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Beev

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Really? I mean really? Based on what the level is you honestly think I'm asking them for more? I have zero plans to buy MW3. Nothing can change my mind. I did actually like No Russian, though, but asking for "more" levels like that would be silly.
 

digiram

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COD is a social experience. It's simple, it's social, it's fun. TBH, if none of my buddys played this game, I'd probably retire from it or rent for the short campaign.
 

digiram

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Actually, there's more to it. The customization options in mp is a real hook as well. Also, the co-op modes.. zombies especially (man, I'm gonna miss that). There's nothing like finishing the easteregg missions for Shangri La and Moon with a bunch of friends. It's just amazing.
 

BD2003

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Can we expect one every four years?




It's not off at all. EA adds a few novelties/tweaks each year to Madden, so customers end up paying full price for these tweaks + roster update.

COD does the exact same thing, except for roster updates, it's maps. You said yourself all you want are tweaks and new maps. You're content paying full price for what barely equates to an expansion pack... that's fine. We're not... that's fine, too.

The only thing madden and CoD have in common is that they come out annually and are popular. Each CoD has no more in common with one another than sequels in any other series. A new sports game makes the old one obsolete but every CoD since MW1 still makes the XBL top 20 each month....because theyre all different games. The madden comparison is just plain wrong.

I know it's hard to believe, but with the right amount of resources it's possible to churn out good games full of content on an annual basis. Activision uses two teams for CoD. Ubi even gets away with one HUGE team for AC - although that's arguably quite a bit more expansion-y with the reusing of assets between games....something CoD doesn't do as far as I've noticed.
 
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Stuxnet

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Each CoD has no more in common with one another than sequels in any other series.

You mean besides the entire design of the multiplayer, right? Static environments, killstreaks, perks, etc?

Same game, new maps, reskinned weapons. Just because you don't see/feel the similarities doesn't mean they don't exist. Your disagreement doesn't inherently invalidate others' opinions. If this year's expansion pack keeps your juices flowin', then more power to you.

I know it's hard to believe, but with the right amount of resources it's possible to churn out good games full of content on an annual basis.

"Good" is a very relative and personal term and its definition is up for huge debate. If by "good" you mean "lots of sales," then yes, CoD is good. By that definition, Madden is also "good." The definition *I* use for good is a game that pulls me in and keeps me coming back. CoD is having a very difficult time doing that for me these days because the game feels so damn repetitive. My subconscious sees it as a polished/tuned version of last year's game. If that's good enough for you, fine, but recognize we don't all have to share your view.

Tiny bumps in graphical fidelity combined with a few new perks, killstreaks, and new maps isn't going to cut it forever. How much patience each of us has for that is different. CoD 4's brand of shooter was still new enough to me that I got off regularly on MW2 and, to a lesser degree, Black Ops. My time is up, though, and that's all I'm saying. Others got their fill with CoD4 and don't see enough if the other titles to keep playing it.

Whether you like it or not, the longer Activision keeps this cycle of rehashing up, the more and more people there will be disagreeing with you. There's a reason there's so much more hype right now for BF3 than there is for MW3. We could have a never ending debate on that if we wanted to, and I don't, but it's going to be tough to bury your head in the sand when the two go head to head this fall.

At any rate, I think your issue is you don't recognize that the basis of this entire argument is purely subjective, but you pass your claims and opinions off as if they're somehow grounded in irrefutable fact. They're not.
 

Malak

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Arguing about CoD is even more pointless than arguing politics. People that don't like CoD should http, your opinions are not wanted.
 
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Arguing about CoD is even more pointless than arguing politics. People that don't like CoD should http, your opinions are not wanted.

Whatever, get over yourself. For every game out there, there are people who like it and people who dislike. When a game gets crazy popular, it's common for the people who dislike it to make their voices louder to drown out those who gush over it like it's the next coming.

God forbid we have a discussion on a forum.

Post #1: This game is awesome!
Post #2: I agree with you!
Post #3: I agree with you too!
Post #4: I also agree!
Post #5: This.
Post #6: Best game ever!
Post #7: Yay!

Sounds like a boring thread to me. If you don't have anything better to post than to tell people to shut up, then YOUR opinion isn't wanted.
 

BD2003

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You mean besides the entire design of the multiplayer, right? Static environments, killstreaks, perks, etc?

Same game, new maps, reskinned weapons. Just because you don't see/feel the similarities doesn't mean they don't exist. Your disagreement doesn't inherently invalidate others' opinions. If this year's expansion pack keeps your juices flowin', then more power to you.



"Good" is a very relative and personal term and its definition is up for huge debate. If by "good" you mean "lots of sales," then yes, CoD is good. By that definition, Madden is also "good." The definition *I* use for good is a game that pulls me in and keeps me coming back. CoD is having a very difficult time doing that for me these days because the game feels so damn repetitive. My subconscious sees it as a polished/tuned version of last year's game. If that's good enough for you, fine, but recognize we don't all have to share your view.

Tiny bumps in graphical fidelity combined with a few new perks, killstreaks, and new maps isn't going to cut it forever. How much patience each of us has for that is different. CoD 4's brand of shooter was still new enough to me that I got off regularly on MW2 and, to a lesser degree, Black Ops. My time is up, though, and that's all I'm saying. Others got their fill with CoD4 and don't see enough if the other titles to keep playing it.

Whether you like it or not, the longer Activision keeps this cycle of rehashing up, the more and more people there will be disagreeing with you. There's a reason there's so much more hype right now for BF3 than there is for MW3. We could have a never ending debate on that if we wanted to, and I don't, but it's going to be tough to bury your head in the sand when the two go head to head this fall.

At any rate, I think your issue is you don't recognize that the basis of this entire argument is purely subjective, but you pass your claims and opinions off as if they're somehow grounded in irrefutable fact. They're not.

I know exactly what you're saying. There's clearly more hype for BF3. And it's going to be great too.

It's hard for any game to maintain it's popularity. CoD will eventually decline as people move on to a new game.

But whether or not CoD has more in common with a sequel or a sports game just isn't a matter of opinion. It IS a matter of fact. No less changes between each CoD than does between each Halo or Gears or even *gasp*....Battlefield. All are tried and true formulas that aren't going to be flipped upside down. If there is a difference it's one of magnitude because most series don't come out on a yearly basis.

I'm not trying to convince anyone that each CoD is a revoltuion. But theyre always full new games, I dont see how anyone can call it an expansion pack without calling every other frequent sequel an expansion pack. It might not be enough change for everyone to justify buying it every year, but the sport game analogy is just terrible, period.

I can't even imagine how madden could possibly change at all each year at this point. It's not like the NFL added new modes or well...changed anything at all.
 
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Arkaign

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I have a feeling CoD will evolve more after this cycle is done. It'll probably keep a lot of the successful formula, but offer more modes/options. Every time a console starts to get really old like X360 and PS3 are, the real innovations start driving the die-hards to the PC. Then the next consoles come through, and everything shakes up again.

I know that people who see BF3 in action on a decent PC will probably be like why I am I wasting time on CoD? Aside from the social-order players who've invested a ton of time in the infantry-only mechanics of CoD. BC2 is two idiots playing in a sandbox built into a toy wagon in comparison to BF2/BF3 scale.

It's all driven by sales, if sales for MW3 show a lag compared to MW2 and Black Ops, the innovations will probably be stronger in the next installment.
 

Malak

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Whatever, get over yourself. For every game out there, there are people who like it and people who dislike. When a game gets crazy popular, it's common for the people who dislike it to make their voices louder to drown out those who gush over it like it's the next coming.

God forbid we have a discussion on a forum.

Post #1: This game is awesome!
Post #2: I agree with you!
Post #3: I agree with you too!
Post #4: I also agree!
Post #5: This.
Post #6: Best game ever!
Post #7: Yay!

Sounds like a boring thread to me. If you don't have anything better to post than to tell people to shut up, then YOUR opinion isn't wanted.

The thread is not here for your enjoyment if you are not interested in the game! All you are doing is trolling a thread, nobody fuckin cares if you don't plan on buying the game or think it sucks or blah blah blah. I tell you what, go make a thread about a game you do like and discuss that. You know that game about the guy who does your mom.... what was it called? Oh yeah, STFU2: Don't Speak.
 

pontifex

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I like the gameplay, the weapons, customization, and the story of CoD, thats why I play it.

I hate the BF series with a passion. I hate the gameplay, I hate how the weapons handle, i hate the huge maps where you spend more time running than fighting.

2 different games, 2 different styles of play. not everything is for everyone, thats why we have choices.
 

BD2003

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I played a fair bit of it at the XP event last week. Its basically what CoD fans have been waiting for...a return to MW1 weapon handling, with a whole bunch of toys, and a lot less getting raped by streaks and explosives.
 

DrunkenSano

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The thread is not here for your enjoyment if you are not interested in the game! All you are doing is trolling a thread, nobody fuckin cares if you don't plan on buying the game or think it sucks or blah blah blah. I tell you what, go make a thread about a game you do like and discuss that. You know that game about the guy who does your mom.... what was it called? Oh yeah, STFU2: Don't Speak.

You seriously need to take the CoD penis out of your ass, it's annoying. I enjoy CoD and don't mind contrasting opinions, because guess what, it's an opinion. If you don't like people who disagree with you, you should probably never leave your room and just play/sleep/eat CoD all day long.


As for MW3, looking at the trailer it seems very interesting. Along with the gametrailer episode where the dev or whoever that MW3 rep was saying they are trying to return more to the core of the game which is personal skills, not kill streaks, that will make you a good or bad player. One downside I see is that there is no improvement in graphics, not sure if anyone noticed it.
 

dougp

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You seriously need to take the CoD penis out of your ass, it's annoying. I enjoy CoD and don't mind contrasting opinions, because guess what, it's an opinion. If you don't like people who disagree with you, you should probably never leave your room and just play/sleep/eat CoD all day long.


As for MW3, looking at the trailer it seems very interesting. Along with the gametrailer episode where the dev or whoever that MW3 rep was saying they are trying to return more to the core of the game which is personal skills, not kill streaks, that will make you a good or bad player. One downside I see is that there is no improvement in graphics, not sure if anyone noticed it.

You're not going to see a huge bump in graphics - much like the Halo series, or even BF (I know the new version has a "newer" engine though). Instead, you'll probably see higher resolution textures and perhaps new lighting effects. You probably won't see a true graphical improvement until the next generation of consoles comes out.
 

BD2003

Lifer
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You're not going to see a huge bump in graphics - much like the Halo series, or even BF (I know the new version has a "newer" engine though). Instead, you'll probably see higher resolution textures and perhaps new lighting effects. You probably won't see a true graphical improvement until the next generation of consoles comes out.

Yeah. There are minor differences. The lighting/shadowing is improved - I definitely saw some shadows warp around corners and react to light sources in ways it never did in the past when I played it.

The animation of the AI soldiers also seemed a fair bit more realistic, and the shaders on guns and such seem a little more sophisticated. Shrubbery and other vegetation looked better as well.

Also judging by the trailers, seems like a lot of work went into scripted destruction and other cinematic stuff that probably doesn't really apply to MP.

Minor stuff, but theres really only so much you can do when running a game at 60FPS on a 6 year old console. Still looks fantastic when you consider how perfectly smooth the frame rate is. I definitely came away with the impression that it looked better than the last.
 
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American Gunner

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Wow, Malak is really helping his cause. Getting mad at someones opinion and pulling out a mom joke. You should probably be heading off to the 4th grade right about now.
 

Arkaign

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You're not going to see a huge bump in graphics - much like the Halo series, or even BF (I know the new version has a "newer" engine though). Instead, you'll probably see higher resolution textures and perhaps new lighting effects. You probably won't see a true graphical improvement until the next generation of consoles comes out.

I think what's been done with the X360 and PS3 over the years has been pretty impressive, just as it was with the original Xbox and PS1/PS2. Seems like the devs get better and better at using the resources of the system, then start to run into a wall near the end of the run.

The engine can really make a gigantic difference though. I play most of this type of stuff on PC, and play mostly fighting/sports on my consoles, but still I'll be really interested to see how the FrostBite 2 engine works on the console BF3 versions. It'd be awesome if it actually looks pretty close.

Where I think the CoD series can really open things up would be to begin to offer more modes, while still keeping the small/fast twitch modes available as well. But something closer to BF would be interesting, rolling objectives, small vehicles/turrets, squad play. It'd be cool to see, and I might even begin to like CoD more than BF series.
 

Arkaign

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Wow, Malak is really helping his cause. Getting mad at someones opinion and pulling out a mom joke. You should probably be heading off to the 4th grade right about now.

Yeah the whole point of discussion threads is to share ideas, lols, thoughts, all kinds of stuff. Obviously not everyone will agree. Quite often the most interesting things comes from constrasting varied opinions and perspectives.

If every game thread was only to sieg heil the game in question, and no criticism allowed, it'd be pretty damned boring and pointless.
 

Saint Nick

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I originally wasn't excited for this game but I am now. I probably still won't pay for the add-ons or anything.
 

pontifex

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doesn't take me anywhere.

also:

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so it was registered by some random dude who can do whatever he wants with it. the official site is www.callofduty.com/mw3.
I could make a site called pepsirocks.com and make it go to coke.com
 
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digiram

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Where I think the CoD series can really open things up would be to begin to offer more modes, while still keeping the small/fast twitch modes available as well. But something closer to BF would be interesting, rolling objectives, small vehicles/turrets, squad play. It'd be cool to see, and I might even begin to like CoD more than BF series.

That's a dumb move. There's already a battlefield type game out there and it's called Battlefield.

If you like BF play style, then play BF.

For me and millions of others, there is plenty of content and gameplay modes per release of the past few COD games.
 

BD2003

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That's a dumb move. There's already a battlefield type game out there and it's called Battlefield.

If you like BF play style, then play BF.

For me and millions of others, there is plenty of content and gameplay modes per release of the past few COD games.

WaW had vehicles, and it was terrible. CoD 3's MP was very battlefieldy, and it was such a departure that no one liked it. And rightfully so, because it sucked.

There have always been MG emplacements, but they're deathtraps that no one use. MW3 has controllable turrets and even a mini-tank robot, but they're still just sideshows to the infantry combat. As they should be.

Next thing you know people are going to want dialog trees in CoD.
 

digiram

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Next thing you know people are going to want dialog trees in CoD.

Haha, lol. For real though. If your formula = win. Why would you want to copy someone else's formula, especially from a competitor, that's trying to catch up to you? That's like EA trying to make BF more like COD.. oh yah, they already tried that with bringing back MOH, and it failed.

So for those of you that don't already know, the gameplay mechanics in MW3 will be very similar to MW2's and BLOPs and MW1.. like it or not. I like it, so I'm very much so .. looking forward to it, and will probably get the hardened edition.

Can't wait for the game to be released so that we can actually get some real gameplay discussions going.
 

BD2003

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After playing it myself I'm pretty sure this is going to be the least divisive CoD among fans. The balance is just right...MW1 style weapons, balanced perks, great maps, lots of new toys. The kill confirmed game mode is just plain brilliant in it's simplicity - think TDM with no camping.

And spec ops survival might possibly be even more fun than MP. Blows zombies away.

Haters will be haters, but CoD fans are going to love this one.
 
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