**Official** Matrix Revolutions Thread **w/ SPOILERS**

[azncoffeeboi]

if neo = jesus

and neo dies at the end, does neo returning back (as the oracle says at the end of the movie) signify the second comming of jesus?

thoughts?

 

[Aharami]

neo is the ultimate nerd. i mean...a mental connection with the source code?!? hah. jk!

ok i LOVED this movie!!!

 

[Glitchny]

not hard to understand, the smiths die cause neo returns to the source by being assimilated by smith, remember the oracle said they he was neo's negative! THEY CANCELED EACH OTHER OUT hence smith and neo dying. its not hard to understand.

 

[Cuda1447]

The thing that really throws it off for me is in the end when the Machines agree to let the humans live. Wasn't the whole point of the war because they needed the humans to survive, and thus enslaved them in the matrix? Which is also the whole point for the matrix? So now what, machines are going to let the humans go, free them from the Matrix, and destroy the Matrix? But now they have no power to live off of? WTF


Someone else HAD to think this when they saw it, I mean come on.... that just totally doesn't make sense.

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
The thing that really throws it off for me is in the end when the Machines agree to let the humans live. Wasn't the whole point of the war because they needed the humans to survive, and thus enslaved them in the matrix? Which is also the whole point for the matrix? So now what, machines are going to let the humans go, free them from the Matrix, and destroy the Matrix? But now they have no power to live off of? WTF


Someone else HAD to think this when they saw it, I mean come on.... that just totally doesn't make sense.

they arent letting them all go they just arent going to kill them all, just peace, and then the architect says that they will free the ones that want to leave. Humans and machines need each other, that was established in Reloaded when neo and the senator talk

 

[hdeck]

all i can say is that i want my $8.25 back.

 

[BeastBuy]

Yes. Not the mind blowing experience that many were hoping for.

What would have made this movie better?

The deletion of the one line by the club bouncer: "...over my cold dead ass."

How about more rave scenes? Revolutions should have just been 2 hours and 9 minutes worth of rave scenes - in the S&M club, in Zion, and even in the 10,000 Smith cityscape - a rave composed solely of Agent Smiths sensually grinding with other Agent Smiths in slow motion. Awesome.

[See people, the movie could have been much much worse. At least it's over and done with.]

 

[Cfour]

I liked the movie up until the end part... seems liek they want to leave it open to some kind of continuation of the trilogy. I didn't get the part at the end where Neo started glowing, either. I also though it sucked that Trinity and Neo had to die. Most of all, why did they have to truce with the machines? LAME! The whole point was to destroy the machines and free all the humans... it seems like the writers tried to do a lot and didn't give people, or at least me, what they wanted! Let Neo destroy the machines with his powers! lol! to sum it up, it was a good movie up til the end.

 

[SammyBoy]

it would have been great if it ended with him waking up staring at his computer screen....there's a dramatic pause, you hear a knock on the door and Mr Smith's voice saying, "Hello, Mr Anderson", then Trinity and Morpheus come flying in the window, grab him, and make a getaway before smith knew what happened

 

[Creedyou]

Questions:
1) what is the purpose of "love" throughtout the film? i.e: Persephone's comment about Trinity and her love for Neo, Neo and Trinity all the time, the Indian guy loving his daughter and wife, Naobi and Morpheus's love, etc.
2) what was that scene about machines having human emotions?
3) who is the architect, the oracle, and the Indian girl at the ending scene? are they all programs?
4) how come Neo sees "fire" after being blinded?
5) how does Neo have powers in the real world?

 

[Deleted member 4644]

ibl

 

[calpha]

well, I admit when the movie first ended i was saying "WTF?"

I'm a huge Matrix fan and didn't look at it as a story with depth----just a cool, fun escape story. And I loved the ending for the first movie.

I enjoyed the movie, but I was pissed at the ending because I felt it lacked true resolution. But I would have been completely happy with the movie if it had ended with Neo's burrial scene. I didn't like the add-on with the oracle and the architect.

Reasons for existence in the movie as I see it:
Neo: An Inevitability of mathematical equations governing the matrix. As long as the matrix exists, another One will always evolve.
Smith: To balance the equation which is to destroy Neo
Oracle: To influence Neo by letting him think he has a choice. But knowing the end purpose is to get him back into the source. Her end cause is to save the Matrix.
The Other programs and humans: Filler

In the end, the trilogy was about purpose and choice--Neo learning, and accepting his purpose, and making the choice to fulfill it. I don't like it but that's how I see it.

 

[speg]

Just got back from seeing it, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Everyone saying it ruined the trilogy, should all get together and go write us a trilogy. Show them how to do it. It was a good movie and entertained me. If I wanted to learn more about crazy philosophy stuff I would pick up some textbooks.

 

[5ayle]

CRAAP!!! Those Wachoski's tricked me again!!!!

Nothing made sense at all.

1)Why does Neo have powers in the real world?

2)Since he did have powers, he's NEO. He could destroy the machine world by just being his bad4ss self.

3)Umm... what's up with light's coming out of neo's mouth in the real world.

4)It wasn't neccesary for him to go to the computers. He could have destroyed Smith from the comforts of his ship and then held the matrix hostage or destroyed or something.

5)Persephone should have gotten WAY more scene. Not important to the plot but she's hot.

6)I want my money back

7)I'll quit now....

 

[Cfour]

Oracle: To influence Neo by letting him think he has a choice. But knowing the end purpose is to get him back into the source. Her end cause is to save the Matrix.

But didn't the Oracle say, at the end, that she didn't know what the end result was going to be? It seems to me that Neo did more than what the other "Ones" had done in the past. I dunno.

 

[AnImuS]

loved it

 

[calpha]

Originally posted by: Cfour

Oracle: To influence Neo by letting him think he has a choice. But knowing the end purpose is to get him back into the source. Her end cause is to save the Matrix.

But didn't the Oracle say, at the end, that she didn't know what the end result was going to be? It seems to me that Neo did more than what the other "Ones" had done in the past. I dunno.

Perhaps that's true. But he still fulfilled his purpose by being disseminated into the matrix. I guess that's why I left empty because from the first movie, Neo's purpose is not to be a super weapon, but to end the war. And the war will always exist as long as the matrix exists. So instead of ending the war as stated in the first one, the end of the war was instead peace, with the matrix still alive. Thus, the Oracle's only reason to live was to influence Neo to learn his purpose from the Matrix's and machine's perspective, not the humans. I can't find a way around that. Maybe she didnt know what would happen, but she still fulfilled her purpose by getting him to realize he needed to be disseminated and destroyed so agent smith is destroyed.

Assuming that the Agent Smith program is created anytime Neo arrives, the others were disseminated at the end of revolutions, and that made the agent smith program cease to have a purpose, so it never grew to threaten the matrix. They did do a good job at giving double meanings everywhere. One must not learn to bend the spoon, rather one must realize that there is no spoon

I don't know---anytime you leave a movie and still think about it---wondering what things meant----I guess that's a good movie in my book. It does have a lot of unanswered questions, and I admit part of me wishes it would have ended at the first one----but it was defiinitely FUN Instead of a resolution, it puts the premise in a circle---giving the "revolution" title a double meaning. But I guess that's why they didn't call it "The Matrix: End Game"

But I will say it's refreshing to have ROTK to fall back on, which I'm beyond eagerly awaiting.

 

[Atlantean]

I liked it much better than the last one... quite an enjoyable movie.

 

[Dragnov]

Just got back!

WOW!

After seeing all the negative stuff especially from here I went in w/ low expectations. I loved it. Yeah didn't match the first one in terms of ingenuity or what not, but I again say I loved it.

Don't go expecting all this deep sh1t, or the subtleness or what not. Go in looking for simple entertainment and you won't be dissapointed!

 

[Xenon14]

For all the people that hated the movie: doesn't it drive you nuts that the same thing that brough you pain, brought me pleasure? I enjoyed it thoroughly, and your negative commentary makes me revel in that even more. Just like most critics, you haters get distracted by the actions scenes and fail to realize there is a purposeful plot. The directors meant for this trilogy to be interpretted; I've noticed that generally the people that dislike this movie enjoy films that do the thinking for them. I think the honorable Mr. T said it best, "I pity the fool."

 

[Medicated858]

The next person who posts saying they hate this movie I will shank with a rusty screw.

 

[lowfatbaconboy]

just got back from it too....
and few things i have to say

1) over i don't think it was as bad as everyone says
2) the ending did leave alot of loose ends im still deciding if that was good or bad
3) the very last scene with the sun and the oracle and the architect was complete crap....i agree with someone who said it would have been fine if it ended with neo being burried (honestly all 3 movies had nice tone to them ...cinematic wise with the dark shots and drab colors but then all the sudden it had this last shot that was sappyish and had the whole will neo return crap)

I was expecting to come back and get on ATOT and have great questions explained so the meaning of the movie is more deep and interesting ....instead just a bunch of whining babies and no deep meaning

(oh ya kinda interesting side note my friend almost got in a fight with someone at the movie cuz this guy behind us kept on being an a$$ to everyone and yelling NERDS......so my friend pointed out "why are you at the 3rd movie of a sci-fi trilogy and calling people nerds....and ruining everyone else's fun....and then the guy got all matcho and threatened to beat him up (though it was quite amusing cuz there were 14 of us and 3-4 of them))

^yes i did just end that with double parantheisis to close the first set b/c im such a programing dork

 

[illusion88]

The worst part of the movie was when trinity died. What a drawn out death scene!! People were clapping once it ended. I laughed at that. But, besides that, it wasnt a bad movie. I like the religious tie ins, that was nice.

 

[ninformant]

How can you like the ending? The three programs chatting it up on a lovely sunny afternoon? What the hell was that? And what power did the little Indian girl have? To make the sun rise? huh? Overall I definitely feel cheated, I kinda was hoping that Matrix 3 would pick up the 2nd one and bring back more of the mystique and philosophy.

>>Worst Matrix movie ever<<

 

[dfi]

The moment I saw the indian couple talking about love, I knew that the machines would not all be destroyed. I thought, "oh crap, does this mean we have to live with machines now?" Personally, I wish Neo would've just leveled everything and everyone inside the matrix.

Smith fulfilling his purpose? Eh, I don't like that explanation only because there were all these exile programs, seemingly with no purpose, just "kicking it" in reloaded. The part where Smith talks about what he's suppose to say and do, and then backing away from Neo in fear, then killing Neo anyways.... well I don't get it.

Neo can do all this wonderful stuff in the real world. Ok, so he's psychic or somehow has a psychic link with the matrix. Seems out of place to me. The psychic that has to be blind to see, seems like something out of a magic fantasy movie. Neo would be a pretty sweet jedi though... well if all he had to fight were machines.

Smith has run amuck in the matrix and is now taking over all programs and human minds. The only reason the matrix even has to run a simulation of the 20th century is because that's the world the human mind would accept. The machines just want to keep the humans under control, pacified, so that they can have energy. Now the machines don't even have to worry about that anymore, with Smith taking over everyone. Forget running the simulation, just jack in a human and Smith will enslave his mind. Electricity without anymore work. Seems like a sweet deal for the machines to me. (Btw, those 2 white transparent guys from Reloaded... they would never be assimilated by Smith right? They would just float around for all eternity?)

The sunshine ending... I almost thought someone in the projection room had played a cruel joke and switched reels. Seems pretty out of place when, imho, the human race still feels pretty darn screwed. Zion only survives because the architect feels like letting them live. That's a pretty precarious situation for the human race, if you ask me. Besides, I bet the architect could devise a pretty wonderful advertising campaign so that no one would ever want to leave the matrix. "Stay in the matrix and be rich and famous, or live in a hole in the ground." Hrm....

Action's not bad. What I really liked about the previous matrix movies was Neo doing some good old fashion hand to hand combat in the matrix, with a bit of omnipotence mixed in. Too bad there really wasn't any of that in Revolutions. And I didn't enjoy seeing Trinity's now signature move in all three movies.

All in all I'm disappointed. But every beginning has an end. And now I'm at the end.

dfi