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rcpratt

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I'm so sick of collisions at home plate. It's really turning me off to baseball. How many catchers need to get pointlessly hurt?
 

iRONic

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I'm so sick of collisions at home plate. It's really turning me off to baseball. How many catchers need to get pointlessly hurt?
If MLB stops allowing catchers to block the plate the injuries will decrease.
 

SP33Demon

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If MLB stops allowing catchers to block the plate the injuries will decrease.

It's the catcher's prerogative to block the plate (so even more blame goes on Avila last night), and a fielder can block a base (if they're at the base) on certain plays like pickoffs, runners stretching a hit, etc. A runner can also take out a fielder if they're blocking said base.

Unless you mean MLB should require that all players slide at home. Meh, I love the collisions but I'm old school. However, I'm willing to admit that players these days are hulking amalgamations of whey protein and creatine with linebacker builds so it may be time to implement such a rule.
 

rcpratt

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It's the catcher's prerogative to block the plate (so even more blame goes on Avila last night)
I agree, under the current construct, it is the catcher's choice. But really, it's an expectation.

Not sure what Avila is getting blamed for though, he did nothing wrong.
and a fielder can block a base (if they're at the base) on certain plays like pickoffs, runners stretching a hit, etc. A runner can also take out a fielder if they're blocking said base.
As far as I know, this is the definition of interference. There was some controversy earlier in the postseason about some 1st baseman blocking 1st base with his foot as a runner attempted to make it back on a pickoff. It wasn't called, but it could (should) have been.

Unless you mean MLB should require that all players slide at home. Meh, I love the collisions but I'm old school. However, I'm willing to admit that players these days are hulking amalgamations of whey protein and creatine with linebacker builds so it may be time to implement such a rule.
I don't know what the solution is; there are issues with all of them. I am just sick of seeing people hurt from a play that (in my opinion) has no business being in baseball.

That said, I was rooting for Miggy to run over Ross last night when he ran through the stop sign. Why not? What do you have to lose? There's no rule against it. That's why it's stupid.
 

jalaram

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What I loved about that catch was how he only stuck his glove out at the last minute to "swipe" at the ball.

The angle from the outfield really shows how close he came to dropping it.
 

iRONic

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It's the catcher's prerogative to block the plate (so even more blame goes on Avila last night), and a fielder can block a base (if they're at the base) on certain plays like pickoffs, runners stretching a hit, etc. A runner can also take out a fielder if they're blocking said base.

Unless you mean MLB should require that all players slide at home. Meh, I love the collisions but I'm old school. However, I'm willing to admit that players these days are hulking amalgamations of whey protein and creatine with linebacker builds so it may be time to implement such a rule.
Somebody was blaming Avila?

I was just throwing it out there. I'm OK with the way it's handled now. If MLBPA makes it an issue I'd support their stance. Big dudes barreling full speed for 88 feet isn't healthy.
 

iRONic

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I don't know what the solution is; there are issues with all of them. I am just sick of seeing people hurt from a play that (in my opinion) has no business being in baseball.

That said, I was rooting for Miggy to run over Ross last night when he ran through the stop sign. Why not? What do you have to lose? There's no rule against it.
That's why it's stupid.
Then you're a hypocrite. He was gonna be out by ten feet.
 

Wingznut

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That said, I was rooting for Miggy to run over Ross last night when he ran through the stop sign. Why not? What do you have to lose? There's no rule against it. That's why it's stupid.
Well... Miggy could've gotten more hurt than he already is. But I do agree that the rule needs to change.

Yes, that Iglesias catch was pretty spectacular!

Hope this series goes seven games, even if the Tigers don't pull it out. There's nothing more exciting in sports than a Game Seven!
 

BUTCH1

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Then you're a hypocrite. He was gonna be out by ten feet.

Ross was equally as dead duck on the play at the plate, either catcher has the option of striding the plate and making a tag without a massive collision, both decided to (legally) block the plate and absorb the ensuing impact..
 

Wingznut

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Ross was equally as dead duck on the play at the plate, either catcher has the option of striding the plate and making a tag without a massive collision, both decided to (legally) block the plate and absorb the ensuing impact..
Really? You think if Avila had straddled the plate, Ross would've slid? Nah.
 

SP33Demon

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Somebody was blaming Avila?

I was just throwing it out there. I'm OK with the way it's handled now. If MLBPA makes it an issue I'd support their stance. Big dudes barreling full speed for 88 feet isn't healthy.

I'm blaming Avila because he could have done the swipe tag from out in front of the plate. Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZEJYv5clzo

Nobody has to block the plate. But this is the playoffs and everyone wants to be the hero.
 

Wingznut

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I'm blaming Avila because he could have done the swipe tag from out in front of the plate.

Nobody has to block the plate. But this is the playoffs and everyone wants to be the hero.
Except that play was a swipe tag, only because the throw was way off. And that type of play is very unreliable.
If Avila had tried that and failed, he'd be the scapegoat of the series.
 

SP33Demon

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Except that play was a swipe tag, only because the throw was way off. And that type of play is very unreliable.
If Avila had tried that and failed, he'd be the scapegoat of the series.

Yeah, it was a bang-bang play with not a lot of time to get into position. He still had the option of swiping but yes, I agree it's very unreliable. Avila would also look like a pretty big pussy, although I wouldn't blame him with Ross coming at him full steam. Ross is a beast.
 

Squisher

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Announcers made it sound like the loss of Avila was going to severely impact Detroit defensively. All season long I've watched Pena do as adequate job as Avila behind the plate. I think if both catchers had started with the Tigers at the same time there'd be a lot more Pena backers. I've been an Avila backer even through his slumps, but you can't discount that Pena is having a career year.
 

BUTCH1

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LMFAO Fielder

Yea, that was really bad baserunning, I had to LOL when they announced they were going to check on Salty to see if he's OK, heck, he landed on a 285lb pillow, how could he be hurt?. Bad move to pull Buck that soon, he did give up a walk but the grounder by Miggy could have just as easily been a double-play grounder, instead he brings in Morales who couldn't throw a stroke to save his life.
 

manly

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Yea, that was really bad baserunning, I had to LOL when they announced they were going to check on Salty to see if he's OK, heck, he landed on a 285lb pillow, how could he be hurt?. Bad move to pull Buck that soon, he did give up a walk but the grounder by Miggy could have just as easily been a double-play grounder, instead he brings in Morales who couldn't throw a stroke to save his life.
only 285? The sad part is JS didn't play the rundown very well, he held the ball too long. If Fielder had "ran" to 3rd, he might've even had a 10% chance of getting there. Has to be the worst slide I've ever seen, though he was slightly impeded by a Sox defender.
 
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