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techs

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And almost pulled off another one against the #1 defense in the NFL. Tebow's and Bradford's passing stats are actually quite similar, even though Bradford has 13 more games of starting experience. The most passing experience of any rookie in history, actually, but you wouldn't know it by comparing their stats from the past three weeks.

Tebow did play the worst pass defense, true, but he also played the two best. Bradford has played the 17th, 24th, and 27th in the past three weeks. Toss in Tebow getting a TD every tenth time he runs the ball, and the least you can say is that Bradford is not clearly performing far better, as people said he would, as you would expect from the #1 pick versus the #25 pick. Let's also don't forget that, although the Broncos surrendered 95 points and the Rams 60, both men came out of those games with the same record. I could go on, but I don't want to spend all day at this.

Picking up Tebow was brilliant, even if he never makes it as a starting QB. He was worth the risk. So much blue sky if he can get things going- far more than your average #25. Far more than your average #1, even. Proclaiming him the new Elway just yet is stupid, but not as stupid as people who mindlessly rag on him when he's just started. He's talented and driven, he's a proven winner, and he still may become a very good QB someday.

At the very worst, he could almost certainly be a starting TE on all but a few teams, and that's worth what they paid. One thing he will almost certainly not be is a complete and total bust. I would probably have taken him earlier than 25 if I could have.

The Kool-Aid must be stronger than I thought.

To decide Tebow could almost certainly be a starting TE? C'mon. He never played the position, he never caught passes and he never blocked lineman.

Odds are Tebow will be bust. At number 25 when you draft for a starting quarterback, if they guy at best becomes a bit player, it's a bust.

Look, Tebow doesn't have a very good arm. When he lines up and puts his whole body into he can throw ok, but in the NFL you need to throw the ball quickly, not always on balance or with your body. There is a reason all the pros keep questioning his arm.

Right now, I think its 50-50 whether Denver drafts a new QB with thier first of second picks in the draft.
 

BeauJangles

Lifer
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And almost pulled off another one against the #1 defense in the NFL. Tebow's and Bradford's passing stats are actually quite similar, even though Bradford has 13 more games of starting experience. The most passing experience of any rookie in history, actually, but you wouldn't know it by comparing their stats from the past three weeks.

Tebow did play the worst pass defense, true, but he also played the two best. Bradford has played the 17th, 24th, and 27th in the past three weeks. Toss in Tebow getting a TD every tenth time he runs the ball, and the least you can say is that Bradford is not clearly performing far better, as people said he would, as you would expect from the #1 pick versus the #25 pick. Let's also don't forget that, although the Broncos surrendered 95 points and the Rams 60, both men came out of those games with the same record. I could go on, but I don't want to spend all day at this.

Picking up Tebow was brilliant, even if he never makes it as a starting QB. He was worth the risk. So much blue sky if he can get things going- far more than your average #25. Far more than your average #1, even. Proclaiming him the new Elway just yet is stupid, but not as stupid as people who mindlessly rag on him when he's just started. He's talented and driven, he's a proven winner, and he still may become a very good QB someday.

At the very worst, he could almost certainly be a starting TE on all but a few teams, and that's worth what they paid. One thing he will almost certainly not be is a complete and total bust. I would probably have taken him earlier than 25 if I could have.

Sure, Tebow has talent, but he wasn't the right pick for the Broncos. They have so many needs at so many positions and they have a guy that has proven himself capable at the QB position. I really think they'd be better off in the long run if they had drafted to their needs, not to a guy who *might* be a great QB or *might* be a good TE.

That being said, I also think that Tebow will eventually figure it out and become a pretty darn good starting QB.
 
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BeauJangles

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I'm not sure I understand the bolded. Do you mean in the last decade? The NFC East has sent 2 teams (Eagles, Giants) to the Super Bowl this past decade, and the South sent 3 (Bucs, Saints, Panthers).



The Raiders are insane if they fire him.

My point isn't a particularly great one, but since the middle of this decade, they've represented 2/5 NFC teams in the Super Bowl. It doesn't make them suck any less a whole, but it is strange that in the 5 seasons they've really been terrible overall, they've managed to represent the NFC twice.

They still suck, don't get me wrong.

And, yes, the Raiders are stupid if they fire Cable, but all the signs are pointing to yes.

Speaking of firing, Mangina is gone in Cleveland. Sparano is probably next.
 

bunnyfubbles

Lifer
Sep 3, 2001
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The Kool-Aid must be stronger than I thought.

To decide Tebow could almost certainly be a starting TE? C'mon. He never played the position, he never caught passes and he never blocked lineman.

Odds are Tebow will be bust. At number 25 when you draft for a starting quarterback, if they guy at best becomes a bit player, it's a bust.

Look, Tebow doesn't have a very good arm. When he lines up and puts his whole body into he can throw ok, but in the NFL you need to throw the ball quickly, not always on balance or with your body. There is a reason all the pros keep questioning his arm.

Right now, I think its 50-50 whether Denver drafts a new QB with thier first of second picks in the draft.

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McDaniels just about completely fucked over the Broncos with his house-cleaning/driving-away of proven franchise players and drafting a non-NFL-QB so high.

They got incredibly lucky that Orton improved so much in Denver relative to his time with the Bears, and they'll be incredibly stupid if they decide to go with Tebow over Orton for the long haul.
 

bignateyk

Lifer
Apr 22, 2002
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McDaniels just about completely fucked over the Broncos with his house-cleaning/driving-away of proven franchise players and drafting a non-NFL-QB so high.

They got incredibly lucky that Orton improved so much in Denver relative to his time with the Bears, and they'll be incredibly stupid if they decide to go with Tebow over Orton for the long haul.

But the broncos have an extra player on the field when Tebow plays: Jesus.
 

AstroManLuca

Lifer
Jun 24, 2004
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McDaniels just about completely fucked over the Broncos with his house-cleaning/driving-away of proven franchise players and drafting a non-NFL-QB so high.

They got incredibly lucky that Orton improved so much in Denver relative to his time with the Bears, and they'll be incredibly stupid if they decide to go with Tebow over Orton for the long haul.

Figures Al Davis would fire a coach who greatly improved the team's record while sweeping the division and replace him with someone who blew all of Denver's draft picks they got from the Cutler trade on obvious busts.
 

Regs

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Aug 9, 2002
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Jets are a funny bunch. When they show up they win, and when they don't, it's a blow out by the end of the second qt when they have a hard time converting a single third down.
 

techs

Lifer
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The Kool-Aid must be stronger than I thought.

To decide Tebow could almost certainly be a starting TE? C'mon. He never played the position, he never caught passes and he never blocked lineman.

Odds are Tebow will be bust. At number 25 when you draft for a starting quarterback, if they guy at best becomes a bit player, it's a bust.

Look, Tebow doesn't have a very good arm. When he lines up and puts his whole body into he can throw ok, but in the NFL you need to throw the ball quickly, not always on balance or with your body. There is a reason all the pros keep questioning his arm.

Right now, I think its 50-50 whether Denver drafts a new QB with thier first of second picks in the draft.


Sure, Tebow has talent, but he wasn't the right pick for the Broncos. They have so many needs at so many positions and they have a guy that has proven himself capable at the QB position. I really think they'd be better off in the long run if they had drafted to their needs, not to a guy who *might* be a great QB or *might* be a good TE.

That being said, I also think that Tebow will eventually figure it out and become a pretty darn good starting QB.

this

McDaniels just about completely fucked over the Broncos with his house-cleaning/driving-away of proven franchise players and drafting a non-NFL-QB so high.

They got incredibly lucky that Orton improved so much in Denver relative to his time with the Bears, and they'll be incredibly stupid if they decide to go with Tebow over Orton for the long haul.

Jesus? He plays like a wuss.

If Kyle Orton could look like John Elway in this years Denver offense, than is it surprising Tebow could come out and hit the same high percentage passes?

I watched Tebow and he seldom dropped back and passed out of the pocket. Many of his throws came after he scrambled around. That tells me didn't see throws he could make on the drop back, and needed more separation between reciever and defensive back. Weak arm.

The jury is still out on Tebow. Heck, Browning Nagle had a great first game. (Jets fans know who I am talking about).
 

BeauJangles

Lifer
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Jesus? He plays like a wuss.

If Kyle Orton could look like John Elway in this years Denver offense, than is it surprising Tebow could come out and hit the same high percentage passes?

I watched Tebow and he seldom dropped back and passed out of the pocket. Many of his throws came after he scrambled around. That tells me didn't see throws he could make on the drop back, and needed more separation between reciever and defensive back. Weak arm.

The jury is still out on Tebow. Heck, Browning Nagle had a great first game. (Jets fans know who I am talking about).

I don't like Tebow at all. I never liked him in Florida, and I certainly don't like him in the NFL. He has done zero to show anybody that he's going to be a successful starting QB.

Despite that, some part of me still believes he'll figure it out. It is entirely illogical. He's done very little right during his first starts.
 

JujuFish

Lifer
Feb 3, 2005
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I'm not a Tebow fan but he's athletic, determined, and a winner. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he has a successful NFL career.
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
Jan 30, 2005
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I'm not a Tebow fan but he's athletic, determined, and a winner. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he has a successful NFL career.

If he was determined, he would have learned to throw properly back in high school or college instead of waiting a few weeks before the combines.

Doug Flutie was also athletic, determined and a winner but he couldn't throw for accuracy nor have a strong arm.

It's a passing league. History has shown that running QBs have a very short shelf-life in the NFL.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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McDaniels just about completely fucked over the Broncos with his house-cleaning/driving-away of proven franchise players and drafting a non-NFL-QB so high.

They got incredibly lucky that Orton improved so much in Denver relative to his time with the Bears, and they'll be incredibly stupid if they decide to go with Tebow over Orton for the long haul.

I have always been a fan of Orton. I think if the guy was given time in Chicago and not dicked around by Lovie they would have did great. Instead lovie had a hardon for rex and the guy is a bust.

I was really hopeing that Orton would have a amazing season with Denver. i was really pulling for him.

hell look where Rex ended up. 3rd string QB for the skins. finally gets to play just because t hey want to fuck over McNabb
 

hclarkjr

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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here is the draft order for non playoff teams for 2011 draft

1. Panthers (2-14)
2. Broncos (4-12)
3. Bills (4-12)
4. Bengals (4-12)
5. Cardinals (5-11)
6. Browns (5-11)
7. 49ers (6-10)
8. Titans (6-10)
9. Cowboys (6-10)
10. Redskins (6-10)
11. Texans (6-10)
12. Vikings (6-10)
13. Lions (6-10)
14. Dolphins (7-9)
15. Rams (8-8)
16. Jaguars (8-8)
17. Patriots (from 8-8 Raiders)
18. Chargers (9-7)
19. Giants (10-6)
20. Buccaneers (10-6)
 

imported_Champ

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here is the draft order for non playoff teams for 2011 draft

1. Panthers (2-14)
2. Broncos (4-12)
3. Bills (4-12)
4. Bengals (4-12)
5. Cardinals (5-11)
6. Browns (5-11)
7. 49ers (6-10)
8. Titans (6-10)
9. Cowboys (6-10)
10. Redskins (6-10)
11. Texans (6-10)
12. Vikings (6-10)
13. Lions (6-10)
14. Dolphins (7-9)
15. Rams (8-8)
16. Jaguars (8-8)
17. Patriots (from 8-8 Raiders)
18. Chargers (9-7)
19. Giants (10-6)
20. Buccaneers (10-6)

let the mock drafts begin on Feb 8th!
 

thraashman

Lifer
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here is the draft order for non playoff teams for 2011 draft

1. Panthers (2-14)
2. Broncos (4-12)
3. Bills (4-12)
4. Bengals (4-12)
5. Cardinals (5-11)
6. Browns (5-11)
7. 49ers (6-10)
8. Titans (6-10)
9. Cowboys (6-10)
10. Redskins (6-10)
11. Texans (6-10)
12. Vikings (6-10)
13. Lions (6-10)
14. Dolphins (7-9)
15. Rams (8-8)
16. Jaguars (8-8)
17. Patriots (from 8-8 Raiders)
18. Chargers (9-7)
19. Giants (10-6)
20. Buccaneers (10-6)

I think the question here is will the Panthers take Andrew Luck or will he fall all the way to #2 and be the new starter at Denver

After going to the Falcons v Panthers game this weekend and seeing Jimmy Clausen in person, I can say that he is NOT ready to be a starting QB in the NFL. Granted, their receivers suck too, but Jimmy needs to not be the starter next year.
 

imported_Champ

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I think the question here is will the Panthers take Andrew Luck or will he fall all the way to #2 and be the new starter at Denver

After going to the Falcons v Panthers game this weekend and seeing Jimmy Clausen in person, I can say that he is NOT ready to be a starting QB in the NFL. Granted, their receivers suck too, but Jimmy needs to not be the starter next year.

Luck may not even come out...although it would be giving up $90 Million he still may wait one more season. If the panthers pass on Luck I hope the Broncos do the smart thing and trade for everything the bills or seahawks have
 

JujuFish

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I like how the Bills get to draft before the Bengals despite having beaten them this season.
 

lupi

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Apr 8, 2001
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not sure how i'm going to pick on two games yet, kc-ravens has me with some doubt but the gb-iggle game is about a toss up. if vick had played the entire game at the start of the season, they would have easily won but now with a full season of injuries behind him i'm not so sure after their couple of recent performances.
 
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Perknose

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not sure how i'm going to pick on two games yet, kc-ravens has me with some doubt but the gb-iggle game is about a toss up. if vick had played the entire game at the start fo the season, they would have easily won but not with a full season of injuries behind him i'm not so sure after their couple of performances.

Not to mention that GB will be able to game plan for him this time, which they understandably had not the first time 'round.

But, yeah. So much hinges on which Vick shows up, and a lot of that hinges on his physical state.
 

fustercluck

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Rookie of the year I'd give to Suh or Rob Gronkowski. I hadn't seen Bradford at all until last night though so maybe he had a really good season for a rookie QB?

MVP is Brady, by about 100 miles.
 

KeithTalent

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Man I'll be cheering my ass off for the Seahawks. Would love to see them crush the stupid 'aints.

KT
 
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