[Official] Mayweather vs Pacquiao | May 2nd (TOMORROW)

[Childs]

Whats funny is boxing has been scored like this for awhile, and now because the fighter you like lost its a problem. Like all sports, scoring is cumulative. In this case, a round is more like a run in baseball, a TD in football, etc. The goal is still to score more than the opponent. In football you dont get extra points for a 70 yard play vs a 1 yard play, a TD is a TD. In basketball, you dont get 3 points for a dunk vs 2 points for a layup. In boxing you could argue its better in a way, because if you dominate a round (10-8) you can get a two round advantage.

The downside is the judging of the rounds is subjective, but if neither fighter distances themselves from the other than too bad. Before they had judges fights used to go on for hours. I suppose you could do a performance based payout, like a 75-25 split for a KO vs a 25-25 split for a decision. But the scoring system was established before they fought, and crying about it now is petty.

 

[smackababy]

SUBJECTIVE JUDGING

might as well lump boxing in with figure skating

And, like most, you fall into the idiocy of thinking all things in each are subjective. Most of the figure skating score is not subjective, but judged by difficulty of moves performed during the routine.

And, as with boxing, the "subjective" part is relatively low. Few rounds are given to fighters that didn't objectively win them. In context of the Mayweather fight, every objective metric other than activity (simply due to the amount of punches thrown by Pac) go in favor of Mayweather.

 

[Ns1]

And, like most, you fall into the idiocy of thinking all things in each are subjective. Most of the figure skating score is not subjective, but judged by difficulty of moves performed during the routine.

And, as with boxing, the "subjective" part is relatively low. Few rounds are given to fighters that didn't objectively win them. In context of the Mayweather fight, every objective metric other than activity (simply due to the amount of punches thrown by Pac) go in favor of Mayweather.

This includes the "bitch factor" metric right?

 

[IAteYourMother]

Whats funny is boxing has been scored like this for awhile, and now because the fighter you like lost its a problem. Like all sports, scoring is cumulative. In this case, a round is more like a run in baseball, a TD in football, etc. The goal is still to score more than the opponent. In football you dont get extra points for a 70 yard play vs a 1 yard play, a TD is a TD. In basketball, you dont get 3 points for a dunk vs 2 points for a layup. In boxing you could argue its better in a way, because if you dominate a round (10-8) you can get a two round advantage.

The downside is the judging of the rounds is subjective, but if neither fighter distances themselves from the other than too bad. Before they had judges fights used to go on for hours. I suppose you could do a performance based payout, like a 75-25 split for a KO vs a 25-25 split for a decision. But the scoring system was established before they fought, and crying about it now is petty.

No, the scoring has always been stupid in boxing that way, and regardless, Mayweather dominated that fight no matter how you would score it. I don't mind the judging aspect, but scoring by discrete rounds is pretty silly to me. It wouldn't/shouldn't affect how you'd score a round either and makes more sense to reward a few dominating rounds more than a few near stalemate rounds.

 

[smackababy]

This includes the "bitch factor" metric right?

By bitch factor, do you mean punched Pac in the face more than got punched in the face? Clinching is part of boxing. Get over it. The few times Pac got in, Mayweather could clinch or slide out of it.

If you want to watch two people stand and punch each other, I'm sure Kimbo Slice has some youtube videos that will suit you.

 

[Childs]

No, the scoring has always been stupid in boxing that way, and regardless, Mayweather dominated that fight no matter how you would score it. I don't mind the judging aspect, but scoring by discrete rounds is pretty silly to me. It wouldn't/shouldn't affect how you'd score a round either and makes more sense to reward a few dominating rounds more than a few near stalemate rounds.

Thats accounted for. You can score 10-8, 10-10 or 10-7, depending on what happened. If one fighter dominates a round but doesnt do enough for the fight to be stopped, I dont necessarily think anything needs to be changed. A 2 or even 3 round advantage should be enough. If a round is too close to call, then the simple answer is one of the fighters should have done more. They know how the fight is scored. Generally, the judges reward aggression in a close round.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Thats accounted for. You can score 10-8, 10-10 or 10-7, depending on what happened. If one fighter dominates a round but doesnt do enough for the fight to be stopped, I dont necessarily think anything needs to be changed. A 2 or even 3 round advantage should be enough. If a round is too close to call, then the simple answer is one of the fighters should have done more. They know how the fight is scored. Generally, the judges reward aggression in a close round.

I think you're only looking at the extreme case to justify why it wouldn't matter. And in that scenario, either scoring system would reward the same fighter, so it's not clear to me what your objection is except "it's always been this way."

I just rewatched Hearns-Hagler though, now that was insane.

 

[Ns1]

By bitch factor, do you mean lovetapped Pac in the face more than got punched in the face? Clinching is part of boxing. Get over it. The few times Pac got in, Mayweather could clinch or slide out of it.

FTFY. So what you're saying is, bitch factor was indeed high.


Anyway, I already voted with my dollars. Learned quite a few fights ago to never spend money on a Mayweather fight and this was no exception.

 

[smackababy]

FTFY. So what you're saying is, bitch factor was indeed high.


Anyway, I already voted with my dollars. Learned quite a few fights ago to never spend money on a Mayweather fight and this was no exception.

Pac was lovetapping him back, just at a much lesser rate. =)


And, yeah, the fight was a typical Mayweather fight. But, the idea was that Pac was supposed to be so offensive minded, he could get angles in to land shots and throw flurries. That didn't happen though.

Maybe, once Floyd is off contract, he will sign a one fight deal to have a rematch with a "healthy" Pac so he can make some millions and laugh at all the excuses people come up with for why he won again.

 

[Ns1]

Maybe, once Floyd is off contract, he will sign a one fight deal to have a rematch with a "healthy" Pac so he can make some millions and laugh at all the excuses people come up with for why he won again.

I hope not - that ship has sailed now.

 

[QueBert]

SUBJECTIVE JUDGING

might as well lump boxing in with figure skating

I've seen plenty of fights where this was the case, but any person who says Pac won shouldn't be allowed to ever watch boxing again. There was nothing subjective about this fight.

Maybe, once Floyd is off contract, he will sign a one fight deal to have a rematch with a "healthy" Pac so he can make some millions and laugh at all the excuses people come up with for why he won again.

Floyd said he would give Manny a rematch next year after his shoulder healed. I somehow don't see Manny taking him up on this offer.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

I've seen plenty of fights where this was the case, but any person who says Pac won shouldn't be allowed to ever watch boxing again. There was nothing subjective about this fight.




Floyd said he would give Manny a rematch next year after his shoulder healed. I somehow don't see Manny taking him up on this offer.

Money talks and there are enough idiots out there that would still pay.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Floyd said he would give Manny a rematch next year after his shoulder healed. I somehow don't see Manny taking him up on this offer.

i dunno, the absolutely ridiculous sum of money wasted on this fight would likely be on the table again for a rematch; these guys are already ridiculously wealthy but one last mega payday before being able to retire into a solid gold house complete with rocket car could be enticing enough

 

[MongGrel]

I think Floyd might have deflated his gloves a bit....

Yeah that's it.

 

[QueBert]

HOLY SHIT Yahoo Sports is reporting the PPV numbers

As noted previously, the pay-per-view buys could double the previous high and wind up somewhere near 5.625 million.

apparently Floyd stands to make up to 190 million more on the PPV revenues alone.

SHEIEIEIEIEIT!

 

[ViRGE]

HOLY SHIT Yahoo Sports is reporting the PPV numbers

As noted previously, the pay-per-view buys could double the previous high and wind up somewhere near 5.625 million.

apparently Floyd stands to make up to 190 million more on the PPV revenues alone.

SHEIEIEIEIEIT!

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