**Official** Matrix Revolutions Thread **w/ SPOILERS**

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BladeWalker

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I'm sorry to say I am deeply disappointed how the Wachowskis brothers ended the trilogy. It's truly sad about the directions they took from such a great movie (original Matrix). I wonder if the sequels were even planned when the first movie was created since they were not needed.

I reserved my opinion about Reloaded because I wanted to see how Revolutions would tie it all up. Needless to say it didn't do a good job. I don't know why the brothers feel pressured to make the two sequels overly reliant on over-the-top CGI f/x and action sequences. The scripts, the plot, the pacing, and the connection of the three movies really suffered. If all three movies were suppose to tell one story, the W brothers need to work on believable transition.

What I didn't like about Reloaded. Too many new characters were introduced: Link, the Kid, Meravingian (and his crew), Persephone, Keymaker, Seraph, and the Architect. The only one that is truly required for the central plot is the Architect and I prefer Tank over Link as the operator. If the first movie is about finding "the One" who can free the humans from the Matrix, the second should be about finding "the Architect" who created the Matrix. I must admit the action sequences were great but felt most of them were unnecessary because they involve the "tangent" characters as previously mentioned. Most of the action scenes felt like fillers (or side quests) that don't really drive the main plot. The CGI f/x could use polishing but did not detract the movie, however. That being said, there were some amazing CGI actions in Reloaded.

What I didn't like about Revolutions. Morpheus is no longer a central character. His leadership persona seems to be non-existent. WTF. Neo is stuck in a limbo world between the Matrix and the real world. The matrix within a matrix would have been more plausible. The introduction of two new "tangent" characters: the Trainman and the little Indian girl. Neo has power in the Matrix and the real world, but is limited in the limbo world (train station). The whole train station idea and the Trainman seems pointless. So that makes the meeting with the Meravingian and Persephone pointless also (irregardless of how hot Monica Belucci is). I have no clue about the significance of the little girl. Seraph supposedly nearly as powerful as Neo in Reloaded seems much less so in Revolutions. Seraph mentioned that he has defeated agent Smith before but we are not given any back story about it. This time around he doesn't give much of a fight to Smith.

The Wachowskis also fell victim to using cliches. <sarcasm> Gee, I wonder if the mech commander will be fatally wounded (defending Zion) and speak to the Kid in his final moment as to motivate the Kid to take control of the mech and be a hero. Gee, I wonder if Zee's partner (an unknown character) will die.</sarcasm> Trinity is also fatally wounded (during trip to the Machine city) and in her final breath motivates Neo to continue on. This emotional scene has got to be the worse acted part by both Moss and Reeves in the entire serie. People next to me were laughing or giving *sigh*. The only thing worse than Trinity's death scene is the ending. The ending of any movie can make or break the movie. I'm sorry to say the ending of Revolutions really bites. OMFG, a peaceful sunrise behind the city skyscrapers (back in the Matrix) with the Oracle and little girl looking on.

There are some things that I do like about Revolutions: the battle at Zion and Neo vs Smith scenes were amazing. I have no complaints about the CGI in Revolutions with possible exception of the Sentinels (which I felt to be unrealistic from the beginning of the serie).

BTW, the Architect mentioned in Reloaded (also maybe Smith in the first movie) that there have been many iterations of the Matrix. The early Matrix was paradise but the human minds rejected it. He even mentioned "entire crops were lost" which suggests that humans die if the mind rejects the Matrix's version of reality. In order to create a more realistic world, the later Matrix pattern after late 20th century earth. In Revolutions, Smith takes complete control of the Matrix. How can this world of Smiths be accepted by those hooked to the Matrix? The entire human population hooked to the Matrix should be dead.
 

Omegachi

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oh my god, i think this movie sucked really bad. It didn't explain everything and the ending is just retarded. i was expecting something more, way more than a simple "peace, love" ending like this. Did you guys read the post we had here awhile ago, the one that links to someone that kinda summarized the whole trilogy? His version of neo being a program and morpheus and trinity are also programs is so much of a story for Revolutions. I dunno, this movie is not what i expect it to be.
 

Locke

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Way back when the first Matrix was released, I saw a snippit in a movie review magazine that said it was the first of a trilogy(at the time). No one believed me when I mentioned it then. I began to think I imagined it. When news of the second was released, everyone who disbelieved me ALL told me they knew all along -_-
 

Beattie

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Originally posted by: Ziptar
with the exception that they promise to leave the Humans that live in the hole in the ground alone, and let other unhappy human batteries leave the Matrix and go live in a hole in the ground too. WOO HOO!!! Neo really kicked some Machine ass and the Humans came out on top of that one..

No. All the machines ever wanted was to be equal to humans. (watch the Animatrix) When they achieve peace at the end, I assume that means that humans arent just going to live in some hole, but will come out and live on the surface in peace with the machines.
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: Medicated858
The next person who posts saying they hate this movie I will shank with a rusty screw.

Sounds like fun! I hate this movie!!! (I'm kidding of course, but shank away!!!)

There definitely wasn't enough of what made the other two Matrixes in this movie - it was more drama and less action. By no means was it a bad movie, but it wasn't the same as the other two (and yes, Reloaded I believe was very good in the action respect). I feel the store wasn't really as good as it was from the first two either. It was rather blunt. But good.

And I have to say this, the Smith/Neo fight scene was disappointing, you could hardly see any of the action while they were flying. It was a few heavy punches and that was it. And as one of the other posters said, which I mentioned to my friend that I went with, it looked like a bad episode of Dragonball Z.
 

Regs

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Reloaded and Revolutions both failed to "capture any of that jaw-dropping sense of exhilaration that made the original such a must-see event" - Hollywood Reporter.

I agree. The ending of the original Matrix was just awesome. It had a huge build up and then a burst of excitement where Neo kicks ass for a few brief moments. I wanted to see more of that in Reloaded and Revolutions, but it was just not there.

People critic this movie for what it could of been . But take it for what it is, the movie sucks.

 

LordMorpheus

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I saw it on wednesday at 4:30.

I enjoyed it, but I felt that the imagery was so heavy that it became an insult to the intelligence of the viewers.

Coming out of the movie, we saw a kid from our school who is less than brilliant, and we decided we would ask him whether or not he saw the Jesus-imagery. If he didn't, the imagery isn't to heavy handed, if he did, it is.

I haven't talked to him yet.


On the whole, I loved it. I'll probably see it again before long.
 

MacBaine

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Originally posted by: Regs

People critic this movie for what it could of been . But take it for what it is, the movie sucks.


Thanks for your opinion, but it's wrong.
 

spliffstar69

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Man did you guys see bewbies on Persephone?

oh... and what was the meaning mehind the nipple getting pinched?
 

Gunnar

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I think a lot of people are expecting to be blown away. But this movie was pretty entertaining. I can honestly say that everyone attending the movie was entertained, for long stretches of time. Just didnt blow your socks off like the first one did.

Go see it folks, its a hell of a lot more entertaining that the first.
 

SP33Demon

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I thought this movie was very entertaining visually and mentally. For everyone critisizing the plot, you probably just didn't understand it or even bother to think about the plot past the surface. If the ending DIDN'T make you think, then you have room to complain that it sucked (but what does that make you then?).

The CGI was amazing and surpassed the other two, name any movie that had better special effects (yes, it was above T3).

Speaking of reviews, funny how Ebert and Roeper gave it 2 thumbs up, yet it sucks right?


Half of the critics you read from Smallville Post USA don't have the slightest clue about what makes up a good movie and don't want to think below the surface, they want all the answers spoonfed to them (some people in this thread would meet this classification).

Regarding the movie, many have hinted that there will be a fourth and that NEO will come back b/c the Oracle said so. I think only a couple people mentioned it, but I'll reiterate: Neo as Keanu Reeves will NEVER be back. Ever. The Oracle meant that yes, he (THE ONE) will be back as an anomaly again, but not specifically NEO. This is an eternal cycle that NEVER ends because of the mathematical flaw in the matrix. If you can't realize this, then you shouldn't open your mouth about the movie or the ending.

Also, many have said, WHAT HAS CHANGED B/C OF NEO? Well, it's pretty obvious that w/out the ending we would have never known that people who want to leave the Matrix now can. Zion was not destroyed like 5 other times, it will now GROW at a faster rate now that this particular cycle has been broken. People now have a choice whether they want to stay or not, which means the Matrix really isn't a mind enslavement tool anymore and the machines have ultimately lost their control over humans.
 

CrazyDe1

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
Holy crap guys...

Reading some of these posts make me laugh. I just saw the movie, and I loved it. It explained most everything, and tied up the entire story nicely. I'm sick of these self ritegeous people claiming the movie 'sucked' abd was a 'complete waste of time' because it didn't live up to their standards. These are the people that will complain no matter how good a movie it is, because they hated it from the beginning. They had no intention of liking it from the moment they heard it was being made. They hate it because of the hype. Go cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, and I encourage people reading this thread who haven't seen it to go see it, and forget about all the comments you've read. It's pretty much the second half of the second film, and IMO, it was done excellently. Some people just love to hate popular things, especially movies, when that's the fad.

I didn't hate it...but the problem was it was exactly what you expected and exactly what you didn't want to happen. After the 2nd movie there were all sorts of theories and everyone had all these crazy explanations. It could have gone one of those ways, but it just took the obvious route...I think that's why I thought it was good but was kind of like bleh at the same time
 

Mingon

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To get a full plot line you have to see matrix 1,2,3, animatrix and the PC game. I would recommed the PC game just to see persephone kissing niobe Overall I liked it, the ending was good and left people wanting more - which is how good films always end.
 

beer

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Originally posted by: illusion88
The worst part of the movie was when trinity died. What a drawn out death scene!! People were clapping once it ended. I laughed at that. But, besides that, it wasnt a bad movie. I like the religious tie ins, that was nice.

I agree. Halfway though the scene, the guy in the row in front of me lets out the longest, loudest fart I have ever heard. The rest of the scene was just people laughing because the scene sucked so much and that was arguably the most brilliantly-timed fart in the history of mankind.
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Holy crap guys...

Reading some of these posts make me laugh. I just saw the movie, and I loved it. It explained most everything, and tied up the entire story nicely. I'm sick of these self ritegeous people claiming the movie 'sucked' abd was a 'complete waste of time' because it didn't live up to their standards. These are the people that will complain no matter how good a movie it is, because they hated it from the beginning. They had no intention of liking it from the moment they heard it was being made. They hate it because of the hype. Go cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, and I encourage people reading this thread who haven't seen it to go see it, and forget about all the comments you've read. It's pretty much the second half of the second film, and IMO, it was done excellently. Some people just love to hate popular things, especially movies, when that's the fad.

I didn't hate it...but the problem was it was exactly what you expected and exactly what you didn't want to happen. After the 2nd movie there were all sorts of theories and everyone had all these crazy explanations. It could have gone one of those ways, but it just took the obvious route...I think that's why I thought it was good but was kind of like bleh at the same time
So it was obvious Neo would go to machine city and fight Smith for the fate of Zion? It was obvious that Neo would have to let Smith destroy him in order for Smith to be destroyed? It was obvious that the Oracle combined with Neo and the machines would be the only way to destroy Smith? It was obvious that the stronger Neo got, the stronger Smith got? Please. Put the crack pipe down.

Obvious would have been Neo destroys Smith and the Matrix, hence saving all of mankind AND Zion. That would have been the cheesiest thing ever, yet half of the braindead critics that write for local newspapers and ATOTer critics would have been in hog heaven b/c that wouldn't require any *thinking*.

 

MagicBoy

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My question is why do the machines "Keep their word?"
What purpose do humans (in zion) have to the machines? Why not go back and destroy Zion now that Neo has helped you reboot the matrix? Neo did what he was supposed to do. He died to allow the matrix to be recreated. The machines can obviously create human life so why does Zion need to be pre-populated?





 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: Elemental007
Originally posted by: illusion88
The worst part of the movie was when trinity died. What a drawn out death scene!! People were clapping once it ended. I laughed at that. But, besides that, it wasnt a bad movie. I like the religious tie ins, that was nice.

I agree. Halfway though the scene, the guy in the row in front of me lets out the longest, loudest fart I have ever heard. The rest of the scene was just people laughing because the scene sucked so much and that was arguably the most brilliantly-timed fart in the history of mankind.
That scene was the worst in the movie... the acting wasn't all that good, and yes the scene was drawn out. It was probably one of the only scenes where I thought it could have been done better, that and maybe the opening club scene with Merov.

They should have had Merov wield some of his "power" and show us what he was made of instead of babbling like a fool... maybe have shots fired when the 3 were walking through the club with guns drawn, and have a huge firefight in the club.

 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: MagicBoy
My question is why do the machines "Keep their word?"
What purpose do humans (in zion) have to the machines? Why not go back and destroy Zion now that Neo has helped you reboot the matrix? Neo did what he was supposed to do. He died to allow the matrix to be recreated. The machines can obviously create human life so why does Zion need to be pre-populated?
My interpretation is that it relates to the Oracle and Architect, the Oracle has convinced the Architect to let anyone who doesn't want to be in the Matrix to go to Zion. Because the Oracle won her "game" of destroying Smith/Neo(anomaly) and rebooting/restoring the Matrix, the Architect now has to let people go and leave Zion alone. People now have a choice of either having their freedom or dreaming their life away in the Matrix... I think the Oracle's job is not only to eliminate the anomaly, but to make the Matrix better. By letting people go to Zion of free will statistically lowers the odds that the anomaly will try to disrupt the Matrix if he/she is happy in Zion and he/she's "purpose" to free minds is no longer the case.

I think the big question is, what is the true purpose of the anomaly now? He/she will eventually surface again, and what if he/she just wants to go back to the Matrix for the pure purpose of destruction and freeing even the people who *voluntarily* WANT to be there?

 

spliffstar69

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Originally posted by: spliffstar69
Man did you guys see bewbies on Persephone?

oh... and what was the meaning mehind the nipple getting pinched?

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i must be too long married, because i don't remember either of those scenes.

that was the in the club scene.
 

blakeatwork

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Originally posted by: Ziptar
Originally posted by: ness1469

You paid $8 for a movie. You neither got screwed or cheated, you can be pissed all you want, but stop being such fvcking stickler nerd.

Your right to a point part of that was my fault...... I should have asked for my money back ($5.50 matinee) when I had the chance... I still reserve my right to feel pissed, screwed and cheated thought..

It was a crappy halfassed hack way to end a trilogy that started out great....


We went from "The Matrix has You, The machines must die.." in the first one to "woo! allright... the machines are leaving... we get to live in this dark underground cave in peace like rats!!!.... Neo is our savior...."


Obviously the first installement passed you by....

How would the humans live on the surface anyways, being that it's covered by nuclear winter and all??

Christ, all you whiny little bastards bitching and complaining because

i) the movie didn't end with a cataclysmic fight scene,
ii) there were obvious references to a religious/mythological figure
iii) it was "made by Hollywood"
iv) there was no hard finallity
v) the humans didn't win
v-a) the machines didn't win
vi) it wasn't the deep, philosophical entity that everyone thought it was, thus, basing your existence on the premise of the Matrix has left you feeling empty and cold, much like your single bed
vii) you realized you were the only one camped out for it
viii) it had Keanu Reeves
ix) Trinity didn't get naked this time
x) you thought there was too much talking

I could go on, but I'll stop there..

I enjoyed the movie as a movie, and not some revelation-inspiring piece of god-work. Everyone put the Wachowski's on this immense pedastal after the first one, and assumed that all the others would fall in line right away. The problem with that is that there wasn't a whole lot of dialogue.. i'd estimate about half the first flick was just wire-work, bullets and flying fists... They could have ended the series at Movie 2, but they chose to add additional detail to the story, and that's what you kids hate...

just give over already... I was a good movie.. not as good as number 1, but better then 2. I'm definitely watching it again, and will probably pick up the box set when all three come out..

 

Ludacris

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Seems like a big cycle to me. When Neo was freed in the first movie, the machines didn't try to kill him. They just let him go down the sewage drain. So basically after another 100 years, a new neo will rise again and then we go through all that crap again. Notice how Zion had like 23 people survive in Revolutions? Bottom Line: The machines are keeping the humans in check by going through all this crap every 100 years or so.
 

Aftermath

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Notice how Zion had like 23 people survive in Revolutions? Bottom Line: The machines are keeping the humans in check by going through all this crap every 100 years or so

Man, you really must've missed that scene. I specificly watched to see if it would be a few survivors to restart Zion as proposed by the architecht, and it wasn't like that. There were crowds of probably thousands of people still alive. That's how the cycle is different now. Zion survived, maybe a bit banged up, but it's still there and the human race is still abundant, not nearly wiped out. Now humans can freely leave the matrix, but I think it's a horrible solution. To paraphrase cypher from the first movie, why sit in a cave and eat some damn goop day after day when you can live in blissful ignorance in the matrix? Sounds like a great solution, let people freely leave a real, populated, sunlit world with love, clothes, cable, and ATOT, to go live in a cave somewhere.
 
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