there is no peace, just a hiatus to the fighting...to quote the first movie - "as long as the matrix exists, the human race will never be free." it still exists, so the entire trilogy was about getting back to square one. did they tell one hell of a story along the way? yes. did they wrap that story up with an ending that seemed to fit the rest of the movies? no.

not yelling at any of you, just venting my anger and frustration over the Wachowski's apparent lack of a collective backbone to stand up and finish what they started. Instead, it looks as though they've sold out to hollywood and the mindless asshats that think moviegoers are total sheep and too stupid to realize they've just been had.

the beginning and end of the movie ruined it for me, and not a single answer was put forth to quench any of the questions that were raised in reloaded. that, and several key characters (merovingian and the architect) seemed to have absolutely nothing to do except dress the screen and spout off some crap...where is the damn plot, larry/andy???

don't get me wrong - the entire middle of the movie was awesome (all of the zion scenes were incredible) but the ending seemed to come from nowhere....it was like they were sitting around and just got tired of writing and said we'll have the sunrise, put some shiatty child actor in to be cute, and hope nobody notices how much we left unsaid.

sorry to rant, but this was always touted as a trilogy - now we'll have 4 and 5 and it will be the star wars franchise - all we need is jar-jar and some more bad child actors.

worth the $8? yeah.

worth waiting four years for? no on your life.

w

that's where i HAVE to disagree with you. ANY ENDING that would have been the COMPLETE destruction of the MATRIX would have been TOO contrived. Unless Neo turns out to have the POWER of EVERY super hero EVER conceived and EVERY member of Zion turned out to have Superman like powers there is NO possible way that Zion could have destroyed the machine world.

At the end of the Star Wars trilogy, you don't remember the REBELS destroying the Empire do you? it was just the BEGINNING of the struggle, why should Matrix be any different?

will there be another ANOMALY? perhaps, will it be Neo? who knows. What was Neo? that wasn't completely defined in this movie and i can live with that. was the physical body of Keanu Reeves character the whole of NEO?? Or was that just a shell. was Neo actually a Part of the souce code, like the ETERNAL warrior type thing, to appear again when the matrix is threatened?

there are tons of questions, yes.

this WAS not typical hollywood, typical hollywood would have given us a tangible evil, something to be destroyed or overcome. Matrix doesn't relaly do that.

 

[ClownBear]

Originally posted by: yayo
a matrix 4?

thats over kill

Silver (The Producer) said there won't be any more Matrix movies. Just comics and anime to tell side stories.

Yeah, I believe Silver! If that was the case, then he wouldn't have pushed for Matrix 2 & 3. The Studio will say "Joel, buddy, lets make another one. it made good numbers." Joel Silver will say OK. "New cast! Let's make a prequel!"


..........BTW, the theories bandied about in the chat boards were MUCH BETTER than what the Wachaowski bros. patched together...........It definitely shows that there are some potentially GREAT WRITERS and IDEA men on the boards. LETS SEE YOU GUYS WRITE MOVIES! You have the right stuff.

 

[whoiswes]

this WAS not typical hollywood, typical hollywood would have given us a tangible evil, something to be destroyed or overcome. Matrix doesn't relaly do that.

i'll give you that....i needed to vent my frustration and i know i overlooked a few things and you brought up a good point that i missed.

maybe it was just how 'quickly' things ended - i left wanting more, to know more, to have more closure on things...like i said before, the ending just felt 'tacked on'.

maybe after i see it a few more times i'll feel better about the way it ended. but we didn't get to understand the TRUE purpose of the kid (animatrix reveals much more about him than M2 and M3 do), we didn't get to understand the merovingian better, we didn't get to understand the persephone/neo kiss and it's signifcance.....i just felt as though they cut out significant parts of the story to make way for more action (which was great, although the neo/smith fight wasn't that great).

i'm cautiously optimistic that time and repeated viewings will answer some of the questions i have, but i doubt it. the happy-go-lucky sunshiney day ending was the last straw for me.



on a side note, i'm REALLY looking forward to ROTK now....

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: whoiswes

this WAS not typical hollywood, typical hollywood would have given us a tangible evil, something to be destroyed or overcome. Matrix doesn't relaly do that.

i'll give you that....i needed to vent my frustration and i know i overlooked a few things and you brought up a good point that i missed.

maybe it was just how 'quickly' things ended - i left wanting more, to know more, to have more closure on things...like i said before, the ending just felt 'tacked on'.

maybe after i see it a few more times i'll feel better about the way it ended. but we didn't get to understand the TRUE purpose of the kid (animatrix reveals much more about him than M2 and M3 do), we didn't get to understand the merovingian better, we didn't get to understand the persephone/neo kiss and it's signifcance.....i just felt as though they cut out significant parts of the story to make way for more action (which was great, although the neo/smith fight wasn't that great).

i'm cautiously optimistic that time and repeated viewings will answer some of the questions i have, but i doubt it. the happy-go-lucky sunshiney day ending was the last straw for me.



on a side note, i'm REALLY looking forward to ROTK now....

i can understand wanting more, but i'm not sure that saying how bad the film was is the exact emotion i felt from that.

for me, it gives me more to look forward too. mb they do another film, or a tv series, or a couple of animated films.

whatever it will be interesting.

leaving those things open makes sense economically. now a world can be built around what is essentially just one story told.

any time you tell a story, there are things that have to be left out for the sake of that one story.

 

[Ziptar]

Originally posted by: whoiswes
i was disappointed (most of all, anyway) by the storybook, hollywood ending that was apparently tacked on at the last minute.

the ending seemed to come from nowhere....it was like they were sitting around and just got tired of writing and said we'll have the sunrise, put some shiatty child actor in to be cute, and hope nobody notices how much we left unsaid.

Instead, it looks as though they've sold out to hollywood and the mindless asshats that think moviegoers are total sheep and too stupid to realize they've just been had.

worth waiting four years for? no on your life.

Originally posted by: whoiswes

like i said before, the ending just felt 'tacked on'.

the happy-go-lucky sunshiney day ending was the last straw for me.

I agree 100%.. exactly what I was getting at earlirer. The craptastic ending was so bad as to ruin and undo the whole trilogy...

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: Ziptar

Originally posted by: DannyBoy

Ill keep your post in mind when i see it...

p.s. You had me on the floor in stitches reading your post.... :beer:

Post your thoughts here or send me a PM... I like to know if you come away feeling as pissed, cheated, and screwed as I did..

You paid $8 for a movie. You neither got screwed or cheated, you can be pissed all you want, but stop being such fvcking stickler nerd.

 

[ClownBear]

FWIW Theory:

NEO was a Messiah.

Morpheus even thought that Neo was a reincarnation in the first movie........Thus, a Budda Dalai Lama reference that fits into this whole religious subtext.

Neo's ability to destroy Sentinels falls in line with a Messiah's ability to use powers.

The whole story seems very religious to me. A story of a God born in modern time.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: ClownBear
FWIW Theory:

NEO was a Messiah.

Morpheus even thought that Neo was a reincarnation in the first movie........Thus, a Budda Dalai Lama reference that fits into this whole religious subtext.

Neo's ability to destroy Sentinels falls in line with a Messiah's ability to use powers.

The whole story seems very religious to me. A story of a God born in modern time.

I see Neo more as the eternal Warrior than a Messiah. even tho the words Messiah and Savior are used in the movie. i think of him more as the eternal warrior.

 

[HOWITIS]

just got back from seeing it. it was a chore to sit through. bad acting, bad writing. they killed the matrix series. i think i'll just not consider part 3 as part of the series.



anyone wanna guess at the drop from week 1 to week 2? the word has to get out about just how bad this thing sucks.

 

[Ziptar]

Originally posted by: ness1469

You paid $8 for a movie. You neither got screwed or cheated, you can be pissed all you want, but stop being such fvcking stickler nerd.

Your right to a point part of that was my fault...... I should have asked for my money back ($5.50 matinee) when I had the chance... I still reserve my right to feel pissed, screwed and cheated thought..

It was a crappy halfassed hack way to end a trilogy that started out great....


We went from "The Matrix has You, The machines must die.." in the first one to "woo! allright... the machines are leaving... we get to live in this dark underground cave in peace like rats!!!.... Neo is our savior...."

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: LiQiCE
I agree with Ziptar, this movie was the worst of the three. Maybe leaving too many loose ends is supposed to leave it up for interpretation, but I would have liked a little more information!

I kindof look at this trilogy like I look at Back to the Future. First one was good, second one was ok, third one really sucked!!!!

Leaving it open for a possible fourth movie is BS ...

I also feel like a lot of the action sequences are whatever was left over from Reloaded. It felt like all the good sequences like the highway scene were packed into the 2nd movie.

Personally, I'd recommend anyone thinking about seeing the movie to wait and rent it.

Too many loose ends? Pretty much everything that needed tying up was tied up, or can be tied up with a bit of thought.

And I don't see why everybody is saying it was left open for another movie... it wasn't at all really...

And now there weren't enough actions scenes? Jesus... first people say Reloaded was all action and no plot, now they say Rev. didn't have enough action... give me a break. This movie was action packed, and had an excellent plot to back it.

To all those who haven't seen it, I recommend you go see it in theaters, you won't regret it as long as you don't go in expecting to hate it, like some people in this thread.

Hell I thought Reloaded was great coming into this. I thought it set up Revolutions to be a really great wrap-up of the series. But they f'd it up. I think the biggest question everyone had after Reloaded was "how can Neo control/destroy the machines in the real world?" The explanation? "The source code in Neo is connected to the machines." What the f*ck is that garbage? It just seemed so thoughtless and stupid to me. And do they expect me to believe that every 100 years some psychic messiah is born in the Matrix.

Then the ending of this one leaves even more questions. The architect says "How long do you expect this peace to last?" And the Oracle says about Neo, "I'm sure we'll be seeing him again." Ugh.

Essentially the ending made all the events of the trilogy pointless, as someone else already posted.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Hey, how about a poll with a star rating on the movie...say...1 to 5 stars.

 

[tallest1]

Wait a second.......in retrospect, what does Persephone have to do with ANY of the plot?

 

[Luagsch]

Originally posted by: whoiswes

maybe after i see it a few more times i'll feel better about the way it ended. but we didn't get to understand the TRUE purpose of the kid (animatrix reveals much more about him than M2 and M3 do), we didn't get to understand the merovingian better, we didn't get to understand the persephone/neo kiss and it's signifcance.....i just felt as though they cut out significant parts of the story to make way for more action (which was great, although the neo/smith fight wasn't that great).

hmm... good point, maybe that's why i had the feeling it laked story-wise. instead of expanding on things already there (merovingian, kid, ghosts etc.) which were introduced so great in reloaded they just rushed on without looking back (well only the trainstation had something of a look back-feeling, but at the same time the watchowskys throwed new (irrelevant) info at the viewer).
or maybe what changed over the time was me, my view on movies and how i look at them (i'm getting old)
:beer:

EDIT
the more i think about it, it screams for a follow-up tv-series or anime-series. they built the stage (over the three movies) without destroying it at the end.
sounds like the next star-gate (tv-show as follow-up to movie)...

EDIT 2
and yeah, i guess the stage for the matrix-MMORPG (supposed to be released in 2004) is set now

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: tallest1
Wait a second.......in retrospect, what does Persephone have to do with ANY of the plot?

we get to stare at her boobs :beer:

 

[Aftermath]

After seeing this movie, I consider myself fortunate.
I got my $8 back because the audio was about a half second out of synch with the video throughout half of the movie.

The ending was pathetic. All it did was lead right back to square one. The humans still live in abysmal caves underground, their prescious Zion has been pretty much destroyed, the machines still use human beings as living energizers, and they still control the planet. But now, if people WANT to leave the matrix and go live in a cave eating goo and going to wacked out raves, they can go right on ahead.

 

[PlatinumGold]

btw, i created a poll thread for Matrix. look for it.

 

[SoulAssassin]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: tallest1
Wait a second.......in retrospect, what does Persephone have to do with ANY of the plot?

we get to stare at her boobs :beer:

And that's good enough for me. Seriously, she was there to help faciliate the release of the keymaker.

 

[Luagsch]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
btw, i created a poll thread for Matrix. look for it.

link to poll :beer:

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: Blindman
Is that young girl the NOS or the main program of the matrix? And everything else is build upon that young little girl?

From others and net people have argued that the "real wold" was another matrix. So what do you think of this matrix within a matrix theory after seeing the end?

one more comment I cant think of the computer reference in which smith was finally destroyed.

We undersand that he was a virus and that he was replicating himself through programs and users but how was he destroyed when he succeded in destroying neo? It dosnt make much sense as to how he was removed.

The reason why Smith was destroyed after Neo was is because the two are mutually inclusive. One cannot exist without the other. Neo lives to destroy Smith, and Smith lives to destroy Neo. With one of them missing, the cycle ends. So after Smith took over Neo's body, Smith's role was gone. He had no purpose, so he just left. I saw this movie today at 4:30 PM EST, and I have to say I enjoyed it. I believe that the feeling left after the first one was nicely finished. Although, it does leave the ending open with Sate saying she created that Sun for Neo. And the Oracle saying that she believes they will see Neo again. This raises the idea that Neo's physical body died, but his "soul" or being lives on in the Matrix. I thought the movie served it's purpose very well, and if they for some reason decide to create a 4th one, I will go see it.

EDIT: Also, a nice coincidense was that when I left the theatre, it was pouring like no tomorrow here in NY. So it felt weird having it pouring right after the Smith scene, felt like a nice closer.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Luagsch

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
btw, i created a poll thread for Matrix. look for it.

link to poll :beer:

check out the poll results people. interesting. seems that more people like it than are represented in this thread.

 

[PCMarine]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: tallest1
Wait a second.......in retrospect, what does Persephone have to do with ANY of the plot?

we get to stare at her boobs :beer:

Yes... and they were nice