OFFICIAL NFL week 9 thread

[IndyColtsFan]

There is that point, as well. I know Dungy is widely revered as an all-around great person, but I never really thought he was more than an average coach. He is brilliant defensively but I never got the sense that he knew offenses (Peyton was running that show), nor special teams. I think Dungy's hand-picked successor illustrates his overall mediocrity - Caldwell is one of the worst coaches in the NFL.

Before he was HC, Caldwell was the QB coach. OK, so let's think about that for a moment -- he "coached" Peyton Manning at his position. How do you think those conversations went?

CALDWELL: Let's start today's practice.
MANNING: OK. Man, I sure am thirsty.
CALDWELL: Oh? What would you like, Mr. Manning?
MANNING: Fruit punch Gatorade. While you're at it, can you get me a ham and swiss on rye, with spicy mustard? I need to study film and I'm hungry.
CALDWELL: Right away, Mr. Manning!
MANNING: Oh, Jim! I forgot -- go pick up my dry cleaning too. I have a commercial to film after work.

Honestly though, I do think Dungy gets a bum rap. People forget that he turned Tampa around. True, some of his best Buc players were holdovers from the Wyche era, but Dungy did shape that franchise up. I just don't think he has the fire to field a perennial champion. I'd hire him in a heartbeart to stabilize a team and point them in the right direction, but to get over the hump, you need someone with fire -- like Gruden.

 

[Via]

The last two games were basically early playoff games for the Bears, and now they can breathe a little. They really need to go 1-1 in these next two games to stand at 5-4 heading into that weird 4-game AFC West gauntlet.

If they play well they could sweep it and stand at 9-4 with easier games against Seattle and Minn still coming up. That would mean even losing the last two meetings against the Lions and Packers would still probably get a playoff game.

And, realistically, that's the hope for this season I think. One real playoff game.

I still think they need a complete overhaul.

 

[zinfamous]

You just want him to demand a trade to Denver, I bet.

Luck would be a fool to demand a trade if given the chance to be mentored by Manning.

I think that's a concept that tends to be created entirely by the media, if you ask me.

They work together, sure, and the backup is on the field and in practice watching the starter for however long, but I don't think those guys ever truly mentor anyone.

Even so--it isn't really needed. Plenty of top QBs these days have come straight into the NFL and succeeded as rookies

Consequently, he would be a fool to sign with Indy. Go somewhere that will actually play him. Or, maybe...Indy drafts Luck, trades Manning to Oakland for all of their (remaining) draft picks for the next decade?

I don't think Oakland has a draft pick for two years....

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I think that's a concept that tends to be created entirely by the media, if you ask me.

They work together, sure, and the backup is on the field and in practice watching the starter for however long, but I don't think those guys ever truly mentor anyone.

Even so--it isn't really needed. Plenty of top QBs these days have come straight into the NFL and succeeded as rookies

Consequently, he would be a fool to sign with Indy. Go somewhere that will actually play him. Or, maybe...Indy drafts Luck, trades Manning to Oakland for all of their (remaining) draft picks for the next decade?

I don't think Oakland has a draft pick for two years....

Manning may yet retire. We'll see. And I'm beginning to think that if he is healthy and the Colts get the #1 pick, maybe they can trade down a couple of slots, amass some players or draft picks, and still pick Barkley.

 

[zinfamous]

In the entire history of the Indy Colts, the only other decent QB we've had was Harbaugh. The rest have been awful! Manning saved this franchise.

:hmm:

different city, but same franchise. And that's a haircut you can set your watch to!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

:hmm:

different city, but same franchise. And that's a haircut you can set your watch to!

Yes, which is why I was careful and said Indy Colts.

 

[fustercluck]

Everyone overreacted after Tebow's first game (win) and overreacted after his second game (loss). I wonder where he is now

I picked Denver and Miami to win this week so I'm looking pretty good.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

:hmm:

different city, but same franchise. And that's a haircut you can set your watch to!

I lol'd.

 

[thraashman]

Everyone overreacted after Tebow's first game (win) and overreacted after his second game (loss). I wonder where he is now

I picked Denver and Miami to win this week so I'm looking pretty good.

Well Tebow has weapons around him that should let him do well. A lot of what he did was on his legs, which in the NFL you'd usually rather a QB not do. He still delivers weird and has a tendency to be slow to get rid of it and quick to scramble, but he played better. He also got hit a lot and banged up a lot. At his rate he'll play well against lesser teams and even mediocre ones. Defenses like Detroit will bang him up good unless he improves his play in the pocket.

 

[BUTCH1]

Well, the article implies that Bill's son, Chris, has been mainly responsible for the personnel decisions since 2007, when they started getting REALLY bad. Chris has no real qualifications other than Bill being his dad, and Bill is now circling the wagons to point fingers at anyone but him and Chris. Let's not forget, Bill was the one who just two short weeks ago, told the press that Caldwell was doing an "outstanding" job.

Also, I agree with you about Green Bay. The only one who can seriously challenge them, IMO, is the Saints. GB has some defensive weaknesses and a team with a good offense and a strong defense might challenge them.

Could it be the Ravens? the D's gonna show up every week, that's for sure. If the O can get better consistent, who knows, plus they've got a LB named Suggs, one of the best LB names ever, LOL...

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Could it be the Ravens? the D's gonna show up every week, that's for sure. If the O can get better consistent, who knows, plus they've got a LB named Suggs, one of the best LB names ever, LOL...

With Green Bay, you're going to have to put up a lot of points regardless of how well your D plays. Even if the Ravens' D held Green Bay to 21 points, I'm not sure their offense can score more than that against Green Bay's D.

 

[zinfamous]

Go Go Monsters of the Midway!

 

[zinfamous]

hey yo--can we stop talking about the Colts and Manning for a seconds while we watch an actual game between two teams that actually matter?

 

[MotF Bane]

Well, Bears made that one look easy.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

hey yo--can we stop talking about the Colts and Manning for a seconds while we watch an actual game between two teams that actually matter?

Hey, we can chat about Norval if you'd like. :awe:

 

[zinfamous]

Looks Bears O-line has returned from their vacation over the first half of the season.

 

[Balt]

"He took a shot to the most painful and sensitive area."

lol

 

[purbeast0]

the bears have scored 6 more points in the first half than the redskins scored in their past 2 games.

so pathetic.

 

[zinfamous]

RIP Joe Frasier.

 

[zinfamous]

couple of things:

--I really like Cutler, always have. Nice to see what he can do when the O-Line is working for him

--Is Roy Williams the most overpaid player in the NFL--perhaps in pro sports? He has never been good. I have no idea on his salary, but I am sure that it is at least 5x what he is worth. I wouldn't be surprised if he is still playing off of Detroit's dime, though.

--Get some scores for Hester god damn it!!

 

[The Boston Dangler]

RIP Joe Frasier.

down goes frazier

 

[zinfamous]

that's why he's a punter!

 

[Via]

Two fuckups in a row, one by each team.

I'm too nervous to post.

 

[davmat787]

What a pathetic pass attempt by the punter, seems like he was too excited or surprised by how open the receiver was on the fake.

 

[zinfamous]

Joe Frazier believes that William Pitt was the greatest Prime Minsiter in British History.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/35052/the-simpsons-barney-instigates-a-fight