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NHL and NHLPA meet for six hours

Canadian Press
4/19/2005

NEW YORK (CP) - There was no progress to report from Tuesday's NHL labour talks and things apparently ended badly.

Still, the NHL and NHL Players' Association agreed to meet with a little more frequency to help find an end to the seventh-month lockout, starting with another session next week.

Hopefully things won't pick up where they left off Tuesday.

Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, according to a source, sparked a heated exchange between both sides when he said the NHLPA's concept did not deliver the linked system his side was looking for - that player costs do not take up more than 54 per cent of league revenues.

The union responded by saying its concept was not supposed to deliver that figure, or the league's version of ''linkage.''

That pretty much ended the six and half hour meeting.

''While we discussed many of the issues related to the concept that we introduced at our last meeting, we were unable to make any progress today,'' said NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin. ''I remain concerned that the NHL is not serious about developing new concepts together and remains fixated on measuring all of our proposed concepts against a linked hard-cap system. I fail to see how we can make any progress if the NHL maintains their single-track approach.

''I expect Bob and Gary will be speaking again soon to discuss any next steps.''

NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman will likely pick up the phone before the end of the weekend to decide when both sides will talk again.

The league and union had not met since April 4 in Toronto, when the NHLPA put something on the table that found some merit, at least on the surface, from the league side.

''While we continued to discuss various issues relating to the concept that was introduced at our April 4 meeting, no substantive progress toward a new agreement was made,'' Bill Daly, the NHL's executive vice-president and chief legal officer, said in a statement. ''The parties have agreed to arrange a more aggressive meeting schedule over the next several weeks in an attempt to move the process forward.''

Tuesday's talks, which began just past 11 a.m. EDT and ended around 5:30 p.m. were held on the eve on another board of governors meeting, also here in New York. The league's 30 owners are scheduled to meet at 11 a.m. at a Manhattan hotel.

The subject of replacement players will once again be front and centre at Wednesday's meeting, although it's not clear that all 30 teams are in favour of going that route.

Either way, Bettman remains adamant that the NHL season will begin next October regardless of what transpires.

''My stance on starting the season hasn't changed,'' he told reporters after Tuesday's labour talks. ''What I have said is that we are planning to start the season on time and that is a plan that will continue to be in place. But I do have a board meeting tomorrow and we have a number of issues and options and matters to discuss with the board so I can talk more about that tomorrow.''

Bettman said replacement players didn't come up during Tuesday's meeting, and if the NHLPA's latest concept leads to a workable framework, they won't be needed.

On April 4, the union introduced a floating team-by-team payroll range that has a lower and upper limit linked to league revenues. Based on last season's revenues of $2.1 billion US, the upper salary cap would be $50 million per team, with a minimum base of $30 million.

But the cap changes depending on year-by-year revenues. Given that revenues are expected to take a major hit because of the damage from wiping out an entire season, the cap figure will likely be lower in the second year of the new deal. If, say, revenues are $1.5 billion the first season back, the union plan would lower the upper cap number to around $35 million and the base number to $15 million.

On the other hand, if NHL revenues grow down the road, the upper limit on payroll would rise accordingly.

In the end, the payroll range would be altered year-by-year depending on revenues.

The league has two major issues with the concept and sources said they were not close to being resolved in talks Tuesday:

- The league wants a smaller gap than $20 million between the upper and lower limit;

- The league also wants a lower upper limit than $50 million to start next season, instead of basing it on last year's revenues.

The two sides would also need to agree on what constitutes revenue, which has been a major point of contention since the beginning of this process more than two years ago.

A payroll tax is also likely to be included in the middle of the payroll range.

Daly, Bettman, Jacobs and league outside counsel Bob Batterman were at Tuesday's meeting as well as New Jersey Devils CEO and GM Lou Lamoriello, board of governors chairman Harley Hotchkiss, Nashville Predators owner Craig Leipold, NHL director of hockey operations Colin Campbell and NHL general counsel David Zimmerman.

Goodenow headed his side alongside Saskin, associate counsel Ian Pulver and outside counsel John McCambridge.

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NHL Board of Governors end meeting

Canadian Press
4/20/2005

NEW YORK (CP) - The NHL won't start next season unless a collective bargaining agreement is reached, commissioner Gary Bettman said Wednesday, seemingly removing the threat of using replacement players.

''If we don't have a new CBA so that our players can start the season with us in October, we will not open on time,'' Bettman said following a four-hour meeting with owners and GMs.

That message was in contrast to the one 51 days ago. The owners left the last board-of-governors meeting saying there would be hockey in October regardless, which hinted at the possibility of replacement players.

''I think that we can move forward and plan to play a season however it happens this coming year,'' Edmonton Oilers chair Cal Nichols said March 1.

Now that has changed.

''We are focusing on a getting a collective bargaining agreement with NHL players,'' said Richard Peddie, president and CEO and Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment. ''What they were doing was looking at alternatives a month an a half ago . . . we're trying to get back to playing NHL hockey with NHL calibre players. In the end, everyone agreed `let's keep focusing on getting a deal.'''

Bettman said the use of replacement players was only one of several ideas examined by owners and was never a chosen course of action.

''The fact of the matter is, and we made this clear over the last month or so, we were going to explore all of our options,'' Bettman said. ''That doesn't mean you're doing it or not doing it, it doesn't mean it's a good idea or a bad idea.

''Obviously if we can't open on time, the options become an issue again. But it was never that it was in, and rejected, or out and accepted.''

Either way, it means legal impasse and all the ugly legal wrangling that would have ensued have now been temporarily shelved.

But that doesn't mean it's the last we've heard of replacement players. If the season doesn't start on time, the NHL may have to look at it again.

''Among the options (if the season is delayed) are continuing to stay shut down - indefinitely or for some period of time - another is playing with new players,'' Bettman said. ''But we're not going to speculate about that because we want it to be clear our focus is on making a deal with the Players' Association.''

Perhaps just the threat of using replacement players has done what the owners wanted all along in getting the union to the table.

After all, with players not expecting their next NHL paycheque until October, there was a fear from the NHL side that the union would not talk all summer.

"We have stayed out of the replacement player debate since we thought it was a poorly conceived and ill-advised strategy," said NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow. "Finally, it appears the League has come to realize it would be bad for the fans, the sport and the business. The NHL should focus its efforts on reaching an agreement with the players."

Bettman said he would call Goodenow later Wednesday to formalize a schedule that would see both sides hold bargaining talks twice a week from here on in.

But it reamins to be seen if the union has interest in resuming talks anytime soon. NHLPA brass remain angry at the way Tuesday's talks ended, with Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs sparking a heated exchange by saying the union's concept wasn't any good unless it guaranteed that player costs don't take up more than 54 per cent of revenues.

So what's the deadline to get a deal done? Bettman wouldn't say. Some might speculate that it's tied to ESPN's deadline on whether to continue its relationship with the NHL.

''They have an option period through some point in June to exercise their option or not for next year and we're in discussion with them,'' Bettman said. ''I'm not particularly concerned about that an issue.''

Said Bill Daly, the NHL's executive vice-president and chief legal officer, about ESPN affecting the time frame to get a deal done with the NHLPA: ''We're not tying one to the other.''

Despite the fact Tuesday's labour talks ended rather badly, owners and executives left Wednesday's board meeting feeling upbeat about finally ending this seventh-month lockout.

''The feeling in the room was that we're getting closer to a deal with the players,'' said Dallas Stars president Jim Lites.

''They're inching towards a settlement. We're on the same page finally.''

The league seems willing to negotiate off a union concept first presented April 4. It would see an upper limit on payrolls as well as a base, linked on a yearly basis to league revenues.

''Two weeks ago when we met, we said to the union that this was a concept we could work with,'' Bettman said. ''The fact of the matter is, if you want to tweak the concept we can still work with it. I think this is really now just about dollars and cents.

''There would be no point in stalling in any longer,'' added Bettman. ''The ownership resolve is unquestionable. The unity is there. The result is inevitable - this is going to get fixed so let's get it done. Let's get through the dollars and cents and let's start planning for a season.''

The major stumbling block with the union concept is where to begin the upper salary cap and the base in the first season back. The union wants to start it at $50 million at the top and $30 million at the base, which are numbers too high for the league.

''The economic realities are such that I believe at some point the union will decide to finally negotiate, to stop the jockeying,'' Bettman said.

''Because if you look at where we are, the union having said for as long as anyone can remember that they'll never, ever, ever agree to a cap, is now negotiating a cap. So that's the good news. The bad news is it bears no economic reality to what we need. But at least now we're in the negotiations over dollars and cents.''

The order for the next entry draft was not brought up Wednesday, which was somewhat surprising after the contentious discussion GMs had on the subject two weeks ago in Detroit.

All 30 teams want a crack at the No. 1 pick, which is expected to be hockey phenom Sidney Crosby.

''The draft is not a front-burner issue,'' Bettman said. ''What happens is that teams are very excited about the possibility of a draft because of who might be the first pick. But what we're involved in right now is much more important than a particular draft. It will be dealt with at the appropriate time.''

There was also no talk Wednesday of selling the NHL. The last board of governors meeting featured a $3.5-billion US offer from private equity firm Bain Capital LLC and sports investment bank Game Plan LLC to buy all 30 teams.

''The group in Boston stays in touch with us on a regular basis,'' Bettman said. ''They remain interested. This is not something that right now is on the front burner because it would require the unanimous support of ownership because they want to buy all the franchises and I don't think you would get the owners to sell all 30 franchises.''

Said Peddie: ''The Leafs are not for sale.''

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Orr: 'Our sport is in danger'

Associated Press
4/24/2005

LAWRENCE, Mass. (AP) - Boston Bruins legend Bobby Orr is calling on National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman and players union executive director Bob Goodenow to ''get out of the way'' if they can't solve the impasse that triggered the cancellation of the NHL's season.

In a column written for the Sunday Eagle-Tribune, the 1970s hockey star wrote, ''Our sport is in danger of becoming irrelevant unless both sides immediately put an end to this nonsense.''

Orr said in his column published Sunday that he initially resisted the urge to comment on the labour dispute and resulting shutdown of the NHL's season because he believed the two sides would resolve their differences for the good of the game.

But he said he no longer believes either side was interested in getting a fair deal done.

Owners and players must demand that Bettman and Goodenow meet immediately, and keep meeting until they emerge with either an agreement or a statement that they can't resolve their differences and they are stepping aside, Orr wrote.

Representatives of the owners and the players union have met better than three dozen times since their collective bargaining agreement expired last Sept. 15, the day Bettman declared the lockout that ended the season. The two sides have failed to resolve differences that made the NHL the first major sports league in North America to lose an entire season to a labour dispute.

Orr, 57, still lives in Boston and operates a hockey player sports agency. The married father of two grown sons remains one of the most revered figures in hockey. His No. 4 Bruins jersey was retired by the team in 1979 after a brilliant career cut short by a bad knee.

A panel of experts assembled by The Hockey News voted him one of the game's three greatest players of the 20th century, along with Gordie Howe and Wayne Gretzky.

Orr won the Norris Trophy as the NHL's top defenceman a record eight consecutive times and was the league's most valuable player three times. He remains the only defenceman to win the league scoring championship, a feat he accomplished twice.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Mayfriday0529

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Without reading what's above me, what's the deal are we going to have a season in september, i'm going to see Mark Messier and Mario play again?

cliffnotes please.
 

Aquaman

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Originally posted by: Jnetty99
Without reading what's above me, what's the deal are we going to have a season in september, i'm going to see Mark Messier and Mario play again?

cliffnotes please.

No Cliff notrtes

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Aquaman
 

rh71

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and in other news... the Washington Capitals' new AHL affiliate are the Hershey Bears... (Colorado's former affiliate). In case you're wondering, respective teams' prospects simply change AHL uniforms... they don't change NHL teams.
 

Aquaman

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Originally posted by: Aquaman
Bertuzzi just got reinstated today.

Cheers,
Aquaman

Good for him. :thumbsup:


I read the TSN report wrong....... his hearing is over........ waiting for the outcome.

Cheers.,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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NHLPA files for union certification

Canadian Press
4/28/2005

TORONTO (CP) - The NHL Players' Association has applied for union certification in Quebec and British Columbia, moves that are intended to block the potential use of replacement players in those provinces.

The NHL indicated Thursday it will challenge the applications and that the union's moves "will have no impact" on the league's plans going forward. It also accused the union of violating U.S. and Canadian labour laws concerning collective bargaining by making the applications.

The NHLPA is seeking to establish the association in Quebec and B.C. as a legal entity with rights similar to those of trade unions. It's a significant move designed to prevent the NHL from using replacement players. Both Quebec and B.C. don't allow the use of replacement workers during strikes or lockouts, but only when the workers being replaced belong to certified unions.

If the NHLPA is certified as a union in those provinces, the Vancouver Canucks and Montreal Canadiens would not be allowed to hire replacements.

Legal opinions differ over whether the two teams could simply play home games elsewhere while the lockout continues. Some experts say the league and the clubs would be slapped with unfair labour practice charges under that scenario.

The NHLPA announced the moves in a two-sentence statement.

"We will not be commenting further while the administrative processes are underway," NHLPA spokesman Jonathan Weatherdon said.

A hearing on the B.C. application will take place before the province's labour relations board on May 3, where objections, if any, by the league or Canucks can be filed. Without objections, the certification could be completed in just a few weeks.

The NHL released a short statement indicating it may indeed challenge the applications.

"We believe these petitions are inconsistent with both the history and the reality of collective bargaining in this industry, and that the NHLPA's act of filing the petitions is inappropriate and in violation of its obligations under applicable labour legislation in the United States and Canada," NHL chief legal officer Bill Daly said.

"Obviously, we will take appropriate steps to preserve and protect our rights. Ultimately, these filings will have no impact on the league's business alternatives going forward."

The league has already filed two charges against the players' association alleging unfair labour practices in the United States with the National Labor Relations Board. One challenges the union's threat of de-certification for agents representing replacement players; the other argues against a union policy that appears to financially penalize members who become replacement players.

In theory, the NHL could look at a bizarre but unlikely scenario whereby next season opens with replacement players, but without two of its six Canadian teams. Replacement workers are allowed in the United States, Ontario and Alberta.

The NHL has said the use of replacement players was an option, but not a preferred course of action.

Recent talk suggested the league was losing interest in the use of replacements, due to legal ramifications and whether they would be accepted by fans. However, the NHL hasn't closed the door on the possibility.

Legal experts say the union's moves for certification aim could close loopholes and make it harder for replacements to hit the ice.

"Once they're certified, the opportunity to engage replacement players would go the way of the dodo," said Allen Craig, a lawyer and employment law expert at Gowling Lafleur Henderson LLP in Toronto.

Opinions differ on whether the league could simply move the Canadiens and Canucks - for example, to Halifax and Seattle - at the start of the season in an effort to get around replacement worker laws.

"I am not satisfied that the NHL is prevented from moving the teams in question if necessary, although it would certainly create an interesting legal dispute that might get into an international jurisdictional issue," said Jamie Knight, a labour law expert and partner at Toronto firm Filion Wakely Thorup Angeletti.

The applications to labour relations boards in Quebec and B.C. seem simple enough on paper. The fact applications for certification have already been filed means a majority of Canadiens and at least 45 per cent of Canucks players have already signed union cards required to apply for union certification, Craig said.

Establishing a B.C. chapter may require a vote by Canucks players, which the union has requested be handled through mail-in ballots. In Quebec, a union can be certified without a vote even being held as long as at least half of the union's members favour representation - which is likely given NHLPA solidarity.

If there are few, if any, legal challenges, certification could be approved in weeks, well ahead of the opening of training camps in September. But the NHL's statement appears to suggest the league will try to delay the certifications.

Both jurisdictions require that members of the proposed unions have paid union dues in recent months, which they have. The union might have to establish specific union representation in each province - a local president, for example - and hold an annual meeting, but generally players won't see much of a difference in their representation.

Ontario used to have similar laws barring replacements. The Toronto Blue Jays would have been forced to play in Dunedin, Fla., had the 1994 baseball strike stretched into the new season. However, the former Conservative government under Premier Mike Harris later repealed that law.

The NHL and the union have tentative plans to resume labour talks next Thursday and Friday, but there is a potential scheduling conflict that could eliminate Thursday as a meeting date.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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McKenzie: Strategic move by NHLPA

TSN.ca Staff
4/28/2005

There's really not a lot to say about the NHLPA's move to become a certified union in Quebec and British Columbia that isn't patently obvious. It is what it is, a strategic move designed to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to use replacement players.

More interesting may be the reaction of organized labour to potentially having the Players' Association climb onto the "union" bandwagon. The NHLPA, after all, has always gone out of its way to say it's not really a union, it's an "Association."

Unions traditionally make "job security" the paramount consideration in any negotiation. As Bob Goodenow has said countless times, the NHLPA doesn't negotiate job security for its members.

If the NHLPA is designated a true union, the benefit as it relates to combating replacement players is obvious. But as any member of any real union will tell you, it's a brotherhood. And when one union gets into trouble, the others are expected to pitch in and help out.


If the NHLPA is going to drape itself in the union label, there may come a time down the road when organized labour will expect the NHLPA to return the favour. Like, how about when some other union is picketing outside the Bell Centre or GM Place, the good union brothers of the NHLPA wouldn't think of crossing that line to play a game now, would they?

Hey, it's clear why the NHLPA is making the move and it makes perfect sense in terms of NHLPA strategy. But as any true union brother, from Buzz Hargrove to Bob White, will tell you, there are benefits to being in a union, but there are many sacrifices, too.

Which is to suggest the NHLPA and organized labour may make strange bedfellows before it's all said and done.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Congress may interrupt CBA talks

TSN.ca Staff
5/1/2005

INNSBRUCK, Austria (CP) - The NHL and NHL Players' Association will resume labour talks later this week in Toronto before bringing their act overseas here at the world hockey championship.

Meetings are tentatively scheduled to be held Thursday and Friday in Toronto, according to sources.

Thursday may have to be shelved if NHL commissioner Gary Bettman is called to appear in front of the U.S. Congress steroid committee.

Bettman and NHL executive vice-president Bill Daly are then scheduled to arrive in Austria on May 11.

The two sides haven't met since April 19 in New York, when the talks ended with an angry exchange between Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs and NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow.

The league hopes to meet twice a week from now on in a bid to finally end the lockout.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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NHL, NHLPA to resume talks Thursday

TSN.ca Staff
5/2/2005

The NHL and NHL Players' Association will resume collective bargaining negotiations on Thursday and Friday in Toronto.

Sources told TSN it doesn't look as though NHL commissioner Gary Bettman will be called to the U.S. Congressional hearings on the use of steroids in sports on Thursday, so the league can proceed with its originally scheduled negotiating session with the NHLPA.

Sources say two more bargaining sessions are scheduled for Monday and Tuesday (May 9 and 10) of next week in New York City before representatives from both sides go to Austria for the World Championship. No meetings are currently scheduled to take place in Austria, but the two sides are slated to get back together again May 18 and 19 in Toronto.

The NHLPA has scheduled a membership meeting, where hundreds of players are expected to attend, for May 24 in Toronto.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Domi: CBA talks may need new faces

TSN.ca Staff
5/5/2005 9:49:04 AM

Tie Domi has never been one to shy away from opinion, as the Toronto Maple Leafs forward told the New York Times that new leadership should be considered if the National Hockey League and NHL Players' Association can't negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement.

"If these guys (NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow) don't get a deal done, there's going to have to be new faces in there," Domi told the Times.

There's a lot of ego, and they don't want to put their pride aside. The fight is over. These two guys have got to get a deal done. They'd better, or they won't be around too long."

"You need trust," he added. "I don't know if these two guys at the top can get this done. That's the bottom line."

Domi, who played parts of 16 seasons with the Leafs, Winnipeg Jets and New York Rangers, added that many of the current concepts the two sides are working at were discussed at a meeting he attended in January with Leafs chairman Larry Tanenbaum, Pittsburgh Penguins player/owner Mario Lemieux, NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin, NHL executive vice president Bill Daly, and NHLPA president Trevor Linden.

In addition to the two meetings today and Friday in Toronto, two more bargaining sessions are scheduled for Monday and Tuesday in New York City before representatives from both sides go to Austria for the world championship. No meetings are currently scheduled to take place in Austria, but the two sides - including Bettman and Goodenow - are slated to get back together again May 18 and 19 in Toronto.

"You can only gouge so much and Gary is gouging," Domi said. "It's not a way to have a partnership. Is Gary trying to break the union? I think he is. I think Gary's more to blame than Bob."

In response, the NHL vice president Bernadette Mansur told the Times, "With all due respect to Mr. Domi, this is not his area of expertise."

The league also re-issued a statement made by Bettman on April 20 after the Board of Governors met in New York.

"We will continue to plan and work very hard with the Players' Association in order to make an agreement to reach a new collective bargaining agreement as soon as possible, so that our players can be back on the ice for the start of the season," Bettman said. "We want them back."

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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NHL and NHLPA meet for three hours

Canadian Press
5/5/2005 5:03:38 PM

TORONTO - The two sides in the NHL labour dispute met for a little more than three hours Thursday.

The session started at 11:15 a.m. EDT and ended at 2:30 p.m.

The NHL and the NHL Players' Association are slated to resume talks Friday, again at an undisclosed location in Toronto.

The league hopes to meet twice a week from now on in a bid to finally end the lockout.

The two sides hadn't met since April 19 in New York, when the talks ended with an angry exchange between Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs and NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow.

Commissioner Gary Bettman and NHL executive vice-president Bill Daly are scheduled to arrive in Austria next Wednesday to take in the conclusion of the world championship.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

TuxDave

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Right about now, you WOULD'VE had the NJ Devils kicking everyone's ass in the playoffs...
 

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NHLPA certification bid to proceed in B.C.

Canadian Press
5/6/2005 3:30:10 PM

VANCOUVER (CP) - The B.C. Labour Relations Board has ruled the National Hockey League Players' Association can proceed with its application to have the union certified in the province.

In a decision handed down Friday, the board rejected arguments by a lawyer representing the National Hockey League that allowing the hearing to proceed would signal a disregard for U.S. labour law.

Najeeb Hassan, the board's vice-chairman, also dismissed the idea that allowing the application hearing would hinder the ability of the NHLPA and the NHL to reach an agreement that would end the current hockey labour dispute.

No date has been set for the certification hearing.

The NHLPA has applied for union certification in Quebec and British Columbia, a move intended to block the potential use of replacement players in those provinces.

During a hearing Tuesday in Vancouver, Peter Gall, the lawyer representing the NHL and the owners of the Vancouver Canucks, argued the NHLPA's application for union certification should be adjourned until an unfair labour practice complaint is heard by the National Labour Relations Board in the United States.

Hassan dismissed that argument.

"I do not agree that proceeding with the certification application would signal a disregard for U.S. law or demonstrate a lack of concern about the ramifications of the application in B.C. for American labour law," he wrote in his seven-page ruling.

He also questioned how certifying the union could impact on the ability of the two sides to reach a new collective bargaining agreement.

"I see no basis upon which to conclude that merely hearing the BC-NHLPA's application would affect the ability of the parties to that dispute to reach a collective agreement," he said.

Nassan said allowing the hearing to proceed shouldn't "be taken as prejudging" how the labour board will rule on the NHLPA's application for certification.

Neither Quebec nor B.C. allow the use of replacement workers during strikes or lockouts, but that's only when the workers being replaced belong to certified unions.

If the NHLPA is certified as a union in B.C., the Vancouver Canucks would not be allowed to hire replacements.

The NHL locked out its players in September, resulting in cancellation of the 2004-2005 season.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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NHL, NHLPA wrap up talks for the week

Bob McKenzie, TSN.ca
5/6/2005 2:41:12 PM

It's difficult to tell whether two days of relatively brief meetings have the NHL and NHL Players' Association any closer to a new collective bargaining agreement, but the two sides will get together on Tuesday in New York City for another negotiating session.

The league was represented this week by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, NHL Executive Vice President and Chief Legal Officer Bill Daly, Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, NHL board of governors chairman Harley Hotchkiss of the Calgary Flames, Nashville Predators owner Craig Leipold, New Jersey Devils president Lou Lamoriello, NHL director of hockey operations Colin Campbell, NHL general counsel David Zimmerman and lawyers Bob Batterman and Shep Goldfein.

Executive director Goodenow, senior director Ted Saskin, associate counsel Ian Pulver, outside counsel John McCambridge and director of business relations Mike Gartner, and players Trevor Linden, Bill Guerin and Bob Boughner represented the Players' Association.

What happened during the three-hour meeting Thursday and the four-and-a-half-hour session Friday in Toronto can basically be boiled down as follows:

On Thursday, the NHL gave the NHLPA a revamped proposal working off the framework the NHLPA presented to the league last month, this time with a new set of numbers defining a payroll range and luxury tax system. On Friday, the two sides met to discuss these numbers.

There doesn't appear to be any reason for excess optimism, but neither does there appear to be any concrete evidence for pessimism either.

As for the specifics of the NHL's proposal, it would be foolhardy to try to come up with exact numbers because all the numbers being talked about hinge on what the revenue levels would be. You could quote any numbers but unless you're also quoting the revenue figure, they would be meaningless. It is, after all, a linked deal that has payroll ranges (floors and ceilings) that slide according to revenue levels.

What we knew from previous meetings is that the NHLPA was proposing a $20 million gap between the floor and ceiling and the NHL was responding with a desired $10 million gap.

What we now know from the last two days of meetings is that the NHL has proposed a payroll range wider than $10 million, but not close to $20 million and perhaps not even splitting the difference at a figure of $15 million. In addition to increasing the range, the NHL also proposed a new luxury tax system.

Again, it would be ludicrous to project the precise threshold at which point the tax would kick in and equally as foolish to project the rate, because both those numbers would move up or down as they are contingent on how many teams spend how much money on payroll.

In other words, the more teams that would spend at the upper end of the payroll the ranger, the higher the tax rate would be and the lower the threshold would be where the tax takes effect. Conversely, if more teams chose to spend at the lower end of the payroll range, the tax rates would be lower and the threshold at which they kick in would be higher.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Labour talks to continue Wednesday

Associated Press
5/10/2005 1:06:40 PM

NEW YORK (AP) - NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and players' association executive director Bob Goodenow will hold labour negotiations Wednesday and Thursday instead of going to Austria for the world hockey championships.

The change in plans occurred Tuesday after a 3 1/2-hour bargaining session in New York, the eighth official meeting between the sides since Bettman cancelled the entire hockey season on Feb. 16 because of the lockout.

After eight hours of meetings last week, and contentious comments made by both sides through the media about the other, the negotiating atmosphere seemed to be poor. But the principal negotiators decided to delay their European trips and remain in New York for further discussions.

''The union has agreed, at our request, to remain in New York to continue meeting in smaller groups over the next several days on a variety of sub-issues that need to be addressed in connection with a new CBA,'' Bill Daly, the league's executive vice-president and chief legal officer, said in a statement.

Daly, Bettman and outside counsel Bob Batterman were at Tuesday's meeting as well as New Jersey Devils CEO and GM Lou Lamoriello, board of governors chairman Harley Hotchkiss, Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, Nashville Predators owner Craig Leipold, NHL director of hockey operations Colin Campbell, NHL general counsel David Zimmerman and lawyer Shep Goldfein.

Goodenow headed his side alongside senior director Ted Saskin, associate counsel Ian Pulver, outside counsel John McCambridge, director of business relations Mike Gartner and players Trevor Linden, Bill Guerin, Bob Boughner, Vincent Damphousse and Trent Klatt.

Originally, the sides planned to talk on Monday and Tuesday in New York, but that was cut to just Tuesday after two days of discussions last week. They had already scheduled meetings for next Wednesday and Thursday, likely in Toronto.

Bettman, Daly, Goodenow and Saskin were to arrive in Austria on Wednesday. Many of the players taking part in the world championships are on NHL teams, and the United States and Canada qualified for the quarter-final games that will take place Thursday.

The semifinals are Saturday and the gold and bronze medal games are scheduled for Sunday in Vienna.

It was not immediately clear when, or if, Bettman and Goodenow would go to Austria.

The NHL made a new offer to the players last Thursday in Toronto, but no progress was reported by either side after talks ended Friday.

The latest proposal was spawned by a union offer on April 4 that contained a hybrid concept that addressed the relationship between player salaries and league revenues. It contained an upper cap of $50 million and a floor of $30 million.

As before, the sides have not come close to an agreement on the values of the caps or how wide a range there should be between the minimums and maximums.

When the sides met on April 19, the discussions ended with a heated exchange between Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs and players' association leadership. The tough talk continued this week when Daly and Saskin exchanged barbs.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

cavemanmoron

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Uh it is May.

The NHL is dead.

waaah.



What a bunch of greedy basTURDS;on both sides.

I did not make $40,000 last year,even tho I had to work a lot of overtime.

Too many sports people are to damn greedy.

Let them all have to work for $10 an hour for 5 years;and then see if 1 million looks good enough for a year,instead of $10 million. :|
 

Aquaman

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NHL, NHLPA conclude three-day session

TSN.ca Staff
5/12/2005 3:33:06 PM

The NHL and the Players' Association concluded their three-day meetings in New York after a bargaining session that lasted just under five hours on Thursday.

After not being involved in yesterday's talks, NHL chairman Harley Hotchkiss was back in the negotiating session while Nashville owner Craig Leipold, who had been there yesterday, was not. The NHL also brought along an assortment of accounting-related people, some from the league head office and some from the accounting firm that prepared the Levitt report.

On the NHLPA side, outside legal counsel John McCambridge was back at the table after not being there yesterday while executive committee member Vincent Damphousse was absent. The NHLPA also had some economic consultants attend today's session.

Most of the time was spent going over the league's Unified Report of Operations (UROs), the Levitt Report and team-by-team financial analysis.

By all accounts, it's a laborious process and it's too difficult to tell whether any progress was made.

The good news, though, is that none of the negotiating principals are going to Austria for the world championship and the two sides will get together again on Tuesday.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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NHLPA calls off membership meeting

Canadian Press
5/13/2005 9:16:41 PM

TORONTO (CP-AP) - The NHL Players' Association has cancelled a membership meeting scheduled for later this month because there has been little change in negotiations with the NHL on a new collective bargaining agreement.

The NHLPA announced the cancellation Friday night after union leaders held a conference call with team representatives.

"In early April, when we set the May 24-26 meeting dates, we thought these dates would work well to allow both North American and European based players to get together," NHLPA president Trevor Linden of the Vancouver Canucks said in statement. "Since our late-February meeting with 156 players in Toronto, we decided there is not sufficient new information to justify another meeting at this time."

With the European hockey seasons completed and the world championship concluding this weekend in Austria, many of the over-700 NHL players were expected to attend the meeting, which was scheduled to take place in Toronto.

Nearly half of the members spent at least part of the hockey season playing in Europe and weren't able to attend earlier meetings that provided updates on the status of the lockout. But after three days of negotiations this week between the NHL and NHLPA, the meeting was called off.

The timing is somewhat curious as the league and the union are slated to have three more days of talks next week in New York.

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman will be in Washington on Wednesday to testify with other league commissioners at a American congressional hearing about legislation calling for standard doping tests across U.S. sports.

It has been eight months since the start of the lockout that wiped out the entire 2004-2005 season and playoffs. Bettman cancelled the season Feb. 16.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Lockout back to hockey forefront

Canadian Press
5/16/2005 2:47:09 PM

VIENNA (CP) - It was fun while it lasted.

Hockey, the on-ice version, momentarily stole the spotlight from the NHL's labour mess for three weeks during the IIHF world hockey championship, and it was a breath of fresh air for so many in the industry that have lived through a year of boardroom fighting and public mud-slinging.

The game was what it should be at the world championship. It featured passionate play and great goals and ultimately a deserving champion in the Czech Republic.

Jaromir Jagr was not talked about as the overpaid, underachiever of the New York Rangers and the poster boy for why NHL owners want cost certainty, but rather he was painted as a gutsy leader of the gold medallists who played with a broken finger in the medal round.

Likewise, Arturs Irbe was not a member of the NHLPA's executive committee but rather the inspirational goaltender for the lovable Latvians.

Veteran centre Kris Draper said it best on the eve of Canada's gold medal clash with the Czechs, amid the anticipation of finally playing such a big game in a lost year.

"Quite frankly, the lockout stinks," the 33-year-old said.

But the brief re-acquaintance with hockey is now over, and the NHL's labour situation will rear its ugly head again this week in New York with meetings Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday as the union and the league inch their way towards a long-awaited solution. Maybe, maybe not.

Will anyone care what happens in New York this week? Major media outlets in Canada have drastically scaled back their coverage of the lockout, following the lead of fans who long ago stopped caring. "Tell us when it's over," was perhaps the most overheard comment among media covering the world championship.

Regardless of the public perception, the league and union forge ahead. They will meet in smaller groups Tuesday and Wednesday to review accounting practices and break down financial information from clubs, very tedious work that is time consuming. An update will be provided Thursday when a bigger group meets.

It's all in the name of finding a way to agree on what is revenue - no small hurdle - so that a system can be developed to make the union's April 4 framework come to life.

The union is willing to accept a team-by-team salary cap but wants the upper limit to fluctuate depending on revenue. A good year means the cap would go up, a bad year means it would go down. It sounds good on paper but the mistrust between the two sides makes this a long and arduous journey.

In the meantime, the clock is ticking on both sides to save an industry already getting clobbered. There has been much damage and it would already be a long road back to win back fans and corporate support even if a deal were announced tomorrow.

On the league side, corporate money will fly out the window in July if there's no deal, companies not willing to commit to investing in a product that seemingly no longer exists. And then there's ESPN, the U.S. cable sports network that has a June 1 deadline to either pick up or drop an option on its contract with the NHL.

It may well be that NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow believes it's because of those pressure points in June and July that he should delay making a deal and get a better one when the league is desperate later in the summer.

There are players who privately want a deal done as soon as possible, but it's not clear whether their voices are being heard. Likewise, it would be foolish to assume all 30 NHL owners are of the same mindset right now either.

These are desperate times and cracks may begin to show on both sides. A cynic might suggest the NHLPA cancelled its massive players' gathering originally scheduled for later this month because Goodenow didn't want to face the angry rank and file, but that's more rumour than fact.

Officially, the reason for the cancellation is that the union leadership felt there was nothing to update the players with on the labour front. It's hard to argue that point.

Will there by hockey next autumn? At this point it's anyone's guess.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
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