*** Official MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R/LSR (875P) Thread ***

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Wesley Fink

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I got the MSI 875P NEO FIS2R today and I was very impressed with the features and easy installation - UNTIL I got ready to test overclocking. With a 533FSB chip it won't - overclock that is - in BIOS. You set your speeds, the machine boots and says you are getting say 188x18 or 3.4GHz, you go into windows and wcpuid reports you are REALLY running at 2.4GHz. I figured, oh well, it's AMI BIOS so maybe an OC hole from 165 to 200 like the Asus and Gigabyte Canterwoods, so I set 160 to be conservative, boot - it's REALLY running at 2.4GHZ.

I figured the shipping bios is 1.1 so I'll try the latest 1.2 - same thing. Changed from Crsait LL to OCZ 3500EL which works on anything - same problem. Finally, I got the suggestion to try Core Center. It overclocked fine - to 188 and even higher - running Core Center in Windows XP. It's a pretty slick utility - BUT NO BIOS overclocking at all works with a 533. So how do you test anything?

Want to say typical MSI bull, but I will try to give someone the benefit of the doubt. Fix the damn thing - and where is Evan's review of this one?

This Canterwood has ALL the features - real CSA LAN, ICH5R Sata RAID, and even SoundMax sound, the same Intel is using with the slick 'plug it in and autoconfigure' setup. I could actually be happy if the damn thing WORKED!
 

coffeesmurf

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Feb 11, 2003
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oh boy... here we go...

Can we hope the see the same kind of cooperation that we see with Abit on their forums ?

Now, I understand that this is a new product. It's also the first time I hear about this issue. I have no reason to doubt Prom's words after the great job he did lately with the IC7 on AsusBoards...

I'm sure it's something that MSI will eventually fix, but isn't this something that should have been fixed before the product is released ? They are the ones pushing the OC angle... Wait and see we shall...
 

oldfart

Lifer
Dec 2, 1999
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My exp with an MSI 865PE was even worse. I set it up, hit the power button and ZAP!! My Antec True330 PS went up in smoke (not kidding). This P.S. has been working perfectly fine for a year with two different mobos. I've built probably 70+ systems over the years and have never seen anything like this. I dont doubt it is just a bad board, but that is it. No more MSI for me. The last couple I had were buggy, unstabe and poor overclockers. I gave them one more shot and it cost me a PS. I still dont know if my CPU, ram, etc got fried.
 

Jeriko

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:: looks at $120 power supply ::

:: crosses MSI 865PE off list ::

I swear, I'm THIS close (picture me with fingers one inch apart) from just upgrading to an 845PE based system and forgetting 865 / 875 until they're more mature platforms which won't kill PSU's or are so finnicky about RAM.

-J
 

oldfart

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Jeriko
:: looks at $120 power supply ::

:: crosses MSI 865PE off list ::

I swear, I'm THIS close (picture me with fingers one inch apart) from just upgrading to an 845PE based system and forgetting 865 / 875 until they're more mature platforms which won't kill PSU's or are so finnicky about RAM.

-J
Tell me about it. The mobo that I was using before the MSI was the Albatron PX845PEV Pro. What a nice stable mobo that thing is! Overclocks like a mofo. And it is cheap. Its going basck in tomorrow. I have to find a new PS locally. The thing is, I sold this mobo to a buddy and cant back out.

 

Wesley Fink

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BIOS Version 1.0 FIXES 533FSB BIOS OC Problem

Thanks to Tanghiro in Japan for the solution. BIOS version 1.0 does indeed work fine with BIOS OC settings with a 533FSB CPU. Apparently the shipping version 1.1 and updated 1.2 are more optimized for 800FSB CPU's. 1.0 and CoreCenter work fine separately - or together with my 2.4B SL6RZ.
 

servicepack100

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Jan 30, 2003
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HAs anyone with the 875p Neo gotten any 3200 ddr to work in dual channel ? I can only get two 512 modules of geil to run at 266 mhz and its still unstable, Not even one chip will work well by itself. I have a 3.0 800 fsb and 9800 pro,slowest timings and higher voltage also seem to not work Any suggestions ? Do I need some CL 2.5 Kingston for this thing to run or might it be the motherboard ? It will reboot out of nowhere, sometimes it will say 512 mb, then 1gb, then 256 ! Every time I reboot , it will not post and I have to keep resetting it to finally boot again. Should have ample power with my 480 antec true.
 

BootMe

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May 1, 2003
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Does anyone know the availabilty of this board?? I can't seem to find it anywhere!?!? :frown:

 

oldfart

Lifer
Dec 2, 1999
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Don't everyone get all worried about my incident. I got a defective board. It happens. But, this is the 3rd MSI board I've had that I was very unhappy with. I gave them enough chances. No more for me.

Good luck to the reat of you. Having Prometheus working it will help.
 

legendma

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Jan 27, 2000
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Well I have this board and having way too many issues with this.. I have a 2.4B SL6RZ and couldn't overclock via the bios until I down graded to the 1.0 bios. I have some Corsair XMS PC3500 and the motherboard will not run these at the correct speed. I've got my CPU to FSB of 185 but no matter what I choose the dram freq for ie, 266,333,auto,354, I get a DDR clock speed of 296?? This only occurs if I manually change the ram settings to 2,2,2,5.. If I leave it at default, the stupid board chooses timings of 2.5,4,4,8, and the DDR speed is 370 at the auto setting..

Why would I want to run this board with so low timings?? This board is definintely flaky and is going back to the vendor.. Anyone else get this to work at the correct DDR speed when manually adjusting the timings?? Back to Abit!!
 

GiveMeDeals

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Man, this is really scary seeing people having all different kind of issues including stability, overclocking and memory. Glad to hear that MSI releases the new BIOS update to fix the 533Mhz FSB P4 overclocking issue, but I think I am going to stay away and get myself an Abit IC7 until the board is fully stable after a few BIOS releases. I've heard a lot of nice things including features like CSA and SATA, also high voltage tweaking BIOS options for CPU, memory, etc., however I've never really trusted MSI can make a good overclocking motherboard. I have no doubts that they are 1 of the top 3 motherboard manufactures and they make rock solid and stable motherboards... just not for enthusiasts.
 

coffeesmurf

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Feb 11, 2003
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Originally posted by: GiveMeDeals
Man, this is really scary seeing people having all different kind of issues including stability, overclocking and memory. Glad to hear that MSI releases the new BIOS update to fix the 533Mhz FSB P4 overclocking issue, ....

It's the other way around... The newer BIOS have the O/C issue... Or did I miss something ?
 

jaeger66

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Originally posted by: coffeesmurf


It's the other way around... The newer BIOS have the O/C issue... Or did I miss something ?

You're right. The OLDEST BIOS is the one that works, it's the new ones that are broken.
 

snidy1

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Mar 17, 2003
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I have this board coming, should I cancel? Or is it just a Bios issue?
Is it just with the 533 P4's? or also with the 800's?
 

coffeesmurf

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Feb 11, 2003
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It really looks like it's a bios issue... so it should get fixed down the road... As for the P4Cs (800), I only read (indirect) positive feedback...

PS: If you want to follow this more closely, I suggest you go to this thread on AsusBoards or to this thread on the MSI forums...

Keep us informed of your progress with the board once you receive it !
 

BML149

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Feb 22, 2002
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Story goes my buddy was just at PC Club here in Phoenix. Picked up the MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R Motherboard for $105 before tax. The employee said that they just got the items in that day. This same motherboard shows for 219 on the PC Club Website. Being that this is a price mistake, YMMV. I figured it may be worth a shot.



For those of you that don't know, this is a new Intel 875 Chipset Board that supports Dual DDR400, for a FSB of 800 Mhz.

Good Luck!



Link to Board
 

Jeriko

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Apr 3, 2001
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Funny story in the Newegg reviews for the MSI 875. Some poor guy's northbridge fan exploded into flame and burned a hole into the southbridge.

I think I'll be staying away from MSI for a while.

-J
 

Wesley Fink

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Dec 5, 2002
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Will Not Be Reviewing MSI Canterwood For Now

I have returned my MSI 875P FISR2R for a refund and will NOT be completing a review of the MSI Canterwood at AsusBoards. There are just too many things wrong with this board right now when used with a 533FSB Processor. The specs and features are really stand-out, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired.

First and foremost, this board is advertised as an overclockers dream board, and yet the only BIOS that works to OC a 533FSB chip is the oldest Revision 1.0. One revision failing is a bug (shipping 1.1), 2 revisions failing is just plain sloppy (current 1.2). This is an emergency problem that can kill this board in the marketplace since there are virtually NO 800FSB processors available at this point.

2) The BIOS features that are there - like memory multipliers - seem to work intermittently. This makes "getting by" until a BIOS upgrade even more of a problem.

3) The board is exceptionally picky about memory with 1.0 BIOS. Corsair 3200LL performs extremely well, but I could never find timings that work with stability with my OCZ 3500EL. With BIOS 1.2 my OCZ DID work fine at rational timings, but the 533 overclocking does not work. Perhaps a later BIOS will bring all this together into a working board.

4) Reported temperatures are alarmingly high and inaccurate. This needs to be quickly fixed or there will be many concerned endusers.

5) VERY IMPORTANT to me. While this board exhibits very stable voltages and excellent performance at stock speeds and voltages, the voltage regulation on the board I tested was poor at OC speeds and voltages on a known good 520W PS with a 28A rail on 12v and 52A rail on 5V. Voltage drift at 1.7V setting at 190FSB was between 1.55 and 1.69V. I have seen this kind of variation in voltage before (on the poorer Asus boards) and it translated into instability in overclocking. Perhaps it is just a bad board, but I am concerned. The board was unpredictable in overclocking. Every time I thought I had the settings down pat, they often wouldn't work on the next boot. The better overclocking boards are predictable, but in it's present state the MSI is not a predictable overclocker. The Abit IC7, with 4-phase power, does not exhibit this kind of voltage variation in overclocking, and it IS very predictable.

6) The last issue is my problem. I suspect this board is designed to perform best with 800FSB CPU's, and 533FSB operation is just an add-on. I don't have an 800FSB CPU to test with it. I do not believe it is fair to test this board without one. Abit is the only Canterwood so far to make an effort to give some options to 533FSB users with their 'NB Strap' option. This allows you to 'trick' the system into thinking you have an 800 Processor for instance so you get more memory ratios. Without that kind of 'trick' you are stuck with 266 at DDR400, and 266, 333, and 354 (on Abit and MSI) at 533, with a full selection of memory ratios only at 800. The MSI does not yet have any kind of setting to make all memory ratios available at lower CPU FSB's.

I found this MSI to be a great perfomer at stock speeds - and it is even reported to beat the Intel Canterwood at stock according to reviews. However, it is advertised as an overclockers board, and in my honest opinion it falls far short in that very area RIGHT NOW. My other concern is MSI seems to do stock boards fine, but they don't have a reputation for doing a good job with "enthusiast" boards. This definitely lowers my confidence that this board will be turned into a swan.

If the board grows up it should be outstanding, and I will take another look when it matures.
 

legendma

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Jan 27, 2000
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I'm also returning my MSI 875P Neo.. Way too many problems with this board.. Not worth the headache.. Better off getting the Abit IC7.. You know Abit will fix all the issues with this board with Bios update, unlike MSI.. Who know's if they'll do anything??
 

legendma

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Originally posted by: BML149
Story goes my buddy was just at PC Club here in Phoenix. Picked up the MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R Motherboard for $105 before tax. The employee said that they just got the items in that day. This same motherboard shows for 219 on the PC Club Website. Being that this is a price mistake, YMMV. I figured it may be worth a shot.



For those of you that don't know, this is a new Intel 875 Chipset Board that supports Dual DDR400, for a FSB of 800 Mhz.

Good Luck!



Link to Board


I wouldn't even take this board if it was free or MSI offered me money for it.. Plain buggy as hell and no excuse for exploding SB chips!!!
 

oldfart

Lifer
Dec 2, 1999
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Originally posted by: PrometheusN
Will Not Be Reviewing MSI Canterwood For Now

I have returned my MSI 875P FISR2R for a refund and will NOT be completing a review of the MSI Canterwood at AsusBoards. There are just too many things wrong with this board right now when used with a 533FSB Processor. The specs and features are really stand-out, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired.

First and foremost, this board is advertised as an overclockers dream board, and yet the only BIOS that works to OC a 533FSB chip is the oldest Revision 1.0. One revision failing is a bug (shipping 1.1), 2 revisions failing is just plain sloppy (current 1.2). This is an emergency problem that can kill this board in the marketplace since there are virtually NO 800FSB processors available at this point.

2) The BIOS features that are there - like memory multipliers - seem to work intermittently. This makes "getting by" until a BIOS upgrade even more of a problem.

3) The board is exceptionally picky about memory with 1.0 BIOS. Corsair 3200LL performs extremely well, but I could never find timings that work with stability with my OCZ 3500EL. With BIOS 1.2 my OCZ DID work fine at rational timings, but the 533 overclocking does not work. Perhaps a later BIOS will bring all this together into a working board.

4) Reported temperatures are alarmingly high and inaccurate. This needs to be quickly fixed or there will be many concerned endusers.

5) VERY IMPORTANT to me. While this board exhibits very stable voltages and excellent performance at stock speeds and voltages, the voltage regulation on the board I tested was poor at OC speeds and voltages on a known good 520W PS with a 28A rail on 12v and 52A rail on 5V. Voltage drift at 1.7V setting at 190FSB was between 1.55 and 1.69V. I have seen this kind of variation in voltage before (on the poorer Asus boards) and it translated into instability in overclocking. Perhaps it is just a bad board, but I am concerned. The board was unpredictable in overclocking. Every time I thought I had the settings down pat, they often wouldn't work on the next boot. The better overclocking boards are predictable, but in it's present state the MSI is not a predictable overclocker. The Abit IC7, with 4-phase power, does not exhibit this kind of voltage variation in overclocking, and it IS very predictable.

6) The last issue is my problem. I suspect this board is designed to perform best with 800FSB CPU's, and 533FSB operation is just an add-on. I don't have an 800FSB CPU to test with it. I do not believe it is fair to test this board without one. Abit is the only Canterwood so far to make an effort to give some options to 533FSB users with their 'NB Strap' option. This allows you to 'trick' the system into thinking you have an 800 Processor for instance so you get more memory ratios. Without that kind of 'trick' you are stuck with 266 at DDR400, and 266, 333, and 354 (on Abit and MSI) at 533, with a full selection of memory ratios only at 800. The MSI does not yet have any kind of setting to make all memory ratios available at lower CPU FSB's.

I found this MSI to be a great perfomer at stock speeds - and it is even reported to beat the Intel Canterwood at stock according to reviews. However, it is advertised as an overclockers board, and in my honest opinion it falls far short in that very area RIGHT NOW. My other concern is MSI seems to do stock boards fine, but they don't have a reputation for doing a good job with "enthusiast" boards. This definitely lowers my confidence that this board will be turned into a swan.

If the board grows up it should be outstanding, and I will take another look when it matures.
Par for the course for MSI. Looks good on paper, has great specs, lots of features, good price, but just doesn't work. They haven't changed.
 

DamageInc

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Wow, that sucks, Prometheus. Hopefully MSI will get these issues (which shouldn't even be issues in the first place) resoved and QUICKLY. I can MAYBE understand having these kinds of problems with the 865 board (is it even supposed to be out yet??), but for a board that's supposed to be tailored to the overclocker, these kinds of problems are unacceptable.
 

snidy1

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Mar 17, 2003
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I just canceled my order for the 875P NEO-FIS2R. How are the Abits or Asus boards?
 
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