Official NHL 2011-2012 Season Thread

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Train

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You come up with biggest excuses I ever seen. All you say is "the box score tells the same story I referred to" and don't point out anything from it? List exactly what is in the box score tells your story because you are full of hot air. The Pens dominated the Preds 5 to 1 and that a fact you can't deal with.

Did you just show up in this thread with all your hype after Crosby came back? I don't remember you being here during the previous 90% of the season.

Are you "that kind of fan" ?
 

Fingolfin269

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Well Train, it looks like we're going to keep flip flopping in the standings all the way to the end. When I looked last night it was Det 4, Preds 5, with only 1 point differential. If the Preds are going to be forced to play the Wings in the first round I'm just hoping for home ice!
 

Chappie

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It looks to me like both Detroit and the Preds need to watch out for the Hawks...they are playing well...
 

FallenHero

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It looks to me like both Detroit and the Preds need to watch out for the Hawks...they are playing well...

Not gonna lie, the central division is probably the toughest in the NHL to actually maintain a lead in. When 4 teams in it are playoff bound, no one is safe.
 

Train

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It looks to me like both Detroit and the Preds need to watch out for the Hawks...they are playing well...

Chicagos defense is pure sickness right now. The last time I watched them they were absolutely bottling people up. It was like an instructional video on how team defense should be played.

Which works well when playing a different team every night, which is why they are on a 9-1-1 streak, but put them in a 7 game series and someone will find ways to poke holes by game 3. But then they havea pretty good offense too, so IMO they will be one tough team to beat come playoffs.
 

Fingolfin269

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It looks to me like both Detroit and the Preds need to watch out for the Hawks...they are playing well...

That's a real good point too. Chicago has been on fire lately. I'll be at the Preds/Hawks game on 3/31 and it could be a very meaningful game for both teams (and Detroit).
 

Dominato3r

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Still waiting for the 5 game for Sedin for his hit on keith that started it.

Of course, since the NHL is scared of punishing women, it wont happen.

Video of both:

http://www.csnchicago.com/pages/v11_videodetail?PID=6cLLTB-WLIg4a49DUgXOblTlgxcCl5dCgnvm_Kv

Keith pretty much fucked himself over when he said "I'm going to get you" to Daniel and the ref heard it. Also I don't think the hits are anywhere near the same, Keith's was much worse.

If you watch the video dissecting the suspension/hit it seems like they looked at Daniel's hit but didn't think it was worth suspension.
 

FallenHero

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Keith pretty much fucked himself over when he said "I'm going to get you" to Daniel and the ref heard it. Also I don't think the hits are anywhere near the same, Keith's was much worse.

If you watch the video dissecting the suspension/hit it seems like they looked at Daniel's hit but didn't think it was worth suspension.

All I'm saying is don't try to take a guys head off and then expect nothing be done about it. I don't want to hear a thing about how the Sedin's are clean players from now on.
 

sjwaste

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They only spin the NHL wheel of justice once, looks like Sedin got off. Good thing Keith gave him a concussion, that's effectively the suspension the NHL won't hand out right there.

There's an absolute double standard depending on the player. Kronwall went for Voracek's head and got nothing, but Rinaldo got suspended for a lot less. Malkin is one of the cheapest players in the league and routinely gets away with it, as does Letang. I could go on.

And before some "I didn't even know hockey existed before the Pens tanked a season to draft Crosby" Pens fan chimes in, go ahead and tell me how Kunitz gets away with slamming Hartnell's head on the ice with his knee in the middle of a scrum.

The NHL's discipline is at best, arbitrary, and at worst, biased.
 

Via

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If someone sets up a fund to reimburse Keith for his lost wages I'll chip in $100.

You think that little pansy won't think twice about cheapshotting someone else next time?
 

sjwaste

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If someone sets up a fund to reimburse Keith for his lost wages I'll chip in $100.

You think that little pansy won't think twice about cheapshotting someone else next time?

That's the problem. The new NHL doesn't want the players policing the game (see the instigator rule, guys getting 2/10 for saying something to another player). The league also puts very subjective rules in place on what you can and can't do. Then they go and apply those rules unevenly, where the same hit by two different players will result in no hearing at all for one guy and 5 games for another.

The most ridiculous part is the whole "past history" consideration when giving out punishment. So you have guys like Malkin who have no prior history because when they come up for review, they have no prior history. Malkin's a good example, actually, because he got an instigator that came with an automatic suspension, which the league rescinded. So he should automatically have a prior history, but doesn't.

The league as a whole is full of shit. They went from Campbell and his obvious conflict of interest (his SON is a fucking player) to Shanahan, who clearly understands what counts as crossing the line (from doing it so often as a player) and can't apply it fairly.

I mean, holy shit, the NHL's outlets are so busy blowing Crosby right now that you'd hardly know Stamkos has 50 goals on the season.
 

Via

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That's the problem. The new NHL doesn't want the players policing the game (see the instigator rule, guys getting 2/10 for saying something to another player). The league also puts very subjective rules in place on what you can and can't do. Then they go and apply those rules unevenly, where the same hit by two different players will result in no hearing at all for one guy and 5 games for another.

The most ridiculous part is the whole "past history" consideration when giving out punishment. So you have guys like Malkin who have no prior history because when they come up for review, they have no prior history. Malkin's a good example, actually, because he got an instigator that came with an automatic suspension, which the league rescinded. So he should automatically have a prior history, but doesn't.

The league as a whole is full of shit. They went from Campbell and his obvious conflict of interest (his SON is a fucking player) to Shanahan, who clearly understands what counts as crossing the line (from doing it so often as a player) and can't apply it fairly.

I mean, holy shit, the NHL's outlets are so busy blowing Crosby right now that you'd hardly know Stamkos has 50 goals on the season.

Just to be clear - I was talking about Sedin having second thoughts, not Keith.
 

sjwaste

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Just to be clear - I was talking about Sedin having second thoughts, not Keith.

I know, and I agree with you. It just sent me off on a rant about why the NHL is getting worse. Sedin deserved it, but Keith is the only one suspended. Like I said, the concussion might be the suspension the NHL otherwise wouldn't have given Sedin. Or at least, that's what I meant by it.
 

Squisher

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Kronwall went for Voracek's head and got nothing,

See now I'm going to disagree with you on this. Kronwall has in the past leaped during hits and used his arms and elbows and should have gotten fines and suspensions on many occasions, but in the last year he's made a point of coming into his crushing hits by turning his back to the player and keeping his skates on the ice and not pushing through the hit.

If a player is skating bent over leaning with his head down are defensemen supposed to jump out the puck carrier's way and allow them free reign do go down ice unscathed? If so, I suggest all puck carriers skate with their heads down bent over and no one will be allowed to touch them. This would be really be the new NHL.
 

sjwaste

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See now I'm going to disagree with you on this. Kronwall has in the past leaped during hits and used his arms and elbows and should have gotten fines and suspensions on many occasions, but in the last year he's made a point of coming into his crushing hits by turning his back to the player and keeping his skates on the ice and not pushing through the hit.

If a player is skating bent over leaning with his head down are defensemen supposed to jump out the puck carrier's way and allow them free reign do go down ice unscathed? If so, I suggest all puck carriers skate with their heads down bent over and no one will be allowed to touch them. This would be really be the new NHL.

He didn't quite leave his feet, but he got up to hit Voracek in the head. That could have been shoulder to shoulder, but Kronwall went for the head. That's what makes it a dirty hit. I agree that Voracek shouldn't have been coming in with his head down, but that doesn't give the other player a license to go up high. If it did, why did Rinaldo get suspended for hitting Ericsson while he was watching his own pass? They both went up high, Kronwall just got on his toes and Rinaldo is shorter.

Just so you don't think I'm being a homer, I also think Sestito went high on Horton in the same way Kronwall and Rinaldo did. All 3 have to be a suspension, or all 3 have to be nothing. Instead, Sestito and Kronwall got off, while Rinaldo got suspended.

That's the new NHL.
 
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Dominato3r

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Come on guys, I try not be a homer, but honestly, Daniel's hit was no-where near what Keith did. The Sedin's have never once tried to intentionally hurt another player, in fact this may be the first questionable hit the either of them have dished in their career. You could argue they embellish calls, but they are not dirty players at all.

Missing the Sedin hit on Keith is absolutely no excuse for Keith to have delivered that head shot elbow. No excuse at fucking all. That line of thinking is beyond absurd.
 

Via

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I certainly don't watch Vancouver when they don't play Chicago, but if that hit by Sedin wasn't meant to injure I don't know what it was.

Vancouver and non-Vancouver fans can't be expected to see anything in the same light, but the Canucks have been playing the Blackhawks in a pretty goonish style for a while now, and Daniel got caught up in something he shouldn't have.

It's pretty easy for Hawks fans to follow this logic: the Hawks are the hottest team in the West since they got their D straightened out, and will only only get better when Toews returns. Putting Keith and Seabrook back together consistently has been a huge part of that. If that pairing could be split up again it might send the Hawks back into a tailspin, and what easier way to do that nowadays if not with "concussion-like symptoms".

And what's the easiest way to produce those? A violent hit to the head area when the recipient of the hit isn't expecting it. Do you think for a second Keith was expecting that hit by Sedin?

Keith has been a pretty clean player his entire career. Why do you think he got set off by this? I'll tell you why: He knew exactly what was going on with that cheap shot.

edit - I'm aslo very interested to see when Sedin plays again (and how effective he is). Theres been a lot of speculation among non-Canuck fans that the Canucks decided to play up Sedin's injury in an attempt to influence the length of Keith's suspension to reach into the playoffs.
 
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Squisher

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He didn't quite leave his feet, but he got up to hit Voracek in the head. That could have been shoulder to shoulder, but Kronwall went for the head. That's what makes it a dirty hit. I agree that Voracek shouldn't have been coming in with his head down, but that doesn't give the other player a license to go up high. If it did, why did Rinaldo get suspended for hitting Ericsson while he was watching his own pass? They both went up high, Kronwall just got on his toes and Rinaldo is shorter.

Just so you don't think I'm being a homer, I also think Sestito went high on Horton in the same way Kronwall and Rinaldo did. All 3 have to be a suspension, or all 3 have to be nothing. Instead, Sestito and Kronwall got off, while Rinaldo got suspended.

That's the new NHL.
I didn't see any getting up on the toes of Kronwall and to not catch Voracek's head would have meant that Kronwall would have had to bend over and then there would be a good chance that Voracek would flip over the top of Kronwall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8T9sKZiGzk

Rinaldo jumps at the end, shoulder and forearm driving up on the head. And, it is something I've seen Kronwall do a 100 times in the past and get away with it because he's smaller, but that won't fly anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xtHdbV1UU8
 
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