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smackababy

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I don't think it's unbalanced, because you have to give up some pretty good perks to use bling

Most people don't live long enough to both with scavenger and steady aim isn't something people use either. The entire idea behind attachments, I feel, was to give the player a choice how they would play. Now, they can have the best of both worlds and it makes the game unbalanced, I believe. Everyone now uses a silencer and red dot. That defeats the purpose of having a one attachment per gun rule.
 

mugs

Lifer
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Most people don't live long enough to both with scavenger and steady aim isn't something people use either. The entire idea behind attachments, I feel, was to give the player a choice how they would play. Now, they can have the best of both worlds and it makes the game unbalanced, I believe. Everyone now uses a silencer and red dot. That defeats the purpose of having a one attachment per gun rule.

The idea behind perks is also to give people a choice of how they would play.

Steady aim isn't in the same group as bling. The alternatives to bling are marathon, sleight of hand, scavenger and one man army. All of those can be very useful perks depending on your play style. I would probably pick any of those perks before I'd use bling. I haven't noticed many people using silencers in Team Deathmatch; the majority of the weapons I find on the ground don't have bling.
 

bucwylde23

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The idea behind perks is also to give people a choice of how they would play.

Steady aim isn't in the same group as bling. The alternatives to bling are marathon, sleight of hand, scavenger and one man army. All of those can be very useful perks depending on your play style. I would probably pick any of those perks before I'd use bling. I haven't noticed many people using silencers in Team Deathmatch; the majority of the weapons I find on the ground don't have bling.

yep... sleight of hand is extremely useful if using any of the LMG's. The thing everyone uses now is akimbo shotguns that have a range better than most of the assault rifles for some reason. I picked up someone's akimbo rangers or whatever after i killed them, and I was able to shoot people from pretty far away and get a kill with one shot. Talk about overpowered weapons.
 

bucwylde23

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I gave the ACR a shot with a silencer and thought it was rubbish. I was emptying entire clips into people and they just turn around and shoot back or just run for cover. I quite like it with a Holographic sight though.

But still I just want my AK47 back with iron sights and FMJ - there's nothing better.

The AK-47 is not as good in this game as in unfortunately, at least to me. It kicks a LOT more and has less range. The only way I found it to be controllable is when I put a silencer on it. It's sad because it was my 2nd favorite gun in COD4.

Before I unlocked the AK i was mad because if i prestiged I'd lose it, but once using it i didn't even care and prestiged right away. The guns you start out with are better. (SCAR-H, RPD, etc)
 

Glitchny

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yep... sleight of hand is extremely useful if using any of the LMG's. The thing everyone uses now is akimbo shotguns that have a range better than most of the assault rifles for some reason. I picked up someone's akimbo rangers or whatever after i killed them, and I was able to shoot people from pretty far away and get a kill with one shot. Talk about overpowered weapons.

yea the Akimbo rangers, and 1880's are completely OP. They range is stupid large and it's pretty much a 1 shot kill.
 

dougp

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Is anyone in this thread playing on PC?

Why would they? This is the console forum - if you want to hang out with PC guys, or find someone to MP with, hit the PC forum. If you're looking for a comparison if someone has played both versions - just ask, you'll probably get your answer faster! :awe:
 

fatpat268

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yea the Akimbo rangers, and 1880's are completely OP. They range is stupid large and it's pretty much a 1 shot kill.

Most of the shotguns seem to be a 1 shot kill at range. I swear I keep getting killed with 1 shot from what I'd estimate 10 yards away with pretty much any shotgun.

Pretty annoying
 

Glitchny

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Most of the shotguns seem to be a 1 shot kill at range. I swear I keep getting killed with 1 shot from what I'd estimate 10 yards away with pretty much any shotgun.

Pretty annoying

Yep and tons of people are using them now.
 

state 08

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I still can's stop using the Famas.

It lacks a lil' in the Damage department, so I use FMJ and Stopping Power as well with it.
 

state 08

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I still can't stop using the Famas.

It lacks a lil' in the Damage department, so I use FMJ and Stopping Power as well with it.
 

Gooberlx2

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I still can't stop using the Famas.

It lacks a lil' in the Damage department, so I use FMJ and Stopping Power as well with it.

I just picked up the m16a4 today. It just might replace the scar-h as my favorite. It seems equally deadly at range, but the 3-round burst is more potent and manageable than the scar's full auto.

I just have to retrain myself to repeatedly pull the trigger if I round a corner and get surprised. A little less spray-and-pray ability.

It seems to reload faster as well..so maybe I no longer really need to use sleight-of-hand. I dig marathon as an alternative, but bling with the noob-tube and FMJ might be nice. The others I use are Stopping Power Pro and Ninja Pro.
 
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Kabob

Lifer
Sep 5, 2004
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Yeah i'm starting to realize the spawns in this game are shit. What really pisses me off in domination is how it will spawn the enemy team behind you when you've forced them down to one flag.
The enemy team had 2 of the flags and had us pinned down on one of them. I got killed and spawned RIGHT BESIDE one of the enemy flags.
That's bullshit, if I manage to corner the other team I shouldn't have to worry about them spawning behind me. It totally takes away all strategy and makes it luck.

Impossible, IW said they fixed it. Are you calling IW liars?

Depends on the gun. For something like the M4 or the M16, I absolutely need the RDS or Holo. Same with the P90. I can't stand the zoom you get when looking down the irons with these guns, it's very distracting.

The RPD though, has some of the best iron sights in the game, IMO.

I typically use the M4 without a RDS, I greatly prefer scavenger to Bling so I try to use guns with managable iron sights. ACR/SCAR probably have the best.

I only use the iron sights on all guns. The thing I loved about CoD4 was if you wanted to use the red dot, you had to lose having silencers or noob tube. With the Bling, noobs can have red dot and silenced guns, which is unbalanced even though it is more realistic.

Bling = noobish? That's news to me...I thought the fact that all you get is a second attachment was sort of the point. You can't pick up more ammo off of other people's guns so you've got a few shots to make it count. I tried Bling at first but gave it the axe pretty quick, I kept running out of ammo.
 

Kabob

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Also, yes, bling is for noobs.

Bling is about as noobish as an AC-130 or Tactical Nuke...

So what if you get 2 attachments? When was it decided that you were ONLY supposed to get 1? Bling has it's uses, I don't see anything even remotely noobish with using a RDS and silencer or EOTech and FMJ or whatever, having a slightly better picture AND being silent isn't some dramatically better advantage.

The ability to run indefinitely, reload more rapidly, or replenish your ammunition seems to me to be just as much of an advantage depending on what sort of player you are. Like I said I tried Bling and didn't think it was nearly as useful as Scavenger.
 

d4mo

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Jun 24, 2005
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Yeah, they Akimbo 1880's are out of control. They really need to be fixed in an upcoming patch.
 

AstroManLuca

Lifer
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I've been toying with my builds a lot lately and last night I did really well with this one:

FAMAS + ACOG
Scavenger Pro
Stopping Power Pro
Steady Aim (ACOG scope aims really slowly)
With this one, the idea is to hang back a bit and semi-snipe. I hate the sniper rifles but the rapid 3-shot burst of the FAMAS is great, especially with Stopping Power.

Also this one:

SCAR-H + Silencer
Scavenger Pro
Cold Blooded
Ninja

I picked the SCAR for my stealth build because it does more damage than the other guns and has really good irons, so I don't feel like I need Bling and a scope to do well. I decided to give up the heartbeat sensor... it's helped me a few times, but it's too distracting in other cases and losing Scavenger hurts too much.

Oh, and I can't wait to try this one:

ACR + M203 Grenade Launcher
Thumper x2
Frag
Scavenger Pro
Danger Close
Haven't decided on Perk 3

Currently I'm testing out this setup with Stopping Power and the M4 (since I haven't unlocked Danger Close or the ACR yet). It's funny. Other people hate it.
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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Bling is about as noobish as an AC-130 or Tactical Nuke...

So what if you get 2 attachments? When was it decided that you were ONLY supposed to get 1? Bling has it's uses, I don't see anything even remotely noobish with using a RDS and silencer or EOTech and FMJ or whatever, having a slightly better picture AND being silent isn't some dramatically better advantage.

The ability to run indefinitely, reload more rapidly, or replenish your ammunition seems to me to be just as much of an advantage depending on what sort of player you are. Like I said I tried Bling and didn't think it was nearly as useful as Scavenger.

In CoD4 you had to make a choice: either have worse long range aim (lets face it, the majority of people can't use iron sights) and be harder to detect, or have an easy to use optic and show up on radar.

This is completely offset in MW2. This changes it so everyone can be stealthy and have a point and shoot gun.

BTW, nuke is not what I would call noobish. I have dropped 8 so far, and it takes a fair bit of skill and surivability.

Not that bling matters much to me anyway, I only play 3rd person now.
 

bucwylde23

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One thing I noticed a lot this weekend (at least 3-4 times): People are getting on opposite teams in domination (probably other game modes too, but I only play domination) and trying to work together to get nukes. They both set up tactical insertions in some remote corner and start killing each other taking turns I'm guessing, or one person will do it one round and the other does it the next. The way I noticed it was I kept seeing the same skull icon when your teammates get killed over and over again off to the side of the map in Underpass in the back alley, where no one was fighting.
I've made it my mission to ruin these attempts. I killed the same 2 guys in 3-4 different spots attempting this and they finally left the game. The funny thing is, they get REALLY pissed at me when I stop it and bitch like I'm doing something wrong. It's actually very satisfying to ruin it for them.
 

Kabob

Lifer
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In CoD4 you had to make a choice: either have worse long range aim (lets face it, the majority of people can't use iron sights) and be harder to detect, or have an easy to use optic and show up on radar.

This is completely offset in MW2. This changes it so everyone can be stealthy and have a point and shoot gun.

BTW, nuke is not what I would call noobish. I have dropped 8 so far, and it takes a fair bit of skill and surivability.

Not that bling matters much to me anyway, I only play 3rd person now.

I didn't say Nuke was noobish, I'm saying that to call Bling noobish is about on the same level as calling the Nuke noobish.

Once again, why are you so set on using only the rules of CoD 4 with 1 attachment and crappy iron sights were the rules? Just because suddenly everyone can have a silencer and a dot doesn't mean that it's totally unfair. 4 of my 5 classes don't use an optic as it is (nor Bling).

In CoD 4 some guns had great irons (RPD, AK-47, MP5, P90, Skorpion, Mini Uzi), I don't remember anyone ever yelling out "YOU NOOB, YOU'RE USING AN AK-47 WITH NON-CRAPPY SIGHTS AND A SILENCER!"
 

DrunkenSano

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I definitely don't see Bling as being noobish. If you're using Bling, you're giving up an important perk like Scavenger. Ever since I made it to Scar-H, M16, and ACR rifles, I found that I can't play a map without Scavenger. I tried Bling out for those weapons and everytime, I'd kill around 5 people and run out of ammo. So to say that Bling is some ultimate perk is pretty far fetched in my opinion.


One thing I noticed a lot this weekend (at least 3-4 times): People are getting on opposite teams in domination (probably other game modes too, but I only play domination) and trying to work together to get nukes. They both set up tactical insertions in some remote corner and start killing each other taking turns I'm guessing, or one person will do it one round and the other does it the next. The way I noticed it was I kept seeing the same skull icon when your teammates get killed over and over again off to the side of the map in Underpass in the back alley, where no one was fighting.
I've made it my mission to ruin these attempts. I killed the same 2 guys in 3-4 different spots attempting this and they finally left the game. The funny thing is, they get REALLY pissed at me when I stop it and bitch like I'm doing something wrong. It's actually very satisfying to ruin it for them.

It'd be hilarious if IW decided to do a sweep in their database of those who have used nukes before and if they find a string of 20+ kills in a row of the same victim on their way to the nuke Kill Streak, they wipe that player's stats back to level 1. Justifiable and funny to punish those abusers.
 
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AstroManLuca

Lifer
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In CoD4 you had to make a choice: either have worse long range aim (lets face it, the majority of people can't use iron sights) and be harder to detect, or have an easy to use optic and show up on radar.

This is completely offset in MW2. This changes it so everyone can be stealthy and have a point and shoot gun.

BTW, nuke is not what I would call noobish. I have dropped 8 so far, and it takes a fair bit of skill and surivability.

Not that bling matters much to me anyway, I only play 3rd person now.

As Kabob pointed out, Bling forces you to give up Scavenger. And if you aren't good enough to use iron sights, you'll probably be shooting and missing so much you'll use up your limited ammo, or you won't survive long enough for it to matter (which means you aren't really that dangerous).

Either way, it's quite difficult to get anywhere with Bling. It seems nice at first and maybe a good way of leveling the playing field for certain people, but in the end it prevents you from being a real threat.
 

mugs

Lifer
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In CoD4 you had to make a choice: either have worse long range aim (lets face it, the majority of people can't use iron sights) and be harder to detect, or have an easy to use optic and show up on radar.

This is completely offset in MW2. This changes it so everyone can be stealthy and have a point and shoot gun.

The point you keep missing is that there is a new trade-off if you use bling, and it's a pretty big trade-off. That's why it's not unbalanced. It's balanced by the advantage everyone else gets from not using bling. I don't feel like I'm at a disadvantage because I don't use bling; I think sleight of hand is better.


It'd be hilarious if IW decided to do a sweep in their database of those who have used nukes before and if they find a string of 20+ kills in a row of the same victim on their way to the nuke Kill Streak, they wipe that player's stats back to level 1. Justifiable and funny to punish those abusers.

That would be awesome. I'd say that rises to the level of cheating, because you automatically win the game when you use the nuke. Cheating is against the Xbox Live Code of Conduct, so that warrants a complaint to Microsoft. Ruining the game for everyone else is not cool.
 
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