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Perknose

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Seeing is believing, just sayin, these guys believe in themselves and that's probably the most important part, this game was no where near as close as the final score indicated. When you can bring your team into the loudest, most hostile environment and dominate the game like that it speaks for itself. The defense was outstanding and Romo no longer has to play from behind and try to force passes into bad places. The best part was watching loudmouth Sherman getting it shoved down his pie-hole by Murray with his feeble attempt at stopping his final TD run. Congrats to the Cowboy's and their fans for a great win, it was fun as heck to see the "12th man" shut the fuck up and shuffle out of the sold-out game to realize there will be no repeat of last year..

Awww, now you're making me feel bad for "crapping" on your fun . . . seriously. It's just that "greatness" comes and goes at warp speed these days. Hey, just ask the Seahawks!
 

RagingBITCH

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Seeing is believing, just sayin, these guys believe in themselves and that's probably the most important part, this game was no where near as close as the final score indicated. When you can bring your team into the loudest, most hostile environment and dominate the game like that it speaks for itself. The defense was outstanding and Romo no longer has to play from behind and try to force passes into bad places. The best part was watching loudmouth Sherman getting it shoved down his pie-hole by Murray with his feeble attempt at stopping his final TD run. Congrats to the Cowboy's and their fans for a great win, it was fun as heck to see the "12th man" shut the fuck up and shuffle out of the sold-out game to realize there will be no repeat of last year..

Loved the game and your response lol. What impressed me the most was being down 10-0...they folded in previous years past (and in the 1st game) but their resilience was impressive. Give credit to a more balanced attack - they had a great run game the past two years, but would abandon it after the first half. Good to see them keep plugging away...I think that's been the biggest difference so far this year. Can't just have 8 guys in coverage when you know the Cowboys aren't going to run.
 

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Did anyone else hear the defense chant on the Seahawks last drive? Guess a lot of Cowboys fans were there.
 

Perknose

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Did anyone else hear the defense chant on the Seahawks last drive? Guess a lot of Cowboys fans were there.

Like ebola in Liberia, Cowboys fans are everywhere! You'd think that here around Philly, any non-Iggles fans would have been mysteriously pushed into fast traffic by now, but NOOOOoooooooo! D:
 

MetalMat

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Did anyone else hear the defense chant on the Seahawks last drive? Guess a lot of Cowboys fans were there.

I'm not surprised, they are the most popular NFL team in the states. Seahawks have quite a few bandwagon fans, if they start losing the fan base will drop rapidly.
 

Retro Rob

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I'm not surprised, they are the most popular NFL team in the states. Seahawks have quite a few bandwagon fans, if they start losing the fan base will drop rapidly.

Yep, sure will, just like heat "fans" will magically become Cavs fans, or disappear altogether.
 

smackababy

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Yep, sure will, just like heat "fans" will magically become Cavs fans, or disappear altogether.

They weren't Heat fans, they were where "he at" fans.


Also, I don't understand the hate for Sherman. Outside of a few morons (Crabtree and DeSean Jackson), he never gets into any altercations. Look at what happened with him and Dez Bryant, who certainly isn't known for his modesty. They have respect for each other and it showed.
 

Retro Rob

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They weren't Heat fans, they were where "he at" fans.


Also, I don't understand the hate for Sherman. Outside of a few morons (Crabtree and DeSean Jackson), he never gets into any altercations. Look at what happened with him and Dez Bryant, who certainly isn't known for his modesty. They have respect for each other and it showed.

Just never liked Sherman's self-promotion, personally. That's makes it all the better when he's beat by top WRs.
 

dank69

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They weren't Heat fans, they were where "he at" fans.


Also, I don't understand the hate for Sherman. Outside of a few morons (Crabtree and DeSean Jackson), he never gets into any altercations. Look at what happened with him and Dez Bryant, who certainly isn't known for his modesty. They have respect for each other and it showed.
Sore winners are much worse than sore losers.
 

zinfamous

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Sherman is almost always responding to people talking shit about him. He rarely, if ever, starts anything. Sure, he could "be the bigger guy" and just shut up and ignore the mess like a lot of other people, but he doesn't.

Say what you will about the guy, but one thing is true: Crabtree really has no business talking shit about him
 

smackababy

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Sherman is almost always responding to people talking shit about him. He rarely, if ever, starts anything. Sure, he could "be the bigger guy" and just shut up and ignore the mess like a lot of other people, but he doesn't.

Say what you will about the guy, but one thing is true: Crabtree really has no business talking shit about him

The only people Sherman ever gets into it with are Crabtree and now Jackson (surprised on that one, said nobody ever). I haven't seen him say anything about any other players. He didn't mouth off in the Superbowl win. He didn't mouth off in wins against other teams. He responded to Keenan Allen talking mess, but that wasn't even really a response.
 
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The only people Sherman ever gets into it with are Crabtree and now Jackson (surprised on that one, said nobody ever). I haven't seen him say anything about any other players. He didn't mouth off in the Superbowl win. He didn't mouth off in wins against other teams. He responded to Keenan Allen talking mess, but that wasn't even really a response.

what did he say about desean jackson?
 

Imported

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The only people Sherman ever gets into it with are Crabtree and now Jackson (surprised on that one, said nobody ever). I haven't seen him say anything about any other players. He didn't mouth off in the Superbowl win. He didn't mouth off in wins against other teams. He responded to Keenan Allen talking mess, but that wasn't even really a response.

Didn't he also talk trash about Garcon? Dude just likes to hear his own voice.
 

vi edit

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Respect to Dallas for that game. That o-line and Murray punished the Seattle defense and on the other side of the ball the Dallas defense did an amazing job containing Lynch and Wilson. Just an incredibly gutsy game that they won straight up. Amazing escape by Romo on that last drive hitting Williams and then arguably one of the most incredible catches you'll see with him managing to get his toes down before falling out of bounds. Capped that off with Murray bulling his way into the end zone. That was just a very well earned win.
 

smackababy

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what did he say about desean jackson?

They got in some altercations during the game, due to DeSean grabbing his hair or something. Just general bad manners. But, that shouldn't be surprising. Jackson is pretty much everything personified in why the Eagles are scumbags, even though Kelly cut him.
 

dainthomas

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They got in some altercations during the game, due to DeSean grabbing his hair or something. Just general bad manners. But, that shouldn't be surprising. Jackson is pretty much everything personified in why the Eagles are scumbags, even though Kelly cut him.

The Cowboys were doing everything people were ragging on the Hawks for doing last year (offensive PI). Of course the league said they'd crack down on it, but apparently that's only for certain teams. Hell, on the hair-pulling play there was another obvious offensive PI that could have been called but the zebras swallowed their whistles.

Not saying that's why the Hawks lost, but it certainly didn't help.

And I personally like Sherman. The No Fun League needs more guys with personalities. And like was said, he's usually just responding to other people talking crap about him. At least he can back it up.
 

BergeLSU

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And what an awful performance by Atlanta. I have a feeling Mike Smith is going to be on the hot seat unless they can pull out a miracle and beat Chicago

It doesn't get much better for Atlanta. They don't have another home game until November 23rd!

@Baltimore
Detroit ("home" game in London)
BYE
@Tampa
@Carolina

Between this and the Saints starting 3/4 away from home, I clearly don't understand NFL scheduling
 

smackababy

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The Cowboys were doing everything people were ragging on the Hawks for doing last year (offensive PI). Of course the league said they'd crack down on it, but apparently that's only for certain teams. Hell, on the hair-pulling play there was another obvious offensive PI that could have been called but the zebras swallowed their whistles.

Not saying that's why the Hawks lost, but it certainly didn't help.

And I personally like Sherman. The No Fun League needs more guys with personalities. And like was said, he's usually just responding to other people talking crap about him. At least he can back it up.

I didn't notice much offensive PI, but they were physical. I don't have a problem with them letting it go against teams like the Seahawks, whose corners play physical as well. There weren't many penalties called for defensive holding / PI either, IIRC. The only BS call was on that Sherman tripping, IMO. But, I could see how it might have looked like he did trip Dez from the angle.
 

RPD

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Didn't he also get into after a game with Brady? The whole you mad bro pic on twitter or something?
 

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I didn't notice much offensive PI, but they were physical. I don't have a problem with them letting it go against teams like the Seahawks, whose corners play physical as well. There weren't many penalties called for defensive holding / PI either, IIRC. The only BS call was on that Sherman tripping, IMO. But, I could see how it might have looked like he did trip Dez from the angle.

The one call I thought was botched was the missed pass the play before Wilson's final INT. I thought the receiver was pretty clearly mugged by the Dallas defender. That one was iffy. Outside of that, I thought the refs let them play pretty physical. Dez vs that Seattle secondary was a treat to watch. I think both sides liked being able to fight for it.
 

Ban Bot

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Very disappointing game by Seattle. Cowboys are playing well, especially the running game, and they contained Wilson from doing too much damage.

Seattle played poor on Offense and Defense and still were in a position to win. If Romo doesn't escape two near sacks on the same play and then hit Williams on the best sideline toe touch I have seen converting a 3&20 Seattle likely wins that game. (Dallas was behind at that point with less than 5 on the clock iirc).

Obviously Dallas deserves their due: they had a great gameplan for a road game in Seattle and stuck to what got them where they are: they ran the ball even when it wasn't working. Frankly, I think people are too swayed by the end-of-game stat line. Murray was held in check most of the game. Even his average per carry (which was boosted by his long run) wasn't "crushing" to Seattle as it was well under 5 ypc. But Dallas kept with Murray and he eventually tore off a long run and gashed Seattle on that last drive. Kudos to Dallas for sticking with the gameplan, EVEN when they were down. It paid dividends in the end but it also paid dividends early: time of possession was 20 to 10 in the first half. Best way to beat Seattle? Keep their offense off the field and wear down the defense. Which Dallas did with 3 very long drives (all 9+ plays over 70 yards each).

Dallas came to play and they made plays when they had to and, most importantly, when the game momentum shifted to Seattle Dallas did NOT lose their cool and stay composed, didn't give up big plays or mistakes, and rallied. iirc Dallas went down 0-10 but Dallas was able to tie it up and went ahead 17-10. Seattle fought back and was up 20-17 in the 3rd and went up again 23-20 with 8 minutes left in the 4th. Dallas was really impressive in being able to weather each of those storms.

Which makes you look at Seattle. 2 carries for Lynch in the 1st half? And his first was for 5 yards. It was obvious early on that the Seattle line was going to SUCK again. Wilson was hit on 5 of his first 7 drop backs. Want to know why Seattle's defense was on the field all day and getting worn out? Look no further than Bevell's horrible play selection. Dallas is one of the worst defenses in total yard and avg. per carry in the league and Seattle is top 5 in both categories. Seattle had a lead a number of times and cannot protect Wilson. The obvious strategy should have been to feed the Beast. It is a lame excuse to not run when you are down a 10-14 points in the first 3 quarters but when you have a lead you should be running more than 2 times to your feature back. Lynch had 10 carries for 61 yards. Like Murray his yards per carry were inflated by a long run, but even that included Lynch was averaging over 3 yards per carry.

When you have an O-line like Seattle's--a negative pass pro team but an above average or plus run blocking team--and a back like Lynch you need to run the ball. Or (a) your QB gets killed (b) you loses time of possession and (c) your defense is on the field too long. I don't know how many times on 4 man rush plays where Seattle had a TE and RB in where 2 rushers immediately beat Seattle lineman off the line. The O-Line is Seattle's weak link as it prevents a mature passing game and is resulting in the Defense being on the field too long. (Seattle is obviously missing Zach Miller a lot more than expected i.e. their TE who pass and run blocks very well.)

Seattle has a number of other issues but the above are 1, 2, and 3. Sure, the DL needs more sacks, but the issue isn't pressure but finishing. Yes, Seattle receivers aren't getting separation but then again Seattle rarely has time to let routes develop and when they do in games like this Wilson doesn't trust his line (which he shouldn't). Until this happens we won't see Harvin on drag routes and such (which then boggles my mind why they don't run more legal pick routes.) The lack of depth is hitting Seattle hard. They now have their # 2, # 3, and # 4 Cornerbacks out (Maxwell, Lane, and Simon). Kam Chancellor is obviously a step slow with ankle and hip issues but they have no one behind him they can trust. IMO Earl Thomas is having a sub-standard year--a lot of missed tackles and when opportunities for big plays have been there he hasn't capitalized. But that goes for the entire team. Seattle has very few picks due to a lot of drops and LB play. And while they have forced quite a few fumbles they have recovered only a few. Which has them on defense abandoning good form tackling and going for way too many strips. Outside of Wagner and Irvin (who is just coming back from injury and playing mostly DE) I think Wright and Smith have not played consistently well at the LB position.

And there are other issues--like 3rd down and an ongoing trend that is 2 years old of settling for FGs instead of TDs--but a lot of these can be partially blamed on the OL. I cringe when Tom Cable praises his OL about what great games they have when they obviously are playing horrible. And it isn't just bad pass pro but also they are showing themselves undisciplined with a lot of false starts. Seattle is getting everyone's best shot (SB champs + a cocky team people want to shut up) so I expect more self critique as there is a lot of room to improve. All is not lost as Seattle had some rough spots last year too. People forget they struggled in the middle third of the season last year--they didn't look like the SB team all year last year. They were very good but not unbeatable (3 losses and quite a few close games, even to some poor teams like Tampa, Tennessee, and the Rams). Which always makes me roll my eyes when people talk about their "pass rush" from last year and how "integral Clemons" was. The same Clemons who missed the first couple games and was ineffective the entire season until the Playoffs as he was coming off an ACL. The player they miss most is Browner; Browner could be a liability when teams had 2+ seconds to allow pass plays to develop as he isn't quick but he could maul receivers off the line and slow them down and he was great on run support.

Seattle has a lot of work on. It is a long season and they have shown flashes of greatness. I think two of the bigger issues are addressable in the short term: Addressing the run game (like, you know, use it) and cutting down on OL penalties. I think Seattle beats Dallas if they had fixed those aspects. But they didn't and teams in the NFL are too good to play sloppy and expect to win. Dallas earned that game through and through. They were the better team yesterday. I think Seattle has the potential to be better come playoffs but if they don't address the coaching issues there is a good chance Wilson gets hurt and they could miss the playoffs.

Sherman. Saw a lot of fans all excited about Sherman being toasted by Dez Bryant. Really? Yes, Bryant got a couple good plays. But they were minimized, and were literally a couple, and he didn't score. At one point the prompter noted 9 passes to Bryant and only 3 completions. On the last TD pass Romo through he looked to Bryant 2x and Sherman had him blanketed--on the right side. With the current rules expecting any corner to prevent a WR to get no catches is unreasonable. But forcing a QB off his primary read, forcing uncatchable balls due to tight coverage, limiting explosive plays, and not allowing the guy you are covering score is the goal. Sherman did a great job of that. The elevator play where Bryant went above Sherman was a great call for the coverage as you had Sherman's back to the QB. And the slant route from the slot was partially to blame on the LB. The Linebacker's job is for inside support to "clog" up that lane but the LB gave Bryant a free pass leaving the ENTIRE middle of the field open. Of course Sherman was beat as the play is designed with inside support. Sherman recovered and prevented the score.

But all the Sherman haters will talk about is how Sherman was "beat." Not beat like Revis, Haden, and Peterson have been beat (abused at times) this year, but ignore those facts :\ Sherman isn't getting any props for following Bryant after the injury to Maxwell. Seattle's #5 corner cannot cover Bryant so what was best for the team was Sherman to cover Bryant. And he did. And Bryant became a minor factor as I just checked the stat line: 10 targets, 4 catches, 63 yards, 23 long, no TDs.

Of course Sherman got burned, abused, beat, exploited, exposed, etc. Because he is a system corner. He can only play zone. And he cannot follow around the other team's best receiver.

As a Seattle fan I hope Sherman gets abused for a total of 4 catches on 10 targets for no TDs all season!

They got in some altercations during the game, due to DeSean grabbing his hair or something. Just general bad manners. But, that shouldn't be surprising. Jackson is pretty much everything personified in why the Eagles are scumbags, even though Kelly cut him.

That was Garcon who grabbed Sherman's hair. Which is illegal unless Sherman has the ball in which case the hair is part of the uniform. Shocked he wasn't flagged for that or later in the WAS-SEA game when Garcon grabbed Sherman's face mask and went to the ground, pulling Sherman on top, and refusing to let go.
 

smackababy

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Didn't he also get into after a game with Brady? The whole you mad bro pic on twitter or something?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. But, wasn't Brady also talking smack to Sherman? He is known for saying some things, especially when losing. IIRC, he told Sherman "I'll see you after the game." And once the Seahawks came back (in part to Sherman's INT), he made sure Brady didn't skip out on his promise.

Seattle played poor on Offense and Defense and still were in a position to win.
This was due mostly to Dallas having some flubs early on and Seattle's special teams showing up, even when nobody else did. They just weren't showing up on offense. Lynch having so few carries didn't help either, but take away his 32 yard run and he wasn't doing anything. Dallas really showed up, which surprised Seattle, I think. Even as a Dallas fan, the fact they continue to have problems with turnovers and scores really worries me. Seattle did great to capitalize on them, same as SF did in the season opener. If we face a team that can do that AND fire well on offense, we are in trouble. As far as Seattle, they are a long way from being out of it.

That was Garcon who grabbed Sherman's hair. Which is illegal unless Sherman has the ball in which case the hair is part of the uniform. Shocked he wasn't flagged for that or later in the WAS-SEA game when Garcon grabbed Sherman's face mask and went to the ground, pulling Sherman on top, and refusing to let go.

I thought that was Jackson. Point still stands though.
 
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