*** Official MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R/LSR (875P) Thread ***

[Budman]

How can they even release a bios with such a bad flaw in it?

I mean,dont they even test it before putting it on their site?

The more I read the more I want to sell my MSI board. :disgust:

 

[DamageInc]

Well, just flashed the 1.4 BIOS, and my motherboard didn't die. Did notice the memory voltage went down, though. Also, the temperature readings went down by about 5 degrees for the CPU, and 3 degrees for the case.

I'll be changing my memory voltage back up when I get to my computer upstairs.

 

[ronss]

quess i may not buy for awhile, may even wait for a ver2 , or later release of the moherboard. seems like a lot of first release boards have bugs. the asus a7n8x deluxe board sure did, it was 3 moths before everything got running right. biggest problem was silicon,s image BAD drivers

 

[donfm]

I got a floppy with my LSR board that says it's the:

G72-IAAR010
Intel IAA RAID XP Driver
For ICH5R (FW82801ER)
Version:3.0.0.2344
03/03/26

There is no instruction on HOW or when I need to install this driver with the MSI motherboard. Any help here? I am presently not using RAID. I don't believe this board supports IDE RAID only SATA RAID if I read the info correctly.

My comments on this board is it works fine but I thought it would be faster. How does one verify that he has all the settings correct? This is my first build and I'm not sure how to verify everything is working at optimum level. I am using factory defaults presently. Thanks for any help!

2.4BGig Intel P4
MSI NEO-LSR Bios v1.2
512 MB Corsair Twinx3200-LLPT
2-WD 120 Gig SE 7200 RPM ATA 100 drives
Lite-ON 52X24X52 CDRW
ASUS GEF4 9208 TI4200/128MB DDR
Antec PLUS 1080 AMG case w/430watt truePower supply
WinXP Pro

 

[mac35]

I recently flashed to the 1.4 BIOS and had the problem of the BIOS setting the RAM voltage to 2.5 from 2.65. MY Corsair wouldnt run on that setting so I put an old pc2100 256MB chip in and got into the BIOS to change the voltage back to the original 2.65. Other than that the BIOS works pretty well, it fixed my CPU temperature setting which had been reading at 70 degrees celcius, now its down to a more normal level of 45c. Everything else seems to be working fine although I can't overclock nearly as high as I used to.

Overall it's OK for me, it fixed a RAM issue I was having with DDR 400 had and fixed (like it says in the BIOS description)my temps but limited my overclocking.....

Mac

 

[SinisterThinking]

If you are getting high settings get new power supply and HSF. I HAD THE Same problem with this board running a 3.06gig CPU It also helps with ram compatibility. I'm currently using a 450w power supply and this was the 3 PSU I've tried and it works very stably. The only problem I have is that when I shutdown windows I have to manually switch off the PC.

 

[BootMe]

What power supply are you using?? I also have this board and i'm awaiting my 3.0ghz 800fsb chip. What's got me worried is all these horror storys about not being able to boot or being unstable.

Currently i have a Antec Truepower 430, MSI neo-fis2r, Radeon AIW 9700 pro, Corsair TWINX512-3200LLPT, WDC 120gig 8mb, and a 48x plextor. I just hope this setup will work and run stable with the power supply i got.

 

[kaps]

BootMe, I have a very similar box to your's except I have a Enermax Whisper 430 PS and the P4 300MHz 800FSB and it is stable as a rock and lightening fast. I also have never had any problems flashing my BIOS and I updated to both 1.03 & 1.04.

Karl

 

[donfm]

I also have the Antec TruePower 430. I'm frankly disappointed in this supply. The +12VDC output to the CPU is +11.7volts or lower all the time. That is not very good regulation or "TRUE" power in my opinion. I've read others that have the same low voltage problems on the +12v with this same supply. Granted this reading is with the MSI Corecenter Monitor so perhaps it's the program and not the supply. I need to get a real meter in there somehow.

My NEO-LSR runs fine on this supply. The board fans and supply fans are VERY quiet. I've just begun to dabble in overclocking the FSB. That Corecenter utility from MSI is really slick. It couldn't make overclocking any easier for us novices. Heck you just have to hit "auto" and it ramps up your FSB slowly. I am currently running bios v1.2 and am afraid to upgrade to v1.4 from all the horror stories on this site.

 

[rhodeyelandah]

Just received mine today and it appears to be working fine, with my 2.53 @ 2.85 1.6volts so far. It was not stable at more than 2.66 in my Epox 4pea+.

I updated the bios to 1.4 I presume within windows using their live update utility without incident.

I notice a little voltage fluctuation at 12volts, but no more than 2/10's of a volts' worth.

So far, so good!

2.53 P4
two 512mb dimms of Corsair XMS pc3200
ATI Radeon 9700 pro
Hercules Gtxp

 

[BootMe]

Well UPS is telling me that my chip is on the truck and out for delivery. So i guess i'll find out after work.

Also, i hear that a 1.5 bios is on the horizon.

 

[AdamK47]

I bought this board yesterday from a local distributor. I'm a tweaker/overclocker and was totally disappointed with this board. I've used MSI boards when I had AMD CPUs and all of them have been great boards for overclocking and tweaking. This board, on the other hand, falls flat on it's face. With BIOS versions 1.1 and 1.2 overclocking is impossible with 800 FSB chips. When setting the memory speeds, CPU speeds and AGP speeds nothing works. I can set anything in the BIOS with my 2.4GHz chip and it will remain at 2.4GHz no matter what the POST screen shows. For fun I set it to 500MHz FSB (500 x 12) and it posted with a CPU speed of 6GHz and loaded windows. CPUID obviously showed 2.4GHz. With BIOS version 1.4 overclocking worked, well sort of. The FSB selections worked. The AGP and memory settings did not. The highest I could get with this board was 220MHz for 2640MHz which is pathetic. I have since exchanged it for an Asus P4C800 Deluxe. It costs a little more, but it's well worth it. I'm able to run successfully at 3.12GHz with a 260MHz bus selection. The best thing about the Asus board is that everything in the BIOS actually works.

Edit: I can't believe Anandtech actually named this one of the best 875 boards. This is suppose to be an enthusiast computer hardware site. Tweaking options are of major importance to the enthusiast. The 875P Neo, even with the latest 1.4 BIOS, simply does not deliver.

 

[donfm]

I have to agree i cannnot overclock this board higher than 2611Mhz. The other problem I have is my screen randomly goes blank and then on again for no apparent reason. I bought this board as an overclocker and it is sorley short in that area with my p4 2.4B gig processor. The MSI Corecenter utility takes forever to boot up as well so I just disabled it.

 

[mac35]

It seems to me almost all the problems people are having with this board are BIOS related, i.e. RAM timings and voltages, limited overclocking, temperature detection, instability, etc. I was just discussing this with a friend and we figured if MSI puts out a bug free BIOS that overclocks like version 1.2 the board would be amazing. I cant remember hearing anyone say anything negative about the board itself, it all seems to be BIOS related. Hopefully when 1.5 comes out it will be a winner.

 

[donfm]

Well you are right in a sense, but the BIOS is an important part of the board isn't it? No matter how good the hardware it won't work without a good bios and MSI has yet to put one out. Don't you think MSI must shoulder the full responsibility of releasing a product that wasn't tested enough for release to the consumer. Obviously the pre-release testing they did was sorely inadequate. If the BIOS sucks then so does the board. Just my opinion. I will never buy another MSI motherboard again!!

 

[mac35]

Donfm,
I agree wholeheartedly MSI has no one to blame for some of the negativity but themselves, and yes the BIOS is probably the most important single component of a motherboard. That said, the board itself is an excellent foundation to build on. The funny thing is the best BIOS so far (for 800 fsb CPUs) is probably the original release version 1.0, with that version the problems most people had were some minor RAM timings and temperature detection. Then versions 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4 came out and caused more problems while solving others. I agree that more testing of the new BIOS's are needed but once they get a good one out, all will be good.

Mac

 

[donfm]

I respect your opinion, but I have this board and it is terrible. The onboard audio uses too much CPU power and kills performance since the audio is a "software based" system rather than hardware based like some others. I have since ordered a sound card. If you try and run a P4B Intel processor running at 533Mhz FSB you have all kinds of problems overclocking the FSB. The software that comes with the system is "buggy" or does not work at all. I could only overclock my 2.4Bgig to 2.6Gig. That is horrible for a board tauted as an overclocker's board. "Corecenter" software is the only thing I like about this board but even that seems really slow to load on system bootup. I find my computer "waiting" for the program to load before I can log on to my DSL connection much like my old P3 300Mhz system. Very irritating for such a top end board. I hope your right and a future BIOS fix will give all the unhappy owners some return on their investment. MSI has struck out with me. Fact is to be first on the market with an 875P motherboard they cut too many quality control corners and now have a bad rep with the consumers they screwed. Nice going MSI you were first out of the gate but will end up losing the race and your long term credibility with consumers!

 

[BootMe]

Got my 3ghz chip on Friday, Popped it in, turned on the box, board posted fine, went into bios and setup hyperthreading, Installed windows xp. Everything went fine.

Ran prime95 for 8 hours and it was stable.

Board came with bios version 1.2 . Now i will not flash anything newer becuase of all the horror stories of killing boards and the problems. I will wait until they shake out all the bugs before i flash.

Memory is corsair 512mb of 3200ll and it recognized as ddr 400

 

[DamageInc]

Here's a weird problem I'm having every so often with this board:

When I power on the computer, sometimes the motherboard's BIOS (1.4) will screw up the memory speed. For example, when you adjust the FSB speed in the BIOS, the DDR speed moves with it at a 2:1 ratio. But sometimes, I notice that I will boot up the machine, and it will just get to the Windows XP startup screen, and keep rebooting. Then, I go into the BIOS, and notice that the DDR speed has gone up to well over 400 MHz, rather than the 300-something MHz that I had set it at.

This can be a problem if overclocking. Anyway, it's just a little annoyance. Having to go reset the FSB in the BIOS everytime I start the computer sucks. Luckily it only happens maybe 1 out of 6 times I power on.

 

[Mojodds]

I thought I was the only one having this memory problem. I too get different speeds of my corsair xms3200c2 stick of memory (512). When it boots, it shows it at 333 (have p4 2.66b) which is where it should be but in windows using cpu-z it is usually lower (running at 266 usually). I have to re-boot, adjust or play around with memory settings, and finally it will boot into windows at the proper speed. THis happens if I have it set to auto or manually adjust it to 333. Playing with the timings (2-3-3-6, 2.5-3-3-7, etc.) does not help. I am running bios 1.4 and adjusted the voltage up to 1.7 (of course corecell says it is at 1.65 instead) also didnt help. Hopefully will be cleare up in bios 1.5 with many other things.

 

[DamageInc]

That's exactly the problem, only mine seems to want to have the memory speed go up, rendering the computer unable to boot all the way. Here's hoping MSI removes the heads from their asses on the new BIOS.

 

[servicepack100]

Any one figure out what the heck is going on with the memory performance of the 875p ?
Verified with CUPID

Dual 512mb Corsair XMS 3200 running dual channel @ 400.9 mhz with a 3.0 800fsb CPU on the MSI NEO LSR.

cas 2.5, 3,3,6,4(bandwidth seems to not be affected no matter what these are changed to)

Tried all bios versions and still cannot achieve more than 4400-4500 in Sisoft Sandra memory benchmark (MSI's own website shows 5000 + with the exact same test)

Tried 2 512 sticks of kingston ddr 400 with same results
also tried 2.7v, no change

Also with the 1.4 bios, you can set the CAS latency to 2, but when you check it with CPUID, it says it is cleary running at 2.5
I urge everyone to run CPUID and the sandra memory benchmark to see what they results they get.

Sandra = http://www.majorgeeks.com/getfileoc.php?file=92&site=4

CUPID = http://www.majorgeeks.com/article.php?sid=425&cat=14




CPU-Z Report

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CPU-Z version 1.17.


Number of CPUs 2 (1 Physical)

CPU# 1
Cpu Name Intel Pentium 4 (Northwood)
Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
Family / Model / Stepping F 2 9
Extended Family / Model 0 0
Brand ID 9
Package mPGA-478
Core Stepping D1
Technology 0.13µ
Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE, SSE2
Cpu Clock 3006.9 MHz
Clock multiplier x 15.0
Front Side Bus Frequency 200.5 MHz
Bus Speed 801.8 MHz
L1 Data Cache 8 Kbytes, 4-way set associative, 64 bytes line size
L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops, 8-way set associative
L2 Cache 512 Kbytes, 8-way set associative, 64 bytes line size
L2 Speed 3006.9 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 256 bits

CPU# 2 (logical)
Cpu Name Intel Pentium 4 (Northwood)
Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
Family / Model / Stepping F 2 9
Extended Family / Model 0 0
Brand ID 9
Package mPGA-478
Core Stepping D1
Technology 0.13µ
Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE, SSE2
Cpu Clock 3006.9 MHz
Clock multiplier x 15.0
Front Side Bus Frequency 200.5 MHz
Bus Speed 801.8 MHz
L1 Data Cache 8 Kbytes, 4-way set associative, 64 bytes line size
L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops, 8-way set associative
L2 Cache 512 Kbytes, 8-way set associative, 64 bytes line size
L2 Speed 3006.9 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 256 bits

Motherboard manufacturer MICRO-STAR INC.
Motherboard model MS-6758, 00C
BIOS vendor American Megatrends Inc.
BIOS revision V1.4
BIOS release date 05/19/2003
Chipset Intel i875P rev. A2
Southbridge Intel 82801EB (ICH5) rev. 2
Sensor chip Winbond W83627HF

RAM Type DDR-SDRAM
RAM Size 1024 Mb
RAM Frequency 400.9 MHz
CAS# Latency 2.5 clocks
RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks
RAS# Precharge 3 clocks
Cycle Time (TRAS) 6 clocks
# of memory modules 2
Module 0 Corsair DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512 Mb
Module 1 Corsair DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512 Mb

AGP Status enabled, rev. 3.0
AGP Data Transfert Rate 8x
AGP Side Band Addressing supported, enabled
AGP Aperture Size 256 Mb

Windows version Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SiSoftware Sandra

Int Buff iSSE2 (Integer STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 4402MB/s
Scaling : 4406MB/s
Addition : 4515MB/s
Triad : 4520MB/s
Data Item Size : 16-bytes
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes

Float Buff iSSE2 (Float STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 4407MB/s
Scaling : 4399MB/s
Addition : 4510MB/s
Triad : 4506MB/s
Data Item Size : 16-bytes
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes

Test Status
Memory Used by Test : 512MB
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : Yes
Number of Test SMT (per CPU) : 2
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : No

Chipset
Model : Micro-Star International Co Ltd (MSI) Unknown (257
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 200MHz (800MHz data rate)
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 6400MB/s (estimated)

Features
MMX Technology : Yes
SSE Technology : Yes
SSE2 Technology : Yes
SSE3 Technology : No
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : Yes

!!!HEY MSI, would you like to explain why your 875p has less bandwidth than the 865 boards ? !!!
It looks like the hardware review sites got different boards than retail

 

[donfm]

Just sent my MSI NEO-LSR board back where I bought it. Could not be more displeased with performance and operation of this motherboard. I'm replacing it with an ASUS P4P800. In my opinion MSI totally sucks. The BIOS was buggy at best if you could even get it to work. They are up to BIOS V1.5 and still haven't fixed the many problems. The software that comes with it doesn't work or is inaccurate at best. You are afraid to upgrade your BIOS for fear the machine will never work again. Technical support is useless or non-existant. They take forever to get back to you if at all. Yep, great product MSI. You really know how to get a bigger market share don't you? I will NEVER buy another MSI product again. Looks like they pulled one over on the Anandtech Motherboard Testers and sent them some souped up version of this board for testing. The board we are getting in consumerland is definitely NOT the same quality or the same board as was tested!

 

[kaps]

I also am sending my MSI 875P-FIS2R back to Newegg (only had two days left for return option) and getting an ABIT IC7-G to replace it. The 875P is the most expensive MB I've ever purchased and I am just sick about reading so many negative comments and aborted reviews because of so many bugs. Almost all the comments I've read about teh IC7-G and possitive and reviews are glowing.

MSI really made a mistake by releasing such a cool board with such a terrible BIOS. I've always been an ASUS MB buyer and this was my first, and last, MSI board.

Karl

 

[rhodeyelandah]

My Neo fisr2 875p seems to be working fine. Running at my 2.53@2.85 all is well, although I wish I had access to higher asynch memory speed options (currently 376mhz DDR)

Are the random memory speeds at boot occuring only with 800fsb Pentium 4's? Mine is a 2.53 533fsb cpu and I have not noticed this problem.

All of these negative posts makes me want to return mine too!

Can someone point me to any other good motherboard forums where this much derided MSI board is discussed?