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iamwiz82

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He's by far their best defensive CFer, I guess their calculation is that (a) he won't get better with rest and (b) that his defense is still worth having even if his offense completely disappears.

Burnett got absolutely rocked.

Seems like his defense is suffering too. Did you see him catch that fly ball?
 

TheVrolok

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Let him go another 2 IP and get him out. Save him for Game 7, even if it's just a relief appearance.

I agree completely. I'm not even sure I'd give him 2. If he gets out of the 4th with no more runs, I'd say give him the bench. He will need to pitch, and pitch well, in game 7 if they make it.
 

BeauJangles

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Seems like his defense is suffering too. Did you see him catch that fly ball?

Yeah. I'm pretty much with you. Take him out. Even if it doesn't affect his ability to run balls down, it will certainly affect his ability to dive and make plus defensive plays.
 

BeauJangles

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I agree completely. I'm not even sure I'd give him 2. If he gets out of the 4th with no more runs, I'd say give him the bench. He will need to pitch, and pitch well, in game 7 if they make it.

The problem is that if the Phillies somehow lost, Manuel would instantaneously lose his job, even though their chances of winning at this point are at 92%.

edit: Victorino "It's not broken. I'm fine." TRANSLATION "It's fucking fractured and hurts like hell. I hope I can still hold on to my bat."
 

TheVrolok

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The problem is that if the Phillies somehow lost, Manuel would instantaneously lose his job, even though their chances of winning at this point are at 92%.

edit: Victorino "It's not broken. I'm fine." TRANSLATION "It's fucking fractured and hurts like hell. I hope I can still hold on to my bat."

Yep, there's no way that ball didn't at least fracture something in his hand. Just a matter of basic physics.
 

TheVrolok

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I think it would be great if this series went to 7. Not only because I'm a Philly fan, but I just think a 7 game WS is a wonderful thing.
 

iamwiz82

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Tim McCarver = Closer talker. If Joe Black was leaning any more, he'd fall out of his chair :biggrin:
 

BeauJangles

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No fucking way. Utley is ridiculous. I hope everyone will now realize how fucking good he is.

edit: just to point it out, Utley has been worth between 6.7 - 8.1 Wins Above Replacement over the last 5 seasons. I'm pretty sure the only player with a higher WAR is Pujols.
 
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No fucking way. Utley is ridiculous. I hope everyone will now realize how fucking good he is.

edit: just to point it out, Utley has been worth between 6.7 - 8.1 Wins Above Replacement over the last 5 seasons. I'm pretty sure the only player with a higher WAR is Pujols.

could you explain WAR? is it as simple as i think it is?
 

drebo

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No fucking way. Utley is ridiculous. I hope everyone will now realize how fucking good he is.

edit: just to point it out, Utley has been worth between 6.7 - 8.1 Wins Above Replacement over the last 5 seasons. I'm pretty sure the only player with a higher WAR is Pujols.

I'd take Utley over that hack Cano any day of the week. Here's hoping the Yankees have some sense and get rid of Cano after his contract is up next year. Maybe they can sign Kinsler or Utley or Roberts or convert a short-stop or catcher or something...anything would be better than Cano.
 

BeauJangles

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could you explain WAR? is it as simple as i think it is?

It's a little complicated, but replacement level basically means a marginal player that a team could pick up at any point during the season (willie bloomquist is often used as an example). It does not mean the average player that starts at a given position for an MLB team. Though the values change depending on the season, on average a replacement level player is worth about -20 runs (2 wins) over the course of ~600 plate appearances. If you are interested, I can point you at some in-depth discussions of the math and theory behind WAR.

Essentially, what we're saying is that Utley, when compared to other 2B players, delivered 8 more wins over a replacement level player over the course of this season.

Edit: so to answer your question, yes it's simple and no, it's not simple
 
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BeauJangles

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I'd take Utley over that hack Cano any day of the week. Here's hoping the Yankees have some sense and get rid of Cano after his contract is up next year. Maybe they can sign Kinsler or Utley or Roberts or convert a short-stop or catcher or something...anything would be better than Cano.

Cano has been solidly above average every season but 2008. He's frustratingly streaky, but he has definitely delivered over the course of the season for the Yankees.
 

evident

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lee needs to pitch game 7- end of story. hamels checked out for the rest of the season with his ridiculous statement today and pedro can handle game 6 if he gets run support
 
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It's a little complicated, but replacement level basically means a marginal player that a team could pick up at any point during the season (willie bloomquist is often used as an example). It does not mean the average player that starts at a given position for an MLB team. Though the values change depending on the season, on average a replacement level player is worth about -20 runs (2 wins) over the course of ~600 plate appearances. If you are interested, I can point you at some in-depth discussions of the math and theory behind WAR.

Essentially, what we're saying is that Utley, when compared to other 2B players, delivered 8 more wins over a replacement level player over the course of this season.

Edit: so to answer your question, yes it's simple and no, it's not simple

i'd definitely like a link. sabermetrics too, if you have it.
 
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