****OFFICIAL**** NBA Finals Thread

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: wyvrn

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Not to disrespect Miami, but they beat a Detroit team that was in disarray. They did not play great defense (their own admission), and there is mounting tension in the lockerroom. OTOH, Dallas beat SA and PHO who were more formidable opponents than Detroit was in the playoffs.

Mounting tension in the locker room? What are you basing that on? I can only assume you are referring to the incident against chicago where gary payton was out of line in his attitude towards wade.

Dallas did not beat their opponents soundly, that is where people are thinking miami will win. Miami trounced new jersey and in their wins looked decisively better against detroit. Almost every game against san antonio and phoenix was close for most if not all of the game. Personally I think that makes dallas more scary because they can win close games, but not everyone sees it that way.

SA is such a good team, nobody was going to beat them 'soundly' as you call it. In the end, Dallas won the series. Do you honestly think Miami would have a chance in hell against the Spurs? I don't.

What a HOMER.
Yeah Miami could have beaten San Antonio. Don't make it sound like Dallas is the best team in the history of mankind simply because they dethroned the world champs. San Antonio was playing hurt and Dallas was ONE stupid foul away from reverting to what they are used to- Playoff dissapointment. Now I'm not coming in here claiming the Heat are going to pounce on Dallas, but cmon, Dallas is not the only team in the NBA that can beat San Antonio. Heck the same pistons team that got smacked around like a b*tch by the Heat almost beat San Antonio last year.

If you are saying Dallas won by a foul, then you have to look at the series. SA clearly had more fouls called than Dallas, so that is a rather silly argument. Besides, it is a known fact that the home team always gets fouls called their way. This is true for every team, so it is a nonsensical argument to say one team has that advantage.

I am not saying Dallas is the best team ever. Coming into the season, I thought they were third best behind SA and Detroit. But I think by ousting SA and the Suns, both better teams than Miami (based on regular season records and my overall feelings), Dallas has shown to be a better team than Miami. This series will play out this way. I think I am being remarkably objective about this.

 

[SP33Demon]

Heat in 6, noone on the MAVS have an answer for Shreq/Zo combo. Dirk will get his, but so will D.Wade, they cancel out. Shreq is hungry for a title w/out Kobe, he will be dunking like a madman.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: Patt
I foresee a Shaq-Alonzo pairing to decimate the front court of the Mavs ... but if the game gets too fast, that experiment will fold quickly.

The interesting about this series is each team has an advantage over the other. Miami has a ridiculous center rotation, but Dallas has more athletic players and more depth overall. If Dallas runs, Miami cannot hold them below 100. But Shaq and Mourning are going to do their damage in the paint, and the inside-out game with Wade could be extremely hard to defend.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
I am not saying Dallas is the best team ever. Coming into the season, I thought they were third best behind SA and Detroit. But I think by ousting SA and the Suns, both better teams than Miami (based on regular season records and my overall feelings), Dallas has shown to be a better team than Miami. This series will play out this way. I think I am being remarkably objective about this.

:laugh:

both teams are playing pretty awesome right now. you don't make it to the Finals otherwise. judging the two teams based on how badly they beat they opponents is silly.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Heat in 6, noone on the MAVS have an answer for Shreq/Zo combo. Dirk will get his, but so will D.Wade, they cancel out. Shreq is hungry for a title w/out Kobe, he will be dunking like a madman.

Nice way to compare Shaq and Wade with 1 player, Dirk. How about Howard, Terry, Stackhouse, Harris, Diop, and Dampier?

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: wyvrn
I am not saying Dallas is the best team ever. Coming into the season, I thought they were third best behind SA and Detroit. But I think by ousting SA and the Suns, both better teams than Miami (based on regular season records and my overall feelings), Dallas has shown to be a better team than Miami. This series will play out this way. I think I am being remarkably objective about this.

:laugh:

both teams are playing pretty awesome right now. you don't make it to the Finals otherwise. judging the two teams based on how badly they beat they opponents is silly.

I don't think so, but I'll stop arguing wit ya. I think it will be a good series though and I'm looking forward to it. If Miami wins, I'll be happy for Wade and Mourning (Oneal already has enough trophies ).

 

[iamme]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-060605

some opinions for each side of the argument.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: wyvrn

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Heat in 6, noone on the MAVS have an answer for Shreq/Zo combo. Dirk will get his, but so will D.Wade, they cancel out. Shreq is hungry for a title w/out Kobe, he will be dunking like a madman.

Nice way to compare Shaq and Wade with 1 player, Dirk. How about Howard, Terry, Stackhouse, Harris, Diop, and Dampier?

Posey/J.Will/Twan/Glove nullify the others you just listed. Howard's ankle is still not 100%, so that could be a factor on defending D-Wade. Noone on the MAVS can cover Shreq/Zo, it's that simple. Noone. That's why Shaq will always be > Kobe, no team in the NBA has anyone that can guard him. When he wins the championship w/out Kobe, it will put an end to all this nonsense. We all remember the haters who said: "He's fat and out of shape, no way they get past Detroit." What will you say when Shaq wins his 4th championship, solidifying his spot as top 2 of all time among centers (Wilt arguably was better)?

 

[z0mb13]

IMO miami is a much better team. Miami in 6.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Miami didn't dominate the Nets start to finish. They won twice by 10 points (the Mavs did this to PHO also), once by 22, and once by 1. The Nets also won once by 12. That's not domination, though it is slightly better than what the Mavs did to the Suns. And the Suns are clearly the better team.

Yeah but if you watched the actual games they seemed in control and the games rarely seemed in doubt. 4 games to 1 is trouncing no matter how you cut it.

If you are saying Dallas won by a foul, then you have to look at the series. SA clearly had more fouls called than Dallas, so that is a rather silly argument. Besides, it is a known fact that the home team always gets fouls called their way. This is true for every team, so it is a nonsensical argument to say one team has that advantage.

He's talking about game 7 which the spurs would have won if they hadn't committed a stupid foul against dirk in the last few seconds of regulation. They could have just let him score and had a relatively easy victory.

Nice way to compare Shaq and Wade with 1 player, Dirk. How about Howard, Terry, Stackhouse, Harris, Diop, and Dampier?

What about them? What about morning, walker, payton, and haslem? Those guys are all worth mentioning too. To me it comes down to this... miami's starters are better than the mavs, but the mavs bench is better.

 

[jcuadrado]

damn...I thought I was the biggest homer on the planet...wyvrn got me beat eh iamme?

Heat will win in 6...why...because I say so..and I'm never wrong. I know it all! I can just feel it. My mommy told me so too

I just saw there isn't any games on Fridays or Saturdays...that sucks!

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Miami didn't dominate the Nets start to finish. They won twice by 10 points (the Mavs did this to PHO also), once by 22, and once by 1. The Nets also won once by 12. That's not domination, though it is slightly better than what the Mavs did to the Suns. And the Suns are clearly the better team.

Yeah but if you watched the actual games they seemed in control and the games rarely seemed in doubt. 4 games to 1 is trouncing no matter how you cut it.

If you are saying Dallas won by a foul, then you have to look at the series. SA clearly had more fouls called than Dallas, so that is a rather silly argument. Besides, it is a known fact that the home team always gets fouls called their way. This is true for every team, so it is a nonsensical argument to say one team has that advantage.

He's talking about game 7 which the spurs would have won if they hadn't committed a stupid foul against dirk in the last few seconds of regulation. They could have just let him score and had a relatively easy victory.

Nice way to compare Shaq and Wade with 1 player, Dirk. How about Howard, Terry, Stackhouse, Harris, Diop, and Dampier?

What about them? What about morning, walker, payton, and haslem? Those guys are all worth mentioning too. To me it comes down to this... miami's starters are better than the mavs, but the mavs bench is better.

I know what he is talking about. I made the counter-point that the Spurs played more home games and got more foul calls overall for the series. Arguing one specific foul in this instance is disingenuous. It could be argued that the Mavs would have beaten the Spurs sooner had more foul calls gone their way, using his logic against him. Usually the losing team is the only one arguing foul calls after a series.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: wyvrn

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Heat in 6, noone on the MAVS have an answer for Shreq/Zo combo. Dirk will get his, but so will D.Wade, they cancel out. Shreq is hungry for a title w/out Kobe, he will be dunking like a madman.

Nice way to compare Shaq and Wade with 1 player, Dirk. How about Howard, Terry, Stackhouse, Harris, Diop, and Dampier?

Posey/J.Will/Twan/Glove nullify the others you just listed. Howard's ankle is still not 100%, so that could be a factor on defending D-Wade. Noone on the MAVS can cover Shreq/Zo, it's that simple. Noone. That's why Shaq will always be > Kobe, no team in the NBA has anyone that can guard him. When he wins the championship w/out Kobe, it will put an end to all this nonsense. We all remember the haters who said: "He's fat and out of shape, no way they get past Detroit." What will you say when Shaq wins his 4th championship, solidifying his spot as top 2 of all time among centers (Wilt arguably was better)?

Now that is a better comparison, thank you. But you started with Shaq and DWade on Dirk, which is of course not an similar comparison. Try Dirk and Howard, or Dirk and Terry, with Shaq and Wade, and you get a more apt comparison.

Now if you want to talk complete analysis, see my championship thread

BTW the Kobe comparison is not a good one. He doesn't have a player better than him on the roster (like Shaq does with DWade). Nor does he have one even close. So the situations are not the same. Frankly, even though I dislike Kobe, I think he carried his team in the playoffs and nearly beat PHO singlehandedly, and you should give credit for that performance.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: jcuadrado
damn...I thought I was the biggest homer on the planet...wyvrn got me beat eh iamme?

Heat will win in 6...why...because I say so..and I'm never wrong. I know it all! I can just feel it. My mommy told me so too

I just saw there isn't any games on Fridays or Saturdays...that sucks!

No I actually use objective arguments. If they want to counter them, so be it. I don't know it all, but I have been right so far

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: iamme
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-060605

some opinions for each side of the argument.

Woohoo awesome Dr. Jack Ramsey

 

[torpid]

No, really, you don't get it. No one is complaining about the refs. They are saying that the spurs would have won if one of their players hadn't done something stupid at the last second. The point he was making is that it was incredibly close to being the spurs against phoenix, and in fact if the san antonio player hadn't fouled nowitzki it would have been an easy victory in game 7.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: Rip the Jacker
Mavs in 6.

 

[Atrail]

Mavs in 5

 

[CTrain]

This is from an unbiased opinion and I'd say Mavs in 6.
Neither are my favorite and I was rooting to see a Mavs-Heat final.
Heres why I think Mavs will win.
I actually watched just about every game in the playoffs...how many people can honestly say that ???

Trying to argue on who has had a more impressive road to the final is silly.....its more important to concentrate on matchups.

1) Dallas beat Miami in both regular season games and blew them out once.
2) Dallas is so much deeper. Avery isn't afraid to play his 8th, 9th guy and they actually contribute. When both team put in their bench, Dallas will dominate.
3) Dallas is a much quicker team....Miami can't not keep up. Only Wade has the same type of quickness.

Now on Miami side, if Shaq and Wade are on their games, the Heat will win their games but can they win 4 games ??
Watching the Heats, Shaq tend to get into foul trouble too much.
Also I see the Heat relied on 3 players too much...none of their bench impress me.
Mourning is OK.
J Williams doesn't do anything special.
Payton is no where like his old self.

Just overall, watching both teams making their way to the finals, the Mavs just look more impressive.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: CTrain
This is from an unbiased opinion and I'd say Mavs in 6.
Neither are my favorite and I was rooting to see a Mavs-Heat final.
Heres why I think Mavs will win.
I actually watched just about every game in the playoffs...how many people can honestly say that ???

Trying to argue on who has had a more impressive road to the final is silly.....its more important to concentrate on matchups.

1) Dallas beat Miami in both regular season games and blew them out once.
2) Dallas is so much deeper. Avery isn't afraid to play his 8th, 9th guy and they actually contribute. When both team put in their bench, Dallas will dominate.
3) Dallas is a much quicker team....Miami can't not keep up. Only Wade has the same type of quickness.

Now on Miami side, if Shaq and Wade are on their games, the Heat will win their games but can they win 4 games ??
Watching the Heats, Shaq tend to get into foul trouble too much.
Also I see the Heat relied on 3 players too much...none of their bench impress me.
Mourning is OK.
J Williams doesn't do anything special.
Payton is no where like his old self.

Just overall, watching both teams making their way to the finals, the Mavs just look more impressive.

I watched every game that wasn't on NBA TV.

No one cares about the regular season. Miami is much better now than in the regular season.

Watching both teams making their way, I was more impressed by miami. But that's because I expected the mavs to make it. Actually in that regard, the mavs kind of disappointed me because I expected them to decimate the suns.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Dallas in 6

The suspension of DJ Dmbenga (or however you spell it) will hurt the mavs a little in the first four games, but Dallas still has way too many weapons for Miami to deal with. Dallas is really the only team that has enough bigs to deal with Shaq, Shaq will be a non factor in this series, just as he was in the two regular season games. And Dallas has about three excellent defenders to constantly cause Wade trouble. The only way Miami has a chance is if the role players (Walker,Williams,Peyton, etc...) all have a huge series, and I just don't see that happening.

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: CTrain
This is from an unbiased opinion and I'd say Mavs in 6.
Neither are my favorite and I was rooting to see a Mavs-Heat final.
Heres why I think Mavs will win.
I actually watched just about every game in the playoffs...how many people can honestly say that ???

Trying to argue on who has had a more impressive road to the final is silly.....its more important to concentrate on matchups.

1) Dallas beat Miami in both regular season games and blew them out once.
2) Dallas is so much deeper. Avery isn't afraid to play his 8th, 9th guy and they actually contribute. When both team put in their bench, Dallas will dominate.
3) Dallas is a much quicker team....Miami can't not keep up. Only Wade has the same type of quickness.

Now on Miami side, if Shaq and Wade are on their games, the Heat will win their games but can they win 4 games ??
Watching the Heats, Shaq tend to get into foul trouble too much.
Also I see the Heat relied on 3 players too much...none of their bench impress me.
Mourning is OK.
J Williams doesn't do anything special.
Payton is no where like his old self.

Just overall, watching both teams making their way to the finals, the Mavs just look more impressive.

I watched every game that wasn't on NBA TV.

No one cares about the regular season. Miami is much better now than in the regular season.

Watching both teams making their way, I was more impressed by miami. But that's because I expected the mavs to make it. Actually in that regard, the mavs kind of disappointed me because I expected them to decimate the suns.

Lets put it this way.
Dallas was impressive in every series.
Miami was impressive after the Chicago series.

Did you see how a young energetic team like Chicago gave the Heat trouble ??
If there was any time in the playoff that Miami look like they were in serious trouble was the 5th game during the 3rd quarter.
This was when Chicago trailed by a few pts and Wade went to the locker room.
That was Miami's season right there....but they pulled that game out and the rest was hsitory.

Well, Dallas is just a more talented young energetic team so thats why Dallas will win.
My only arguement for Miami would be they have gained alot more confidence since beating the Bulls.

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Dallas in 6

The suspension of DJ Dmbenga (or however you spell it) will hurt the mavs a little in the first four games, but Dallas still has way too many weapons for Miami to deal with. Dallas is really the only team that has enough bigs to deal with Shaq, Shaq will be a non factor in this series, just as he was in the two regular season games. And Dallas has about three excellent defenders to constantly cause Wade trouble. The only way Miami has a chance is if the role players (Walker,Williams,Peyton, etc...) all have a huge series, and I just don't see that happening.

Don't be silly man.
IF Dallas needed 6 more fouls(beside Diop and Dampier), thats what Van Horn is there for...and he can score.

 

[jcuadrado]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Dallas in 6

The suspension of DJ Dmbenga (or however you spell it) will hurt the mavs a little in the first four games, but Dallas still has way too many weapons for Miami to deal with. Dallas is really the only team that has enough bigs to deal with Shaq, Shaq will be a non factor in this series, just as he was in the two regular season games. And Dallas has about three excellent defenders to constantly cause Wade trouble. The only way Miami has a chance is if the role players (Walker,Williams,Peyton, etc...) all have a huge series, and I just don't see that happening.

you lost all credibility when you said Shaq would be a non-factor in the series. That's just crazy....very very crazy. He is probably THE factor in the series...the man has 3 rings and loads of experience playing in the finals...who else on the floor has that?

GO HEAT!!!

 

[JackSoph]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: JackSoph

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: preslove
Texas sucks. Go Heat!

You hate everything in Texas? Why pick the 2nd biggest state in the US to hate?

LOL

I guess you gotta have all that room for your inflated egos.

WTF point are you trying to make you uninformed assclown. Hell anybody making general slanders against a whole state (unless it's New Jersey ) just proves how imbecilic they really are.
Do you want to be seen as an ignorant fool? A couple of you need to grow the hell up and rewire some neural connections.




Anyhow . . .
I say Mavs in six!

Thanks for giving me an example of irony to refer to.

I suggest that you practice what you preach and grow up, yourself, angel.

I pointed out the pop per square mile because dnugget asked why he picked the second biggest state to pick on. But seeing that it's actual population per square mile ranks very low, I decided to point out the humor I saw.

Anyhow, hope you have a better day today and tomorrow. Because come Thursday night, the Heat are going to make you eat your words.