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zinfamous

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Name one player or staff member who is a rapist? Oh, you can't. Making false claims, not unusual from you.

Edit, and fuck the announcers for only telling one side of the Mixon incident. Did he hit a female? Yep, that is far from all that happened.

heh, two straight posts being a pedo-U apologist and a domestic violence apologist. But hey! You and your kind are empowered now! Things are looking up the next 4 years for you people!

(but yeah, I don't like piling on the Mixon dude 2 years after the fact if he has served his time/depending on how he dealt with things and made amends. ...but I don't know enough about the dude. Crap, I need to explain this to you because you won't get it: you are mad that the media isn't "fairly" explaining that she hit him first, which justifies his haymaker in your childish, ignorant mind. I'm criticizing the media pillorying an individual after their chance to reform. I look forward to your 2nd grade attempt to call me a hypocrite, though)
 

Thunder 57

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To be fair, I hated SC before "knowing" you; but if it makes you feel any better, you have thoroughly failed to change my impression.

Yeah, Clemson has looked overrated much of the year, but they have turned it on late in the season and looked incredible the other night. Still, NCSU beat them!

"Beat" them. So did FSU, most likely, if not for a phantom penalty. Some believe it was the ACC protecting their chance to have a playoff team. I would not be surprised if this behavior becomes an unintended consequence of the playoff. Perhaps the refs shouldn't be affiliated with any conference, I believe that's how they do it in Basketball?


heh, two straight posts being a pedo-U apologist and a domestic violence apologist. But hey! You and your kind are empowered now! Things are looking up the next 4 years for you people!

(but yeah, I don't like piling on the Mixon dude 2 years after the fact if he has served his time/depending on how he dealt with things and made amends. ...but I don't know enough about the dude. Crap, I need to explain this to you because you won't get it: you are mad that the media isn't "fairly" explaining that she hit him first, which justifies his haymaker in your childish, ignorant mind. I'm criticizing the media pillorying an individual after their chance to reform. I look forward to your 2nd grade attempt to call me a hypocrite, though)

The problem with sanctions is that it usually punishes people who had nothing to do with it. The players that committed had no idea. I understand the need for punitive sanctions but in the end everybody ends up losing. Cleanse the coaching staff and anyone who had or may have known of it. I think McQueary is among the worst of all of them. And the bastard won a lawsuit against PSU.
 

zinfamous

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"Beat" them. So did FSU, most likely, if not for a phantom penalty. Some believe it was the ACC protecting their chance to have a playoff team. I would not be surprised if this behavior becomes an unintended consequence of the playoff. Perhaps the refs shouldn't be affiliated with any conference, I believe that's how they do it in Basketball?


conspiracy/conference/refs = garbage.

NCSU lost to Clemson and FSU because:

1: the entire NCSU offense this year runs, basically, two plays with 4 or 5 variations--a RB/WR screen or a sweep. lol, especially considering the talent there. (Dayes will be the next David Johnson-type back, and Samuel is a TE/WR Flex monster for any team. mark my words)
2: no kicker. holy crap. no fucking kicker. so many missed FG's that would have won those games.



lol @ turning a toe tackle into a chop block, though. then penalizing the bench. wtf.
 

Thunder 57

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conspiracy/conference/refs = garbage.

NCSU lost to Clemson and FSU because:

1: the entire NCSU offense this year runs, basically, two plays with 4 or 5 variations--a RB/WR screen or a sweep. lol, especially considering the talent there. (Dayes will be the next David Johnson-type back, and Samuel is a TE/WR Flex monster for any team. mark my words)
2: no kicker. holy crap. no fucking kicker. so many missed FG's that would have won those games.



lol @ turning a toe tackle into a chop block, though. then penalizing the bench. wtf.

So you're an NC State fan. Got it. FWIW I like you guys because of the crap the UNC got away with. You know, the whole cheating thing. It doesn't help that the ACC commissioner is an UNC grad, either. Conflict of interest maybe?

Yea, that was a questionable call to begin with. If anything it was contact that caused the guy to trip. Chop Block? And then a sideline infraction? Typically a team gets a warning, and if it happens again, they will get a penalty. It went from a 42 yard gain to what 1st & 40? It wasn't actually 40 but whatever was half the distance to the goal. Nonsense.

And then I saved a screenshot of a comment that I thought was rather funny:

 

Thunder 57

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Ouch. Going 1-3 hut me more than I thought it would. From 3rd to 5th. I darn well better get the NC right, or I could fall as low as 7th!
 

Ackmed

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heh, two straight posts being a pedo-U apologist and a domestic violence apologist. But hey! You and your kind are empowered now! Things are looking up the next 4 years for you people!

(but yeah, I don't like piling on the Mixon dude 2 years after the fact if he has served his time/depending on how he dealt with things and made amends. ...but I don't know enough about the dude. Crap, I need to explain this to you because you won't get it: you are mad that the media isn't "fairly" explaining that she hit him first, which justifies his haymaker in your childish, ignorant mind. I'm criticizing the media pillorying an individual after their chance to reform. I look forward to your 2nd grade attempt to call me a hypocrite, though)

You really have just become someone who trolls ignorantly anymore.

Nobody is left, or went unpunished who committed the terrible acts at Penn St. It is hardly being a rape apologist. There isn't a rapist player or staff members, I corrected him. But I guess you're ok with calling people rapist just because, huh? Punishing a team forever for something they had nothing to do with is silly. Funny that you are upset at the media for not allowing the second chance of Mixon, yet don't want Penn St to have a second chance. Sigh.

Hardly a DM apologist. First off, it wasn't even domestic violence. They were not in a relationship or roomies. That alone shows you don't know the story. Second, I never said I thought his acts were justified, you assumed ignorantly that I did. Of course you won't admit you're wrong or apologize, but that's to be expected from you. You claimed as much, then went on attempt to insult me.

I simply had issue with the announcer, who has sucked for years now, only telling one side of the story. Should Mixon have hit her? Hell no. Should Musburger have gave one side of the story? Again, hell no. The fact is she initiated the contact first, and called him racial slurs, at a bar. Very poor judgment on both sides. So we're in complete agreement on the entire issue, that he shouldn't have hit her, and that he's being unfairly slandered after serving his punishment. Yet you still go off the deep end with insults and try to start something. Makes no sense, but that's you in a nutshell.

About hypocrisy, is the feminist that was equal everything for women, until it doesn't go their way. They want women in every job in the military because they can do everything a man can do they claim. Women hits a man first, man hits back. Worse thing every. Not very equal there. That's hypocrisy.

"Beat" them. So did FSU, most likely, if not for a phantom penalty. Some believe it was the ACC protecting their chance to have a playoff team. I would not be surprised if this behavior becomes an unintended consequence of the playoff. Perhaps the refs shouldn't be affiliated with any conference, I believe that's how they do it in Basketball?




The problem with sanctions is that it usually punishes people who had nothing to do with it. The players that committed had no idea. I understand the need for punitive sanctions but in the end everybody ends up losing. Cleanse the coaching staff and anyone who had or may have known of it. I think McQueary is among the worst of all of them. And the bastard won a lawsuit against PSU.

That's exactly what I said earlier, the refs gave Clemson the game, and again in the Louisville game. There was no foul on that play with FSU, which certainly went a very long way in deciding the game. Pathetic job at officiating. It's like Clemson is the Seahacks of college football.
 
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Thunder 57

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... About hypocrisy, is the feminist that was equal everything for women, until it doesn't go their way. They want women in every job in the military because they can do everything a man can do they claim. Women hits a man first, man hits back. Worse thing every. Not very equal there. That's hypocrisy.

I think the problem is that women and men are not equal. Both can excel at things the other doesn't (overall). However men and women should be equal under the eyes of the law. It's clear that they are not. She struck first. He probably should have just pushed her off rather than strike back. But then she may have kept on coming, who knows? The fact that we have the "Violence against Women Act" shows that we are not equal under the law. This is way OT so I'll get back to football.

That's exactly what I said earlier, the refs gave Clemson the game, and again in the Louisville game. There was no foul on that play with FSU, which certainly went a very long way in deciding the game. Pathetic job at officiating. It's like Clemson is the Seahacks of college football.

ACC officiating is very often criticized. I would imagine other conferences have their problems, too. Here's another example of their ineptitude:

 

Ackmed

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Oh I agree, I remember that call. Bad calls are bound to happen, sometimes it's just so egregious it shouldn't be tolerated. The game is very fast, no way in hell I could do it. They're human, mistakes are to be made. Central Michigan's win over Oklahoma St? No way in hell that should ever happen. And no way they should have kept the win. I'm under the opinion that just about every play should be reviewable. Yes some calls are judgement, most aren't. The call against FSU gave the game to Clemson. That's a fact. Should be able to be looked at. Then the side line penalty? Bullshit. I don't really care about either team in the championship, but I'd slightly like to see Bama win due to Clemson benefitting from bullshit like that. And the fact a player tried to choke out Jackson, and nothing happened to him.

Yes being careful not to slow the game too much is a real concern. The integrity of the game is a bigger concern imo.
 

Thunder 57

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Looks like a lot forgot to make their final pick. I am the only one who went with Clemson, let's see how right (or wrong) I am.
 

Svnla

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So far Bama is playing better than Clemson (46 yards total offense) and is leading by 7.

Another long run (over 10 yards) for TD by Bama in the 2nd QT. Hopefully this will not be a blow out.
 
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Ackmed

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Obvious pick play to give Clemson a TD. No call by refs, unsurprisingly. Looks to be a good ending coming up.
 

Chaotic42

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Welp, the right two teams definitely made it to the championship. Going to be a cold locker room for a couple of folks.
 

Svnla

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Look like Clemson was able to neutralize the fearsome Defense of Bama.

Les Miles, that's how you play offense, you make adjustments and changes, not RB run between tackles in 1st down, then same play but on the other side, then QB roll out to get a short pass, then punt and then hope the defense to hold. Rinse, repeat, and pray to win. That's why you are no longer the LSU HC.
 

Ackmed

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Great game. Bama still the better team looking at the entire year. Clemson got beat at home by a shitty Pitt 5 loss team. Bama got beat by literally the last play of the season. It'll be great next year when their D is gone, and so is Watson. Bandwagoners will bail. Bama will still be in the hunt.
 

Thunder 57

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Great game. Bama still the better team looking at the entire year. Clemson got beat at home by a shitty Pitt 5 loss team. Bama got beat by literally the last play of the season. It'll be great next year when their D is gone, and so is Watson. Bandwagoners will bail. Bama will still be in the hunt.

Oh give it up. Bama had a real challenge and they failed. Clemson does lose a lot next year. Guess what, though, Bama loses players too. Bama may still be in the hunt but there are many other teams that can stop them. It all starts against FSU in Atlanta.
 

Ackmed

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I just gave you facts, sorry you don't like it . Body of work. Clemson is a great team at times. Losing Watson will be the end. Bama did this with a true freshman qb. Still it was a great game, in a weekend of shitty football. And much better than other playoff games for college.
 

Meghan54

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Good game, but Saban's defensive scheme got exposed by Clemson, as well as Hurts' inability to convert 3rd down.

Clemson ran 99 plays in the game and 'Bama's defense was worn down in the fourth qtr...guess that's why Clemson scored so often in the 4th qtr., not to mention Wilson throwing for a tad over 300 yards of his 420 passing yards in the game.

Hurts just couldn't convert a 3rd down to save his life. 2-15 was the count at the end. Hurts just isn't that good a passer. Face it. And I don't think Hurts was helped by Kiffen leaving. C'est la vie.

Good game.
 

KLin

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Congrats to whoever Rocky Top is for winning. I forgot to set the winner for the national championship. Oh well.
 

Childs

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Bama should have just held on the last touchdown. Someone else did it this year to prevent a potential winning touchdown. When Clemson was at the 2, a FG is almost certain but a TD obviously beats you, so with 5 sec left just hold them and force them to kick the FG for OT. I think they would have lost anyway, but it would have gave them a another chance.

Pretty good game though.
 

manly

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@Meghan54 Bama sucked on 3rd down but they also sucked on 1st and 2nd down. I don't want to pin all the blame on Jalen Hurts, he is a true freshman. Even after Scarbrough was injured, Bama should've tried to lean on the power running game in the 2nd half. But they kept leaning and leaning on Hurts even when it was painfully obvious it wasn't working. I felt Sark called a bad game.

I usually don't root for the favorite, but I came into the game wanting Bama to win. However by the end of the 3rd quarter, I was hoping Clemson would pull off the comeback and upset. I was convinced they would do it because of how inept Alabama's offense was by that point.*

Bama should have just held on the last touchdown. Someone else did it this year to prevent a potential winning touchdown. When Clemson was at the 2, a FG is almost certain but a TD obviously beats you, so with 5 sec left just hold them and force them to kick the FG for OT. I think they would have lost anyway, but it would have gave them a another chance.

Pretty good game though.
The problem is the pick play is so difficult to defend against. On the last TD, the DB engaged the picker and Renfrow easily slipped out wide for the gimme. (The inside DB played it so badly he couldn't have committed intentional PI.) I read up on the pick play last night, and it's not often called offensive PI in college FB. It has to be egregious for the referees to even consider throwing the flag. I thought the earlier one looked clearly worse, when the outside receiver shoved his man and blew up the other DB as well.

The pick is flagged a little bit more in the NFL, but it's still a highly successful play. By NFL rule, it's a violation if the receiver is blocking More than 1 yard downfield before the pass is thrown. I'm not sure what the college rulebook says, but on the final TD, the pick happens just off the line of scrimmage and both receiver and defender appear to be engaging. Sure we know what the receiver is really doing here, but I think this one is a good no call.

* The only reason it was a nailbiter is because of a few fluky Alabama plays. The busted coverage that freed up OJ Howard for the bomb. Then on Bama's last TD drive, they pulled off the trick play and then the Hurts 30 yard scamper. Sure those plays are part of the game, but Bama never had control of the game in the 2nd half even when leading by 10. As Meghan54 pointed out, by the end their D was gassed because of how many plays they were on the field.

Personally I felt it was a pretty good game, but overrated considering people are already saying it's one of the five best CFB "championship" (including pre-BCS poll era) games of all time.
 
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WT

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LoL, the wiki entry for Deshaun Watson was edited to reflect his NFL future already. Reporting that his career ended after he was drafted by the Browns.
 

preslove

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Great game. Alabama's offense lost the game in the 2nd half. The rookie QB couldn't handle the pass rush. Glad clemson prevented another damn alabama championship.
 
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