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bl4ckfl4g

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I watched the whole national tournament on Spooky's stream. Justin won the whole thing easily.

Ermac, Kung Lao, and Cyrax are hella broken though.

Best park is Ski put the netcode on blast and netherrealm said that the patch will dramatically improve the netcode plus fix the balance issues. Hope they are right.
 

gorcorps

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I watched the whole national tournament on Spooky's stream. Justin won the whole thing easily.

Ermac, Kung Lao, and Cyrax are hella broken though.

Best park is Ski put the netcode on blast and netherrealm said that the patch will dramatically improve the netcode plus fix the balance issues. Hope they are right.

By broken do you mean overpowered? I haven't seen any vids of professionals so it's hard to say what isn't balanced.
 

purbeast0

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I watched the whole national tournament on Spooky's stream. Justin won the whole thing easily.

Ermac, Kung Lao, and Cyrax are hella broken though.

Best park is Ski put the netcode on blast and netherrealm said that the patch will dramatically improve the netcode plus fix the balance issues. Hope they are right.

i don't think they are broken at all, other than cyrax, because he has that bomb loop. kung lao and ermac are just 2 of the characters that seem to have gotten a lot of exposure and people have learned, so they seem that way. imo this game is pretty freakin balanced. and of course the game will have tiers, and for now, it seems that ermac and kung lao (and probably raiden) are top tier.

also if you watched the FR tournament a few weeks ago, cyrax was doing MUCH better in that tourney than he did in this tourney, and that is simply because people have learned how to counter him.

the only thing about kung lao is that he does a ton of damage from fairly simple combos. they have already said that they are nerfing his damage in the upcoming patch, which also includes removing cyrax bomb loop.

another thing you have to remember ... these guys you are watching are the best of the best. LI Joe is probably THE best MK3 player in the country or very high up there. Justin Wong and Floe are just fighting game gods in general so those guys will be good at any game that they put time into.

fwiw i watched a lot of the stream too.

i think another issue right now is that the game is so young and people don't really know how to punish a lot of moves or what pokes and combos are safe and what aren't. all that stuff will come with time.

as far as the netcode, can you give any more specifics? i have heard that skisonic asked NR about this but I didn' hear anymore details other than that.
 

Krynj

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I really hope the online experience gets ironed out. I experience almost a half-second delay whenever I do anything in a fight. I don't know how people can land these huge combos when playing with so much lag.
 

smackababy

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i don't think they are broken at all, other than cyrax, because he has that bomb loop. kung lao and ermac are just 2 of the characters that seem to have gotten a lot of exposure and people have learned, so they seem that way. imo this game is pretty freakin balanced. and of course the game will have tiers, and for now, it seems that ermac and kung lao (and probably raiden) are top tier.

also if you watched the FR tournament a few weeks ago, cyrax was doing MUCH better in that tourney than he did in this tourney, and that is simply because people have learned how to counter him.

the only thing about kung lao is that he does a ton of damage from fairly simple combos. they have already said that they are nerfing his damage in the upcoming patch, which also includes removing cyrax bomb loop.

another thing you have to remember ... these guys you are watching are the best of the best. LI Joe is probably THE best MK3 player in the country or very high up there. Justin Wong and Floe are just fighting game gods in general so those guys will be good at any game that they put time into.

fwiw i watched a lot of the stream too.

i think another issue right now is that the game is so young and people don't really know how to punish a lot of moves or what pokes and combos are safe and what aren't. all that stuff will come with time.

as far as the netcode, can you give any more specifics? i have heard that skisonic asked NR about this but I didn' hear anymore details other than that.

I, personally, hope they don't patch anything for awhile. If you look at what happened to sentinel in MVC3 you'll see that nerfing something because he is "broken" day 1 is stupid. Once people learned to counter him, he is pretty terrible with the stupid low health.

From watching the PDP stream, I was much more impressed at how good Justin was from the limited time he had with the game.
 

purbeast0

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I, personally, hope they don't patch anything for awhile. If you look at what happened to sentinel in MVC3 you'll see that nerfing something because he is "broken" day 1 is stupid. Once people learned to counter him, he is pretty terrible with the stupid low health.

From watching the PDP stream, I was much more impressed at how good Justin was from the limited time he had with the game.

i agree, they should not patch it just yet the game has hardly been explored.

they do however need to fix the issue where on 360, the hidden patches aren't applied unless you are online. that is pretty stupid that you can have a total different game experience based on being signed into xbox live or not.
 

bl4ckfl4g

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i don't think they are broken at all, other than cyrax, because he has that bomb loop. kung lao and ermac are just 2 of the characters that seem to have gotten a lot of exposure and people have learned, so they seem that way. imo this game is pretty freakin balanced. and of course the game will have tiers, and for now, it seems that ermac and kung lao (and probably raiden) are top tier.

also if you watched the FR tournament a few weeks ago, cyrax was doing MUCH better in that tourney than he did in this tourney, and that is simply because people have learned how to counter him.

the only thing about kung lao is that he does a ton of damage from fairly simple combos. they have already said that they are nerfing his damage in the upcoming patch, which also includes removing cyrax bomb loop.

another thing you have to remember ... these guys you are watching are the best of the best. LI Joe is probably THE best MK3 player in the country or very high up there. Justin Wong and Floe are just fighting game gods in general so those guys will be good at any game that they put time into.

fwiw i watched a lot of the stream too.

i think another issue right now is that the game is so young and people don't really know how to punish a lot of moves or what pokes and combos are safe and what aren't. all that stuff will come with time.

as far as the netcode, can you give any more specifics? i have heard that skisonic asked NR about this but I didn' hear anymore details other than that.

They didn't give specifics, they just said there would be a "dramatic improvement" in the patch and that they are going to keep supporting the game with patches.


Kung Lao just seemed to do a ton of damage. Cyrax had the bomb trap which they are getting rid of. Raiden seems to need more recovery frames on his teleport. Ermac seemed ridiculous with some of the stuff he could do but i never played him or played against him so I'm not sure if it is easily counterable.

The funnest matches of the stream I think, were watching MarkMan own with Smoke. He was doing pretty well and now I need to give smoke a try.
 

purbeast0

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if anyone cares, the 1.02 patch is out now and live on Xbox 360 and PS3.

it improved netcode TREMENDOUSLY. it is like a night and day difference. i am not sure how the hell they did it but I am extremely happy they did.

i'm now going to actually try and play this game a tad more serious now that it has netcode that works.

it's now pretty comparable to SSF4's netcode. definitely better than MVC3's netcode.
 

bl4ckfl4g

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That's awesome news. I haven't played it much since I bought it but now I might possibly....wish I had time.
 

Beev

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Also, if anyone has been on the fence about the game it's $20 off this week at Gamestop. Both new and used I believe.
 

gorcorps

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if anyone cares, the 1.02 patch is out now and live on Xbox 360 and PS3.

it improved netcode TREMENDOUSLY. it is like a night and day difference. i am not sure how the hell they did it but I am extremely happy they did.

i'm now going to actually try and play this game a tad more serious now that it has netcode that works.

it's now pretty comparable to SSF4's netcode. definitely better than MVC3's netcode.

Nice. I actually had been playing with my friend for a while and didn't have many problems before. Haven't played in a few weeks though, so it'd be a reason to get back at it.
 

Krynj

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Fucking right -- finally! It was seriously unplayable before. During any given match, I had anywhere between 3/4 of a second, to a full second of lag. Definitely gonna pop it in when I get out of work and test it out. This made my day.

Anybody buy Skarlet yet? Thought about doing it last night, but I thought I'd wait a bit.
 

smackababy

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I still have only played this once when I was drunk (1.0 version) and shit on my friends with Kung Lao thanks to watching Justin. I might pick this up when it gets a bit lower.
 

gorcorps

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Played it today and it's very unstable in private matches at least. Found no noticeable improvement to lag, but we got disconnected every 10 minutes or so because we became "unsyncronized". This has never happened before. It used to be hard to start the match, but once we were in it would never disconnect. Now we can start matches but can't play for long.

I want a rollback.
 

Krynj

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I noticed an improvement, but I wouldn't say it's like night and day. There's still a bit of lag, but it's a little more playable than it used to be. Still some room for improvement I would say.

And aside from a few rage quits, I didn't experience any disconnects or anything.

Also played against some dude that played as Skarlet, and she didn't seem too great.

Anybody here interested in getting some private king-of-the-hill going some night?
 

purbeast0

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Played it today and it's very unstable in private matches at least. Found no noticeable improvement to lag, but we got disconnected every 10 minutes or so because we became "unsyncronized". This has never happened before. It used to be hard to start the match, but once we were in it would never disconnect. Now we can start matches but can't play for long.

I want a rollback.

you on PSN or 360?

you must be crazy if you can't see an improvement in the lag , it is like a total night and day difference to me. the input delay is virtually gone (well as close as to it can be online) compared to up to a whole second or more prior to that.

i do know they were working on that desynching issue though. had something to do with people having the dlc costumes or something like that.
 

purbeast0

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I noticed an improvement, but I wouldn't say it's like night and day. There's still a bit of lag, but it's a little more playable than it used to be. Still some room for improvement I would say.

And aside from a few rage quits, I didn't experience any disconnects or anything.

Also played against some dude that played as Skarlet, and she didn't seem too great.

Anybody here interested in getting some private king-of-the-hill going some night?

im down where are you located? i'm east coast. i'd actualy be down for some matches tonight, on xbl.
 

gorcorps

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you on PSN or 360?

you must be crazy if you can't see an improvement in the lag , it is like a total night and day difference to me. the input delay is virtually gone (well as close as to it can be online) compared to up to a whole second or more prior to that.

i do know they were working on that desynching issue though. had something to do with people having the dlc costumes or something like that.

360

I haven't played offline in a long time though, so it might just be that I was used to online play already. Whatever difference was made didn't strike me as much of anything, but the desynching issue sure was apparent. We both had the free DLC pack.
 

Chacotako

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Which console would one recommend picking this up for? I have a fightstick for both, but in the event I preferred using a pad, I know I'd rather go PS3. On the other hand I'd rather be on Live than PSN.... decisions decisions...
 

purbeast0

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Which console would one recommend picking this up for? I have a fightstick for both, but in the event I preferred using a pad, I know I'd rather go PS3. On the other hand I'd rather be on Live than PSN.... decisions decisions...

you kind of just answered this question yourself heh, and i pretty much agree 100% with you.

i'd never buy a multi-platform game with online multiplayer soley on PS3, would definitely go with 360 (but maybe get it on PS3 also down the road depending how much i liiked it).

and i too agree, if i had to use a pad for this game, it would DEFINITELy be the PS3 pad.

however, i stick to joysticks for fighters in general. sometimes I wonder though if I would do better with a pad in MK just because it doesn't require nearly as much precision and I actually think the blocking with the shoulder buttons on pad would be advantageous over a joystick simply because i could transition faster between block and attack.
 
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