Official Modern Warfare 3 thread

[BD2003]

Haven't had too much problem as host when I've been host, I have been clipped around the corner from time to time when I tried to run around the corner but that's understandable, with CSHD and all. But generally if I am host, I win the 50/50 battles up front when both him and I are shooting at each other.

Yep. A fast connection is usually to your advantage. You're getting your shots counted by the server faster...because you ARE the server. Your reaction time is increased significantly. You basically have half the lag of everyone else. Give me the chance to host and I'll take it.

Host has an advantage in any back and forth firefight that takes place more than half a second after someone rounds a corner. Host is the guy most likely to nail someone before they can get into cover. Your hit detection is the most reliable. You're not a god like you would be without CSHD, but you're still pretty boss.

I've noticed it's a lot harder to tell who's host since they actually reflect the artificial lag with the bars if you're serving up a sh*t game... I suspect a lot of people bitching about host disadvantage arent actually the host.

 

[PimpJuice]

Yep. A fast connection is usually to your advantage. You're getting your shots counted by the server faster...because you ARE the server. Your reaction time is increased significantly. You basically have half the lag of everyone else. Give me the chance to host and I'll take it.

Host has an advantage in any back and forth firefight that takes place more than half a second after someone rounds a corner. Host is the guy most likely to nail someone before they can get into cover. Your hit detection is the most reliable. You're not a god like you would be without CSHD, but you're still pretty boss.

I've noticed it's a lot harder to tell who's host since they actually reflect the artificial lag with the bars if you're serving up a sh*t game... I suspect a lot of people bitching about host disadvantage arent actually the host.

Nobody is complaining about "host" disadvantage. People are griping about "better connection" disadvantage which is what IW is fixing with the next update. Host is just one person. I could care less if one person had an advantage but having a disadvantage because my connection is better than someone else is the problem.

 

[BD2003]

Nobody is complaining about "host" disadvantage. People are griping about "better connection" disadvantage which is what IW is fixing with the next update. Host is just one person. I could care less if one person had an advantage but having a disadvantage because my connection is better than someone else is the problem.

Someone was complaining about host disadvantage literally like 2-3 posts ago.

There's a part of me that believed that if people understood how it worked, they wouldn't be so butthurt when it works against them. Because it is a well designed system, it's just not a simple thing to explain or understand in a paragraph.

I now see the wishful thinking in that. I give up.


Fucking lag compensation!! They need to fix this shit, ASAP.

 

[Sixguns]

When ever I get into a bad match ie really bad lag, I will just back out. It is as easy as that. Than I will go find a new match and bam good stuff no lag.

 

[lokiju]

Someone was complaining about host disadvantage literally like 2-3 posts ago.

There's a part of me that believed that if people understood how it worked, they wouldn't be so butthurt when it works against them. Because it is a well designed system, it's just not a simple thing to explain or understand in a paragraph.

I now see the wishful thinking in that. I give up.


Fucking lag compensation!! They need to fix this shit, ASAP.

I know you're really a big pusher of its not lag but really it comes down to a issue that makes matches anywhere from a bit of an issue to unplayable when it's a problem.

 

[digiram]

You what's funny.. There's no stopping power in this game, but there are super powerful guns like the Type95 and ACR. The ACR in MW3 is the ACR+SP from MW2. Now I don't even need SP and can equip Assasin, easily the most advantageous perk in the game. They should've left SP in the game, it would've cancelled out all of the Assasin users.

Also, I went back and played MW2 again recently, and the red dot is so much better looking... seriously. The red dot in MW3 is the same one from MW1.. WTH?? Bring back the MW2 red dot sites please.

 

[BD2003]

I know you're really a big pusher of its not lag but really it comes down to a issue that makes matches anywhere from a bit of an issue to unplayable when it's a problem.

lol, I'm going to go bang my head against a wall.


Anyways, I wonder when the first elite DLC drop will be...they said monthly, and it'll be a month in two days, but stuff usually comes out on XBL on Wednesday.

Still, they've been so quiet about it I don't think it's starting up for another few weeks.

 

[PimpJuice]

Someone was complaining about host disadvantage literally like 2-3 posts ago.

There's a part of me that believed that if people understood how it worked, they wouldn't be so butthurt when it works against them. Because it is a well designed system, it's just not a simple thing to explain or understand in a paragraph.

I now see the wishful thinking in that. I give up.


Fucking lag compensation!! They need to fix this shit, ASAP.

Design and implementation are completely different. I'd like to see you explain it, and maybe you can even convince IW themselves that there isn't an issue. That would save them the time of having to fix whatever it is they admitted needs fixing.

I'm a software developer, I'd love to hear your explanation of how it works. Lag is a part of all games, that doesn't mean that the features implemented to make it less noticeable are implemented correctly across all games. Do you think its remotely possible that the lag compensation (which I agree is needed for all games) might be OVER-compensating in this specific game? Its as simple as that.

 

[lokiju]

lol, I'm going to go bang my head against a wall.

My point wasn't that on a technical point of view you are wrong in any way. My point is, when someone is impacted by issues when playing it reduces the enjoyment of playing. The cause or the technical reasons do not make that reduced enjoyment in game play somehow go away.

It happens when I become host. I know 100% I'm host when it happens as me leaving when its unplayable mid-game kicks off a host migration.

Me dropping out of the lobby after a match that was impacted but I could stand to stick with will kick off a host migration.

The majority of the time it's a mid game host migration from someone else leaving that then makes me host. That is how I wind up being it and there is clear degradation playing experience once that happens.

To look at is in a different way, here's a different unrelated hypothetical scenario.
A car cannot be stopped by the person driving it. It crashes. The cause of the crash could of been a list of reasons from the brakes going out to the person driving was drunk and so on.

In the end though the reason that caused the crash does not lessen the event of the crash itself. It's still happened and was not desirable to happen.

 

[BD2003]

Design and implementation are completely different. I'd like to see you explain it, and maybe you can even convince IW themselves that there isn't an issue. That would save them the time of having to fix whatever it is they admitted needs fixing.

I'm a software developer, I'd love to hear your explanation of how it works. Lag is a part of all games, that doesn't mean that the features implemented to make it less noticeable are implemented correctly across all games. Do you think its remotely possible that the lag compensation (which I agree is needed for all games) might be OVER-compensating in this specific game? Its as simple as that.

The problem is that people are throwing out the term "lag compensation" without actually defining what part of the system is the problem.

The CSHD is an on/off thing. Either you're rolling back time on the server to determine hits or you're not. Theres no middle ground, it's not a matter of degree. They've always done it this way, and CSHD fundamentally has to cause all those issues that are being bitched about in the video. No tweak can change this. You can tweak a plane to fly faster but you can't tweak it to fly you to the moon. This is why I say people shouldn't hold their breath for a "fix".

The real question is "has their system changed since previous titles?". I haven't seen any evidence towards that, and it looks/feels the same to me. I'm open to the idea, in fact I'd love to know what they've changed...from a reputable source that actually knows wtf they're talking about. If that source exists, it's being drowned out by the millions of voices bitching about it.

So I'm sticking with the simplest explanation - they've haven't changed the system that's been working fine for years, since there's no real evidence to the contrary.

As for what they can really tweak - mainly they can start kicking players who's ping drops below 100 (under 4 bars). That's what I used to do on my CS server (which also uses CSHD). That'll smooth things out for everyone, but it'll also drop people from matches constantly and make matchmaking nearly impossible. So it's not realistic for XBL.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

lag compensation is definitely the problem I have. I can actually fix it if I degrade my connection and then I have way more reaction time. Their formulas are jacked or something. I stopped playing until it is fixed.

 

[BD2003]

My point wasn't that on a technical point of view you are wrong in any way. My point is, when someone is impacted by issues when playing it reduces the enjoyment of playing. The cause or the technical reasons do not make that reduced enjoyment in game play somehow go away.

It happens when I become host. I know 100% I'm host when it happens as me leaving when its unplayable mid-game kicks off a host migration.

Me dropping out of the lobby after a match that was impacted but I could stand to stick with will kick off a host migration.

The majority of the time it's a mid game host migration from someone else leaving that then makes me host. That is how I wind up being it and there is clear degradation playing experience once that happens.

To look at is in a different way, here's a different unrelated hypothetical scenario.
A car cannot be stopped by the person driving it. It crashes. The cause of the crash could of been a list of reasons from the brakes going out to the person driving was drunk and so on.

In the end though the reason that caused the crash does not lessen the event of the crash itself. It's still happened and was not desirable to happen.

It's something you just have to accept. You get into a car, you accept the chance that a drunk driver can kill you at any time.

Likewise, you get into an online game, you accept lag. This is the myth I'm trying to dispel. CSHD can make 90% of a game feel lag free, but it's an illusion, and makes that other 10% seem ridiculous. As long as you're waiting for a fix, you're in denial, you haven't accepted it.

 

[American Gunner]

Man this thread is amazing. I came in to read about the game, and we have the last few pages full of nothing but people trying to prove they know more about lag.

 

[BD2003]

Man this thread is amazing. I came in to read about the game, and we have the last few pages full of nothing but people trying to prove they know more about lag.

Post something more interesting then.

 

[Sixguns]

Man this thread is amazing. I came in to read about the game, and we have the last few pages full of nothing but people trying to prove they know more about lag.

Get your non lag talk out of here. Thats what this thread is about, lag in an online game.




Does anyone else hate the assualt drone? I sure do.

 

[American Gunner]

Get your non lag talk out of here. Thats what this thread is about, lag in an online game.




Does anyone else hate the assualt drone? I sure do.

I do. Especially when someone has lag that helps them get it.

 

[BD2003]

Get your non lag talk out of here. Thats what this thread is about, lag in an online game.




Does anyone else hate the assualt drone? I sure do.

The little tank? I rarely ever see it. It's that little damn helicopter that keeps flashing me that drives me crazy. And it has flares when you try to hit it with a stinger!

 

[Sixguns]

I hate the Javelin. I cant stand trying to cap a point and the other team who is no where near said point can just fire off that stupid thing and ruin my day.

I dont mind the recon drone since I use assassin pro it doesnt mess with my mini map. Its also fun to find the guy using it, teabag serveral times and than get the headshot.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Recon drone is more annoying than the assault drone, though I run around with EMP grenade all the time so it's not as bad.

 

[Sixguns]

Recon drone is more annoying than the assault drone, though I run around with EMP grenade all the time so it's not as bad.

Forgot about that. I want to try that out tonight.

 

[PimpJuice]

The little tank? I rarely ever see it. It's that little damn helicopter that keeps flashing me that drives me crazy. And it has flares when you try to hit it with a stinger!

haha, I didn't know it had flares......that's pretty funny.

 

[digiram]

I hate the Javelin. I cant stand trying to cap a point and the other team who is no where near said point can just fire off that stupid thing and ruin my day.

I dont mind the recon drone since I use assassin pro it doesnt mess with my mini map. Its also fun to find the guy using it, teabag serveral times and than get the headshot.

Put up a trophy while capping. Works wonders.

 

[PimpJuice]

I hate the Javelin. I cant stand trying to cap a point and the other team who is no where near said point can just fire off that stupid thing and ruin my day.

I dont mind the recon drone since I use assassin pro it doesnt mess with my mini map. Its also fun to find the guy using it, teabag serveral times and than get the headshot.

I wouldn't mind if they got rid of launchers on domination.

 

[BD2003]

Recon drone is more annoying than the assault drone, though I run around with EMP grenade all the time so it's not as bad.

Yeah I was surprised to find out you can actually chuck the EMP nade at air support. I think you can even chuck it at attack choppers.

The best is taking out a predator strike w/ the trophy system. Its a total slap in the face.

 

[lokiju]

I do. Especially when someone has lag that helps them get it.

That lag can sure help me take someone out that calls in the package though so I can steal it

By the way it's painfully clear when someone does a decoy package. Completely differently behavior from them.

Edit: ah I was thinking of the recon drone when I typed that, nearly never see the little remote robot thing. Seems kind of pointless to equip since it's easy to avoid.

Anyone else really have fun taking out people with Juggernaut?

I don't know what it is but between taking out everyone running to try and take someone with Juggernaut out and taking the person with Juggernaut out as well, I just kick a kick out of it for some reason.

Juggernaut isn't one of those things I'd ever equip for myself but I've stolen it a number of times and feel it's a disadvantage in racking up kills faster. To slow moving and there's no better way to rack up kills than to run and find people to take out IMO.