Official Modern Warfare 2 thread

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Kabob
That leaves a really bad taste in my mouth if it is legit. I understand IW wanting it to be raw and realistic but I think that might be pushing things a little too far. It's not been confirmed official but I'm pretty sure it is, I remember seeing in one of the early trailers a group of bad guys moving through said environment.

Oh shit, if that is true I don't know what is going to happen... fuck.

Perhaps the person recording that video is going against the mission objectives on purpose. I really fucking hope so because I wouldn't be able to play that mission otherwise.

I hope IW comments on this before the game is released so I can cancel my preorder if it is true.

I finally watched the full video, he's doing what the mission says (I'm pretty certain). Someone mentioned that he'd read on another forum that you could skip it but I'm not sure where he got his info from...I too would like to hear IW's comment. It surprises me though that if this is legit that they would sell the game with it in there and not mention it? They should have known it'd be highly controversial...

 

[maziwanka]

ummm. how is that any diff from gta? and it's always terrorists versus counterterrorists in online mp. i mean i think it's hilarious

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: maziwanka
ummm. how is that any diff from gta? and it's always terrorists versus counterterrorists in online mp. i mean i think it's hilarious

In GTA you are not required to kill civilians. Also, you are in third-person.

In Counter-Strike, you can play as a terrorist, but you're only shooting at other military guys. May as well be "red team vs. blue team."

This is different.

EDIT: Anyway, what I'd like to see would be to replace that level with a cutscene or perhaps put you in the role of, say, a police officer, air marshal, or armed civilian watching the thing unfold. Maybe make it a scripted "hopeless mission" where you are guaranteed to die but you are at least shooting some fucking terrorists, not civilians!

 

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: maziwanka
ummm. how is that any diff from gta? and it's always terrorists versus counterterrorists in online mp. i mean i think it's hilarious

In GTA you are not required to kill civilians. Also, you are in third-person.

In Counter-Strike, you can play as a terrorist, but you're only shooting at other military guys. May as well be "red team vs. blue team."

This is different.

EDIT: Anyway, what I'd like to see would be to replace that level with a cutscene or perhaps put you in the role of, say, a police officer, air marshal, or armed civilian watching the thing unfold. Maybe make it a scripted "hopeless mission" where you are guaranteed to die but you are at least shooting some fucking terrorists, not civilians!

Spoilers Inside - 100% spot on Luca. In GTA you can choose to go run over people or whatever in a cartooney sandbox world and then go pick up a star to lower your wanted level...in this it's a very realistic intimate setting where you are literally stalking/mowing down helpless civilians who are just trying to get away. Not only that but it looks like something you are required to do as a part of the story.

I too would rather this have been a video clip or from the view of a bystander, not necessarily something I want to play.

I know spoilers have been through around already but let me add this one.


Spoiler:














In the video you walk up and see a man draging the shot up body of a woman across the ground trying to get away. The player walks up, shoots the man several times and then shoots the body. Then you walk a little further and there's a balcony overlooking a lower part of said airport. The player starts firing at the mass of people downstairs. He walks downstairs and sees an injured guy trying to crawl away and shoots him.














/spoiler





Not exactly my idea of fun to play scenario...but maybe I'm just old fashioned.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Well, from what some people are saying, the level is optional (you don't have to play it at all). I hope that is true, but its mere inclusion is still pretty offensive to me. There is no reason they couldn't have shown it as a cutscene.

I'll wait to see how IW/Activision responds to the inevitable media shitstorm that will ensue. Right now they're just deleting the leaked footage as it's uploaded to YouTube, but at some point it'll get out and they'll have to come up with an answer. I hope they just cut the whole damn thing out.

 

[YoungGun21]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Well, from what some people are saying, the level is optional (you don't have to play it at all). I hope that is true, but its mere inclusion is still pretty offensive to me. There is no reason they couldn't have shown it as a cutscene.

I'll wait to see how IW/Activision responds to the inevitable media shitstorm that will ensue. Right now they're just deleting the leaked footage as it's uploaded to YouTube, but at some point it'll get out and they'll have to come up with an answer. I hope they just cut the whole damn thing out.

It is part of their game. The game is rated M. I don't see a problem with it. It is just a GAME afterall.

 

[bowdenball]

It is part of their game. The game is rated M. I don't see a problem with it. It is just a GAME afterall.[/quote]

Agreed...

 

[fatpat268]

Originally posted by: YoungGun21

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Well, from what some people are saying, the level is optional (you don't have to play it at all). I hope that is true, but its mere inclusion is still pretty offensive to me. There is no reason they couldn't have shown it as a cutscene.

I'll wait to see how IW/Activision responds to the inevitable media shitstorm that will ensue. Right now they're just deleting the leaked footage as it's uploaded to YouTube, but at some point it'll get out and they'll have to come up with an answer. I hope they just cut the whole damn thing out.

It is part of their game. The game is rated M. I don't see a problem with it. It is just a GAME afterall.

Completely agreed.

It doesn't bother me either way. Same way that it doesn't bother me that I have the ability to run over people in GTA or play as the Nazis in WWII games. This is pure fiction, only that you're progressing it. I know the difference between game and reality and me shooting a pixelated civilian isn't going to overwhelm my moral boundaries, regardless of it being in a first person or third person viewpoint.

I'm not attacking anyone, I do know that people have fundamentally different beliefs than I do, but any backlash MW2 will get will probably be blown way out of proportion.

Regardless, I can't freakin wait to play MW2.

 

[AstroManLuca]

I'm just saying I don't think I'd be able to complete that mission if it requires you to shoot civilians. I just don't think I could do it. I know this makes me look like a pussy but it's the truth. In RPGs I always play good characters. And I don't have a problem playing as the bad guys usually, but not when it involves doing things that are wrong, even in the context of a video game.

I don't have the stomach for that sort of thing. I can watch it happen but I couldn't do it myself, and because of that, if it's required to advance the game, it would prevent me from finishing the SP campaign. Don't feel like buying a game where I won't be able to access the whole thing. That's why I want the option to bypass the whole mission entirely.

 

[Kabob]

So, if they made a game where the idea is you had to stalk women, graphically rape them, and then murder them would it be OK because it's "just a game?" I mean, where exactly is the line between tasteful and tasteless?

 

[bowdenball]

Originally posted by: Kabob
So, if they made a game where the idea is you had to stalk women, graphically rape them, and then murder them would it be OK because it's "just a game?" I mean, where exactly is the line between tasteful and tasteless?

To me, that's totally different. This game is "modern warfare" where, for once, it appears that you get to play the role of the enemy/terrorist. With that role comes a different value set and actions. Hell, the mission isn't even mandatory according to those who've seen it. Sure, it'll piss some people off, but the extra exposure wont hurt sales.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I watch graphical crap I wouldn't do irl on TV all the time. If it's interactive I'm not suddenly going to rush out and start partaking in these things personally.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Originally posted by: Kabob
So, if they made a game where the idea is you had to stalk women, graphically rape them, and then murder them would it be OK because it's "just a game?" I mean, where exactly is the line between tasteful and tasteless?

If I find it tasteless and it's something I won't enjoy, then I won't buy it. MW2's not as bad as games like GTA IV where you go around killing cops, civilians, use a hooker then kill her for cash, etc and even GTA IV isn't bad if you can separate gaming from reality. When you play as a bad guy, you do bad things and the plot fits in with what terrorists do. Hell, it's worse if you play as a terrorist and plant a bomb or nuke that kills even more people with one boom.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

IW usually does interesting things. This level is probably designed to show you just how brutal and sick these people are. It isn't designed to make you jump up and down and go yeah headshot on the blonde chick.

 

[fatpat268]

Originally posted by: Kabob
So, if they made a game where the idea is you had to stalk women, graphically rape them, and then murder them would it be OK because it's "just a game?" I mean, where exactly is the line between tasteful and tasteless?

Not that I condone that type of game, but if that type of game would ever come out, it wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't play it, but once again, I know the difference between that and reality.

A pixellated human being in a game has no emotion and aren't real, so why should I care?

 

[Kabob]

IGN's take on it

Modern Warfare 2 Opens with Terror

October 27, 2009 - The following story contains spoilers from the Modern Warfare 2 campaign. If you do not wish to know anything about the game, please stop reading.

A leaked video from France surfaced on the internet this morning showing what appears to be the opening single-player campaign mission for Modern Warfare 2. In it, the players apparently assume the role of a terrorist, and are seen entering an airport through an elevator with the rest of your squad members.

The team enters near the baggage check area where about 20 civilians are standing before being gunned down ruthlessly by your squadmates. The rest of the level takes the team through the airport shooting civilians lying on the ground and running away in fear. The graphic depictions in this sequence are some of the most violent-looking and realistic scenes we've seen in a video game. This could cause controversy from the mainstream media for obvious reasons.

Activision or Infinity Ward have not returned requests for comment on this video at this time. We do know Modern Warfare 2 has officially leaked in France when a video from yesterday showed the new 3rd-person perspective camera angle, which Infinity Ward did confirm.

Have you seen the video? What are your thoughts?

Further Analysis
From what we can gather from the dialogue and gritty video, the role of the playable character is that of a C.I.A. operative who has infiltrated the group in order to gather intel. The loading screen, which reveals the transition between playable characters and factions, begins with a C.I.A. logo and morphs into the logo of the Russian ultranationalist organization which the game's antagonist, Vladimir Makarov, leads. The graphical transition is accompanied by an alteration to the C.I.A. text directly below the logo, which is then extended and followed by illegible words, presumably identifying the official title of the ultranationalist faction. Clues after the loading screen are hard to identify, however, the theory is later reaffirmed when Makarov shoots your character as you attempt to climb into the getaway van, and says "Here's your message," almost teasing your character for the presumption that your infiltration had gone unrecognized.

We're still awaiting official comment from Activision, but we don't expect much insight into the context of the footage. Nevertheless, stay tuned to IGN for updates.

Nothing official yet, guess we have to wait and see.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Well, here's our answer: http://www.vg247.com/2009/10/2...e-through-checkpoints/

It will in fact be skippable. That's good.

 

[SEAL62505]

I WANT TO PLAY IT NOW!!! Argghhh... all of this media coverage is killing me!

 

[leglez]

Well I saw the limited edition modern warfare 2 console last night. I was at walmart in electronics at like 3:00 in the morning and asked the guy something about mw2 and he then pulled out a brown box with 11/10/09 wrote on it and opened it up and there are 2 mw2 consoles. He then opened the box up to show me the actual 360 and game and everything. I tried talking him into selling me a copy of just the game early, no luck though

 

[gorcorps]

Well I saw the limited edition modern warfare 2 console last night. I was at walmart in electronics at like 3:00 in the morning and asked the guy something about mw2 and he then pulled out a brown box with 11/10/09 wrote on it and opened it up and there are 2 mw2 consoles. He then opened the box up to show me the actual 360 and game and everything. I tried talking him into selling me a copy of just the game early, no luck though

Should have grabbed it and ran.

 

[bucwylde23]

Can't wait for this game, next week can't come soon enough.

 

[YoungGun21]

Can't wait for this game, next week can't come soon enough.

agreed

 

[Saint Nick]

Did you guys see the 25 kill streak video with the nuke?

Legendary.

 

[SandEagle]

at first this was my most anticipated game of the year, but now I'm even more excited for the New Super Mario Bros on the Wii. gonna have to rebuy a Wii just for it.

 

[Xylitol]

1 more week