**Official NFL 2015-16 Week 4 'Kaep'-in' Off Q1 Thread**

[emperus]

Yeah, but my point was if it wasnt called no one would have complained. Everyone knows Brady fumbled and the Raiders recovered. Overturning that was more of a travesty than a no call on an obscure rule. Everyone knows Johnson fumbled, and that was the game. No one wants to win or lose a game based on a technicality. I dunno, its like instead of Johnson fumbling they ran a pick play and he coasted into the end zone and scored. You dont really cry that the refs didnt call PI afterwards. Not everything is called.

In general, the refs didnt call a lot of penalties in the game. They let them play all game, so I dont know why anyone would want it to be ticky-tack at the end.

I disagree. The game of football is all technicalities and obscure rules. The lateral plays, flea flickers, eligible lineman, safeties.. etc. All games are. When you start choosing which calls(technicalities) to enforce you change the game.

Like the fumble play. The Seahawks getting the ball back was in fact a technicality. Noone recovered the ball. Why wouldn't it go back to the person that fumbled it like every other play that goes out of bounds? In fact Wright made sure noone could recover the ball by batting it out so his technicality could be enforced.

The players and coaches prepare based on their knowledge of the rule book. How is it fair to then decide portions of that rule book won't be enforced?

 

[Childs]

Nice dance but that will get you 15 every time, it's called the "No Fun League" for a reason..:awe:

I was laughing so hard when I saw it in real time. They actually showed different angles where the guy was celebrating and looked right at the ref when he drew the flag. I might even fire up game pass and watch it again in all its glory.

 

[Childs]

I disagree. The game of football is all technicalities and obscure rules. The lateral plays, flea flickers, eligible lineman, safeties.. etc. All games are. When you start choosing which calls(technicalities) to enforce you change the game.

But the refs do that on literally every play. They can call holding on every play, illegal contact, pass interference, etc. Sometimes its called, sometimes it isnt. Its part of a game. But using the all important "eye" test, Johnson fumbled the ball, game over. I dont know what would change my mind of making it relevant. Maybe if control of the ball was contested, but it was so clear cut Wright was in control and choose to hit it out of bounds. Maybe thats what fooled the ref as well...he probably thought Wright wouldn't have done it so blatantly if it was a penalty.

 

[Capt Caveman]

But the refs do that on literally every play. They can call holding on every play, illegal contact, pass interference, etc. Sometimes its called, sometimes it isnt. Its part of a game. But using the all important "eye" test, Johnson fumbled the ball, game over. I dont know what would change my mind of making it relevant. Maybe if control of the ball was contested, but it was so clear cut Wright was in control and choose to hit it out of bounds. Maybe thats what fooled the ref as well...he probably thought Wright wouldn't have done it so blatantly if it was a penalty.

Which is a penalty and already been confirmed by the Head of NFL Officials that the refs error'd by not calling the penalty.

 

[Childs]

Which is a penalty and already been confirmed by the Head of NFL Officials that the refs error'd by not calling the penalty.

Yeah, but I dont consider a no call in that situation a travesty of justice. If it was blatant offsides or pass interference or holding that would be different, but even then, not everything is called in a game. I would think any time there is any doubt in a refs mind, he should hold onto his flag. Granted, it is curious, if the ref was aware of the rule, why he didnt call it, but in the end its one of many calls that wasn't made. If the Lions wanted to win Johnson should have held onto to ball. Dont cry that the refs didnt bail you out. The Lions arent even complaining about it, so I dont why anyone else is.

 

[zinfamous]

I lean towards the side of why bail out the team that fumbled at the 1 yard line? Sounds like a garbage rule, and will inevitably be revised.

On top of that, had Kam jumped on the ball, Seattle would have won, anyway.

The real story here is the terrible O-Line in Seattle, the sleepy offense, and their consistent failure to impress anyone so far.

NFC is looking like Packers, Healthy Arizona, Falcons, and my sleeper here: the Rams...shit, quite possible the Vikings? They look interesting...

 

[emperus]

I lean towards the side of why bail out the team that fumbled at the 1 yard line? Sounds like a garbage rule, and will inevitably be revised.

On top of that, had Kam jumped on the ball, Seattle would have won, anyway.

The real story here is the terrible O-Line in Seattle, the sleepy offense, and their consistent failure to impress anyone so far.

NFC is looking like Packers, Healthy Arizona, Falcons, and my sleeper here: the Rams...shit, quite possible the Vikings? They look interesting...

How would that have bailed them out? Who recovered the fumble? Noone, because Wright batted the ball out so no-one could. But because he did that, somehow his team gets the ball?

A fumble isn't the end of a play and doesn't automatically mean the other team gets the ball. You still have to recover it. And outside of the endzone a fumble that goes out of bounds reverts to the team that fumbled it. So, the change would probably be that. A fumble inside the endzone that goes out of bounds reverts to the place it was fumbled and to the team that fumbled it.

 

[dainthomas]

The Lions arent even complaining about it, so I dont why anyone else is.

Emperus is because he can point at another team for once and say "hey, they cheat too!!!!" Must be a refreshing change from trying to come up with excuses for your own team.

 

[brainhulk]

How come Seattle isn't going to Jimmy Graham more? I lol'd when I heard Ray Lewis refer to him as a queen tight end

 

[digiram]

There's been a shit load of penalties across the league, but there aren't THAT many bad calls. I've seen some sloppy fucking football this year and it's not the officials fault these knuckleheads can't keep their shit together.

No, it is the officials fault. There's always going to be pushing and shoving, refs need to let the players play a little. 2 f'ing TD's called back for penalties against Bills. There was 0 hold in sight when they showed the replay on Tyrod's 40 yard td run. Shit like that CANNNOT f'ing happen. If I were Rex, I'd be yelling at them to.

 

[digiram]

I lean towards the side of why bail out the team that fumbled at the 1 yard line? Sounds like a garbage rule, and will inevitably be revised.

On top of that, had Kam jumped on the ball, Seattle would have won, anyway.

The real story here is the terrible O-Line in Seattle, the sleepy offense, and their consistent failure to impress anyone so far.

NFC is looking like Packers, Healthy Arizona, Falcons, and my sleeper here: the Rams...shit, quite possible the Vikings? They look interesting...

Giants could easily have been 4-0, and just beat the Bills with help of the refs of course.

I'm calling it.. Giants v Pats this year. Brady to get revenge on lil Manning... and FAILS again..lol!!!

 

[emperus]

No, it is the officials fault. There's always going to be pushing and shoving, refs need to let the players play a little. 2 f'ing TD's called back for penalties against Bills. There was 0 hold in sight when they showed the replay on Tyrod's 40 yard td run. Shit like that CANNNOT f'ing happen. If I were Rex, I'd be yelling at them to.

But isn't not calling penalties helping one side more than the other? If a weaker team holds every play and it isn't called doesn't that hurt the other team if they are more disciplined and play with better technique.

Another example. If one team has a great quarterback and great receivers and they don't call holding or pass interference calls. Doesn't that nullify the advantage of that team?

It's a double edged sword.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Yeah, but I dont consider a no call in that situation a travesty of justice. If it was blatant offsides or pass interference or holding that would be different, but even then, not everything is called in a game. I would think any time there is any doubt in a refs mind, he should hold onto his flag. Granted, it is curious, if the ref was aware of the rule, why he didnt call it, but in the end its one of many calls that wasn't made. If the Lions wanted to win Johnson should have held onto to ball. Dont cry that the refs didnt bail you out. The Lions arent even complaining about it, so I dont why anyone else is.

The Lions aren't complaining about it b/c their head coach is an idiot that doesn't know the rules of the game.

Why should the defense get the ball off the fumble if they didn't recover it? The deliberate action of knocking the ball out of bounds is a penalty. Check any sports network, it's still being discussed days later.

 

[dainthomas]

But, if I wouldn't have known given this, the Fail Mary and the amount of PI's, holdings and offsides that don't get called against Seattle, I would say the refs are paid to help them.

I don't know how I missed this comment. Did you watch any games last season? Seahawks opponents magically stopped getting penalties called on them whenever they played Seattle. If the Hawks are paying off the refs, they're getting poor value.

http://mynorthwest.com/292/2675974/Penalty-disparity-between-Seahawks-opponents-grows-larger

 

[SunnyD]

Looks like Tannehill is a paycheck prima donna.

He got his contract, now he wants to sit back and enjoy the dollar bills for a while. It also sounds like Philbin was rather enabling. Might be why Tannehill and Suh haven't done squat so far this season.

 

[emperus]

I don't know how I missed this comment. Did you watch any games last season? Seahawks opponents magically stopped getting penalties called on them whenever they played Seattle. If the Hawks are paying off the refs, they're getting poor value.

http://mynorthwest.com/292/2675974/Penalty-disparity-between-Seahawks-opponents-grows-larger

You're a hard working Seahwaks hack. Here is a snippet of an article on Seattle and why they commit so many penalties. You should try critiacal thinking. It'll make a world of difference.

This all started last year, of course, when the Seahawks revolutionized pass interference by using the same logic loophole that offensive linemen have been exploiting for years with holding. The idea is: you hold on almost every play, knowing the refs won't throw 50 flags per game. If everything is holding, the thinking goes, then nothing really is. Brilliant. Seattle just took that approach and applied it to pass coverage and it was so effective and disruptive they forced the NFL to change the rules regarding defensive holding and pass interference.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...hawks-found-way-use-penalties-their-advantage

 

[dainthomas]

You're a hard working Seahwaks hack. Here is a snippet of an article on Seattle and why they commit so many penalties. You should try critiacal thinking. It'll make a world of difference.

Did you address how their opponents were magically able to cheat less, but only against them? How does that fit into your tinfoil hat theory that officials favor Seattle. The entire concept is ludicrous.

 

[emperus]

Did you address how their opponents were magically able to cheat less, but only against them? How does that fit into your tinfoil hat theory that officials favor Seattle. The entire concept is ludicrous.

Read the comments in the article. You'll probably get a lot of insight into possible reasons from other SeaHawk "fans".

 

[The_Dude8]

How come Seattle isn't going to Jimmy Graham more? I lol'd when I heard Ray Lewis refer to him as a queen tight end

Because seachickens run first, passing is second, and beside r3 Wilson is not drew brees. Jimmy Graham is fuking up my ff team.

 

[Childs]

The Lions aren't complaining about it b/c their head coach is an idiot that doesn't know the rules of the game.

Why should the defense get the ball off the fumble if they didn't recover it? The deliberate action of knocking the ball out of bounds is a penalty. Check any sports network, it's still being discussed days later.

Its being talked about by networks that generate money by talking about sports. You actually think the Lions should be rewarded on that play? They fumbled, and Wright intentionally batted the ball because he didnt know the rule, and the Lions deserve something for that? I could understand if this was the Pats and you thought they were intentionally trying to get away with something, but that doesnt seem to be the case.

 

[zinfamous]

Because seachickens run first, passing is second, and beside r3 Wilson is not drew brees. Jimmy Graham is fuking up my ff team.

Hawks offense has been a bit more complicated than NO's over the last three years of "Hey Jimbo--run sort of in that direction over there and I will throw you the ball."

But yeah, when you have a back lack Lynch, you use him. Also, TE hasn't been utilized much with Pete Carroll, especially since Wilson took over, as much more than a blocker. I think in the last 4 seasons, their TEs have probably seen some of the fewest targets of any team--it's just part of their offense.

Also probably why that o-line has major issues this year--Graham simply can't block for shit. From what I've read, though, he doesn't seem to be annoyed in any way by his lack of production, he's just trying to learn to adapt to a system that expects something beyond him running, turning around, and expecting a ball heading his way on 60% of snaps. (yes, I'm exaggerating).

He's got great talent, but not really as a true TE--meaning, he never really was into the actual position, which really does demand a lot of pass protection.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Its being talked about by networks that generate money by talking about sports. You actually think the Lions should be rewarded on that play? They fumbled, and Wright intentionally batted the ball because he didnt know the rule, and the Lions deserve something for that? I could understand if this was the Pats and you thought they were intentionally trying to get away with something, but that doesnt seem to be the case.

Lions deserve something for that? Yes, the penalty to be called and the ball at the 1/2 yard mark.

 

[BUTCH1]

Read the comments in the article. You'll probably get a lot of insight into possible reasons from other SeaHawk "fans".

What's LOL is that at the end of the SB when the Pats had to figure out a way to get off the 1yrd line Bennett jumped offsides and did it for them. Also noted in the article id how the Pats were equally as aggressive in slowing down "the greatest show on turf" when they beat the Rams. In SB's they usually don't throw a lot of flags, just look at the "helmet-catch" play, big Seymour had Eli by his jersey..until he was tackled from behind by an O-lineman, no flags thrown.

 

[emperus]

n SB's they usually don't throw a lot of flags, just look at the "helmet-catch" play, big Seymour had Eli by his jersey..until he was tackled from behind by an O-lineman, no flags thrown.

Jesus, going to be having more nightmares of that game now.

 

[SunnyD]

It appears Buffalo defenders are spot on about Odell Beckham's disposition on his "status" in the league.

He's appealing his fine without even bothering to give a crap what he was fined for.

While Beckham was not called for any penalties for postplay actions, the NFL reviews every play of every game for discipline purposes and found reason to fine the star wideout. Beckham said he didn't read the league's letter of explanation that came with the fine.

Throw punches and then expect not to get fined. Prima donna indeed.