*** Official MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R/LSR (875P) Thread ***

[donfm]

There is an article at Tom's Hardware that discusses the fact that the MSI NEO 875P test board they were given was already overclocked and enhanced in other ways before they got it and was not the same as a stock board. That is why it did so well in the performance tests and why consumers are having so many problems now. If you look under the Asus P4P800 thread on this site in the "motherboard forum" the link to the article is posted there somewhere. MSI cheated us it appears by sending a souped up version of this board for testing.

 

[mac35]

Here is the quote from Toms:

However, we had to keep in mind that the MSI 865 Neo 2 and the 875 Neo boards do not differ from the press samples and are sold as such in stores.

It says the MSI boards DON'T differ from the press samples.......and the dynamic overclocking was on the 865 boards not the 875s, at least I havent seen any proof to indicate the 875s were dynamically overclocked. What exactly then were you refering to?

Mac

 

[donfm]

Originally posted by: mac35
Here is the quote from Toms:

However, we had to keep in mind that the MSI 865 Neo 2 and the 875 Neo boards do not differ from the press samples and are sold as such in stores.

It says the MSI boards DON'T differ from the press samples.......and the dynamic overclocking was on the 865 boards not the 875s, at least I havent seen any proof to indicate the 875s were dynamically overclocked. What exactly then were you refering to?

Mac

I am subscribed to 2 very similar Anandtech Forum threads that are very active and are keeping my e-mail very busy with notifications. Forgive me if I got one mixed up with the other. You may be correct in that the article was about the 865 boards. My apologies.

 

[mac35]

No problem, there is enough negativity towards this board already that we don't need any more creeping in with unintentional misinformation. Im just engaging in some damage control lol.

Mac

 

[jeep327]

Anyone noticing unusually high temp readings of the cpu with board?

 

[donfm]

Originally posted by: mac35
No problem, there is enough negativity towards this board already that we don't need any more creeping in with unintentional misinformation. Im just engaging in some damage control lol.

Mac

I will make one comment about that article however (I read it over again) It does state that even though the boards were identical to stock boards, MSI overclocked their 865 test board in "creative" ways that the average person would not be able to tell without the special equipment available to the testers at THG. So even though the hardware was identical the performance was "artificially" enhanced. That is a fact.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

My MSI 875P Neo LSR is heading back to newegg.... What a disappointment.

 

[Mojodds]

Good Choice. My 875P FIS2R is past the RMA date so I will end up having to keep it. I waited feeling certain they would have this fixed in no time not wanting to have bad publicity of their new "overclockers dream". Well, I was wrong. Not only do they not care, they don't seem to have the time to listen to the problems people are having. Guess they spend most of their time making their home page advertisements on how their board set a new world record on a benchmark and counting their cash.

 

[mngisdood]

Just a forewarning to those prospective msi i875p buyers, a poll at i.f. shows a very disproportionate number of very unsatisfied msi neo buyers (if this thread hasn't dissuaded you yet)....

 

[drednox]

ugh it has

my last system was an AMD based with MSI KT266 Pro chipset board, and i absolutely loved it, it was rock solid stable and didnt have a single headache with it.

then i bought an SiS something MSI board which i was never able to get runing with any stability, but figured its the SiS chipset and the ATI vid card proble m (something funky between the 2), kept constantly crashing.

sooooo what now ? scale down to granite bay for stability ?

 

[mac35]

Jeep327,
Yes, the BIOS versions before 1.4 all have temperature detection of the CPU that is wrong. My 3.0 Ghz processor was reading at 70 degrees celcius until I flashed to BIOS 1.4, I was pretty worried also but I put my hand on the heat sink at it felt no where near that hot. After flashing to version 1.4 my CPU reads at 45 celcius during idle and 52ish while under load.

However, be sure before you flash to version 1.4 that you're RAM will boot at 2.5V, that BIOS version automatically sets the RAM voltage to 2.5V (the minimum) and some RAM can't run at that speed. That will cause your system not to boot until you put RAM in that can run at 2.5V, then you can change it back to 2.65V and enjoy your normal temperatures.

Mac

 

[rhodeyelandah]

I have the Neo Fisr2 running bios v1.4 and cannot run the memory asynchronously. My cpu is a 2.6ghz P4 and no matter what I set the DRAM speed to, it is double that of the FSB which is currently 221.

I assumed that if I set it to 400 or 333 rather than 'auto' that it would lock at those speeds. Am I mistaken or is this another bios glitch?

 

[smOOthyUK]

They have released BIOS v1.5, even if the update description doesn't look like much. I don't have the guts to try it myself as v1.4 gave me enough unwanted thrills to last me a good while. I look forward to the comments of those in a position to put a knife to their motherboards throat and take the risk.

 

[rhodeyelandah]

I have flashed to bios 1.5 by floppy, the only option the new version of MSI Live Update allows.

I felt that I had nothing to lose as a Gigabyte 8knxp is on the way. I plan to keep the board that performs the best.

I can now run my P4 2.6c at 245 fsb (3.19ghz). I selected 333 as my memory speed and raised my fsb to 245, with the resulting memory clock being 408.

Certainly a big improvement. Before my overclock attempts were limited to 220fsb.

w00t!

 

[smOOthyUK]

I've been having a few problems with this board, most annoyingly is the odd device failure. I have an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (Catalyst 3.4 drivers) and from time to time my system drops down to a 640x480 resolution with low colour settings and reports a device failure. Now I know that Granite Bay had a few problems with this sort of behavier, but am I the only one getting this with the 875P chipset? I've probably overlooked an entire thread concerning the problem in my sleep deprivated state but please, somebody put me out of my misery and tell me there's hope on the horizon with some imminent Catalyst drivers release or something?

Just to add, I'm not overclocked in the slightest, and never have been up to this point.

My current setup:
MSI Neo-FIS2R
Intel P4 2.6c
2x256mb Corsair XMS CAS2 DIMM's (Running dual at CAS2.5)
80gb WD Caviar SE
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro

 

[rhodeyelandah]

I have a 9800 Pro and one thing I notice with the MSI is that the second monitor connection sometimes blanks out or goes on and off or fails to synch properly. A voltage bump to 1.6 virtually cured it but it sometimes still does it at boot.

 

[radx]

Originally posted by: smOOthyUK
I've been having a few problems with this board, most annoyingly is the odd device failure. I have an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (Catalyst 3.4 drivers) and from time to time my system drops down to a 640x480 resolution with low colour settings and reports a device failure. Now I know that Granite Bay had a few problems with this sort of behavier, but am I the only one getting this with the 875P chipset? I've probably overlooked an entire thread concerning the problem in my sleep deprivated state but please, somebody put me out of my misery and tell me there's hope on the horizon with some imminent Catalyst drivers release or something?

Just to add, I'm not overclocked in the slightest, and never have been up to this point.

My current setup:
MSI Neo-FIS2R
Intel P4 2.6c
2x256mb Corsair XMS CAS2 DIMM's (Running dual at CAS2.5)
80gb WD Caviar SE
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro

I had the same problem as you with my Asus p4g8x board. I returned it and got money back.
Asus didn't have a fix for it because it's a bug in intels chipset and can probably be fixed in a future bios update but since there were none available when i returned it i got money back.

Here is the statement from Intel
And here is a thread you can read more about it: http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/4804/

This bug is not in this chipset however but only in E7205. I dont know if this has anything to do with your problems but you could try the following which is the workaround for E7205:

*disable FAST WRITE (found in ati display control panel)
*set down AGP to --> 4X (Found in bios & ati display control panel)

Then reboot and all should be cool again.


Good luck

I sure hope i wont have the same problem all over again, cause i just bought this mobo for the money i got back from ASUS. :|

 

[smOOthyUK]

Thanks for the advice, I've put the AGP voltage up to 1.6, I'll see if that helps first as I really wouldn't like to have to disable Fast Write and drop to x4.

Also a couple more gripes. When I updated to BIOS v1.4 it turned Hyper Threading on as default (where it had been off before using BIOS v1.2), this was fine on first boot which had XP Pro detecting the option and obviously once again I was prompted to reboot, suffice to say it didn't get very far, first time booting past the comforting Windows XP Pro loading screen but then haulting on a black screen just before loading the desktop. Second try it prompted that Windows had not loaded properly blah blah but still chose normal boot, it then wanted to run scandisk for obvious reasons but when giving me the choice to skip with it's 10 second countdown everything froze again, so I'm sat looking at a countdown stuck on 10. What gives?..I fiddled around with BIOS for a while changing just about everything from DRAM timings to disabling onboard LAN and was only able to boot after disabling Hyper Threading.

What's more, now using BIOS v1.5 I set my DRAM timings to 2-3-3-7, but when in Windows I run CPU-Z to find my RAM runnning 2.5-4-4-7. I had not tried setting my timmings any tighter on any previous BIOS so I have no idea if it's 1.5 specific, but I do have two Corsair XMS PC-3200 CAS2 DIMM's. Maybe I'm just being hopeful not having purchased the LL twin DIMM's, but I would at least like to see the system attempt and fail at these settings instead of decieving.

 

[mngisdood]

Question. Had a user ask about some really high temperature readings on his MSI Neo-LSR. Seems to be stock everything, yet temps are around 70c under load. Could this be the Neo-LSR bios stating a higher temperature than there is (a la the IC7 series), or is there something else at play? Thanks.

 

[mac35]

Bios version up until 1.4 had temp detection that was wrong. My 3.0ghz was reading right around 70c but after I flashed to 1.4 I idle around 48c and under load I'm usually at 52c. I would suspect that person has a pre 1.4 bios version.
Mac

 

[dmckenz]

The 875p Neo is a big dissappointment and is on it's way back to NewEgg. I could not get it to even boot with DDR226, all I got was fans running but no display output. Trying to decide between the Asus and Abit.

 

[rhodeyelandah]

I returned mine too. Actually it was a great board apart from some voltage fluctuation which caused my ATI Radeon 9800 pro's secondary display output to cut in and out.

I've replaced it with a Gigabyte 8knxp. Very nice and stable, but overclock potential is limited by a max cpu voltage of 1.6 volts.

 

[guerilla7]

I'm having constant reboot with my set-up on a MSI 865PE neo2. Im not into overclocking I just need a board for my Pentium IV 2.6C 800 FSB to be used for extensive video editing and graphic designs.

Also that Core Center utility is having issues with my Thermaltake P4 Spark7 HSF with the auto-sensor enabled. Everytime I open Core Center, in about 6 seconds my fan would immediately stop then the alarm would go gaga.

Too many bugs with this "looks-good-on-paper" board. I will swap it for a new ECS Photon FSB 800 board, it has more features and most of all, cheaper. I will be reading reviews on the ECS Photon board before i pursue with it.

Any comments, suggestion would be very much appreciated. Here is my specs:

Pentium IV 2.6C 800 FSB
MSI 865PE neo2 mobo
(2) Sticks Kingmax 256 MB DDR 400 on slot 1 and 2, total 512 MB
40 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200 RPM
Inno3D GeForce FX 5200 128 MB DDR
Video Capture Card ( Still looking for one! )
Thermaltake Spark7 P4 HSF
Thermaltake Smart Case Fan 2 with LED
Generic Side Case Fan
Generic 300 watts PSU ( included in the ATX casing )
Lite on CD-RW
Lite on DVD 16x

Thanks!

 

[egandt]

I've been using the 875P NEO with BIOS revision 1.5 and now 1.6 for the last 2 weeks and I'm am some what impressed by this board, I've had none of the stablity problems listed in this thread yet. I'm running a P3C 3.0 at 3.51 with a front end bus of 234 and my memory forced to 333 or with the overclock 380 MHZ, I have the core at 1.6V and the MEM at 2.6 and the AGP bus at 1.6 and I can running anything I've tried without issue, however I was playing with CPU-Z and encountered the same problem as 'smOOthyUK' in that my memory being under clocked from 400 to 380 is set to run at 2,2,2,5 but according to CPU-Z is running at 3,4,4,7 which is just plan wrong, I'm intrested in if other people have encountered the same issue, and if it is actually running at this level of if CPU-Z is wrong, since Sisoft Sandra shows that my memory speed is slightly above that of PC3200 as CAS3 it could be off, but that is hard to say given the CPU overclock.

ERIC

 

[sillious]

IS IT STABLE YET!!!!

My list came down to 2 mobos: MSI 875P FIS4R and ASUS P4C888.
After reading all the good side of the story about MSI, I have rejected ASUS and went on reading more about MSI and related accessories (memory, PSU, etc) for about 2 weeks. So I even have a let of some online retailers. Until today I came across to this topic on this forum and started thinking seriously about buying this board.

Now, ofcourse I have read first 2 pages out of 5, which were mostly posted in April and May, today is July 5th. I will go back and finish the rest of the posts. But before I do, my big question is IS IT SAFE TO BUY TODAY, is if STABLE yet!?!

My only hope that the answer would be yes, coz I don't have enough time to start my research all over again to build my system.

I even posted another message on the 'Motherboard' section this morning here about the memory selection for this mobo.

Please, advice me, I am new to this forum and this will be my first self build system.

Thanks.