Official Playstation 5 thread

[sze5003]

Yeah, that would be an issue for a gamer who wants the special edition, but would also want the regular Pro, if the 30th isn't available.

Though, for me, at this point I'm no longer interested in the vanilla Pro. If I get lucky and score one of the 30th Pros, great; if not, there's so many PC games waiting for me on Steam, I can wait for PS6.

PS - My conundrum now is to play NG+ Wukong, start Space Marine 2, or begin Nioh 2. At the point, I'm leaning towards Nioh 2.

I have space marine 2 installed, wukong, star wars outlaws and frostpunk 2 installed all at once. Space marine ill probably only do the campaign as I would be playing with randoms online and I usually don't spend too much time in multiplayer games with random folks.

The others I chip away at while I get the time.

 

[jpiniero]

Oh nice, they are doing Free Astro Bot DLC.

 

[MoragaBlue]

Ok, my initial reaction is extremely underwhelming. Maybe Hell IS US (whatever the name) is the only one I'd really want to play, and that's only because it seems to have some neat combat elements.

Yeah, I'm waiting for PS6. Their games are just not my cup of tea.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Ghost of Youtei will prob be a Day 1 buy after how much I liked Tsushima

 

[sze5003]

Same with me I'll be getting ghosts of yotei and maybe that hell is us game. Nothing else was interesting for me. I still have a lot of PS5 titles like spiderman 2 and Ragnarok that I need to finish. By the time I get to them there may be pro upgrade patches for them.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Same with me I'll be getting ghosts of yotei and maybe that hell is us game. Nothing else was interesting for me. I still have a lot of PS5 titles like spiderman 2 and Ragnarok that I need to finish. By the time I get to them there may be pro upgrade patches for them.

I'm debating whether to just wait for Spiderman 2 to come to PC. Though maybe I should just buy it physical and sell it when I'm done since as much as liked Spiderman and Miles Morales I'll never do a second playthrough of them so probably wouldn't for 2 either. Never see too good of deals for it though, like $40 is the new $20 when it comes to games.

 

[sze5003]

I'm debating whether to just wait for Spiderman 2 to come to PC. Though maybe I should just buy it physical and sell it when I'm done since as much as liked Spiderman and Miles Morales I'll never do a second playthrough of them so probably wouldn't for 2 either. Never see too good of deals for it though, like $40 is the new $20 when it comes to games.

If you don't mind waiting about a year, that's usually the timeframe I see for PS exclusives making it to PC. I think horizon was shorter though.

I do get burned out on open world games and part of that is due to me getting side tracked by side quests and other activities to the point of trying to "clear" areas. I then lose interest if I move to another game and forget where I left off on the story. I did this a lot in ghost of Tsushima but then enjoyed it a lot more when I stuck to the main missions to finally finish it.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

If you don't mind waiting about a year, that's usually the timeframe I see for PS exclusives making it to PC. I think horizon was shorter though.

I do get burned out on open world games and part of that is due to me getting side tracked by side quests and other activities to the point of trying to "clear" areas. I then lose interest if I move to another game and forget where I left off on the story. I did this a lot in ghost of Tsushima but then enjoyed it a lot more when I stuck to the main missions to finally finish it.

If I find a game I like I usually find it worthwhile to see almost all or all of the game. I guess I get burned out in the sense that if I play a Dragon Quest game I'm going to go play something like Yakuza or Dark Souls as opposed to jumping on another turn based RPG like Persona, or if I finish a Souls game I'll jump on a JRPG or a puzzle game or an adventure game next.

 

[MoragaBlue]

I do get burned out on open world games and part of that is due to me getting side tracked by side quests and other activities to the point of trying to "clear" areas. I then lose interest if I move to another game and forget where I left off on the story. I did this a lot in ghost of Tsushima but then enjoyed it a lot more when I stuck to the main missions to finally finish it.

RE: Open World

My initial ER playthrough lasted probably 200+ hours? The open world non-linear experience was magical, and I tried to find everything, only to realize during a subsequent walkthrough (Fightingcowboy's), I had missed about 30% of the content. While I will always enjoy ER, the open world thing completely loses its appeal after the first time. In other words, I only fight bosses I enjoy and go to areas when I need a specific item for a current build. The rest, I just ignore.

After ER, I'm unlikely to invest that kind of time in another IP, unless it's not only Fromsoft but a Miyazaki lead project. Off the top of my head, I can't think of another studio or game director who has the street creds to pull it off.

While it's of course no surprise there was no Bloodborne remaster or sequel, I was surprised Sony didn't show Marathon or Fairgames. What was it Mike Tyson said? Everyone has a plan until you get hit in the mouth.

 

[marees]

So after a breathless three hours of PS5 gameplay, we return to the question of value. Against the $449 PS5 Digital, is that $250 premium worth it? It's still too early to say for sure, but we definitely feel more equipped to answer that question now than we did a week ago.

As we mentioned above, it depends on the kind of player that you are. If you're playing primarily performance modes on console, which we've seen recently can suffer from quite low internal resolutions and poor image quality as a result, it might be. You do get a significant upgrade in image quality in performance modes, thanks to the higher internal resolutions and better-quality PSSR upscaling. You're also likely to get better settings and perhaps some extra RT effects in the bargain. It's very similar to the upgrade that you get from slotting in a PC graphics card that's a tier or two higher or a generation or two newer.

The counter-point is that if you're already enjoying games in their 30fps quality modes, then the difference is less obvious. Image quality is already pretty good on the base consoles, especially at a normal viewing distance from a 4K screen, and you're not going to see a huge visual disparity in these sorts of modes unless the developers can really layer on the RT effects. Similarly, if the games that you play in performance modes look fine to you - perhaps they're running at 1440p 60fps - then again, you may not get much of an advantage from PS5 Pro.

this is akin to a big graphics card upgrade for a gaming PC - you can suddenly enable new features that you couldn't before, and you also enjoy a general uptick in performance that makes your existing games more fun to play.

This goes double if you primarily played your PS5 games in performance mode when given the option, as you're keeping the same 60fps update rate in most cases but image quality takes a gigantic step forward - and you may get some new ray tracing features in the bargain.

PS5 Pro hands-on: testing 11 upgraded games, PSSR upscaling and the new hardware

Digital Foundry's hands-on preview of the PS5 Pro, with Oliver Mackenzie testing 11 PS5 Pro titles, seeing the new hardware in the flesh and evaluating PSSR.

www.eurogamer.net

 

[marees]

Sony’s demos keep us so close to the TVs it’s impossible not to see improvements, with fixed-length wired controllers encouraging us to stay nearby. When I step back anyhow, the PS5 Pro’s graphical improvements get harder to make out. Some disappear at six feet, most of them at 10 feet, in game after game. That’s a bit further than I measured with the PS4 Pro vs. PS4 eight years ago.

But if you’re the kind of person who already sets your PS5 games to “Quality” or “Fidelity” or “Graphics” mode rather than “Performance,” I bet you’ll see a huge increase in smoothness with the PS5 Pro no matter how far away you sit. Some went from utterly choppy to downright buttery for me on the PS5 Pro, with almost all the visual quality (if not more) than the original PS5’s fidelity modes.

The biggest surprise for me, though, was seeing a console that can offer so many of the immersive benefits of ray tracing without massive slowdowns. It’s unlikely many games will add ray tracing modes specifically for the PS5 Pro, but Formula One racing game F1 24 already had them — and it now lets you drive at an upscaled 4K and 60fps with them turned on.
When producer Simon Lumb flicks ray-traced graphics on and off for me, it feels like the whole image comes to life. Suddenly, the car’s crash-protection halo casts realistic shadows on the bodywork; reflections naturally appear in puddles on the track and on the car’s shiny hood; windows appear to refract light.

“It was as if a pair of dirty goggles had been lifted from my eyes,” I wrote in 2016 about the PS4 Pro.

I get the exact same vibe from Horizon and most other PS5 Pro Enhanced games I’m trying now.

I played the PS5 Pro, and it’s clearly better

Here’s what to expect from PS5 Pro Enhanced games.

www.theverge.com

 

[purbeast0]

I play my games in performance mode on a 1080p projector on a 10 foot screen, and there has not been 1 game I've played and thought "man I really wish the game had better looking textures and graphics."

 

[sze5003]

I sure as hell am not buying a new OLED 4k TV for the living room that supports VRR when my current 4k OLED works fine.

If there is anything worth using VRR for with the Pro I'll just move that console to the room where my PC is located.

 

[jpiniero]

I play my games in performance mode on a 1080p projector on a 10 foot screen, and there has not been 1 game I've played and thought "man I really wish the game had better looking textures and graphics."

If you look closely at a lot of games, the environments can be pretty low res textures and polys at times.

The best use case would be more the people who complain that 30 fps looks bad on their OLED TV yet the resolution is too low for them in the 60 fps mode (if there is one).

 

[purbeast0]

If you look closely at a lot of games, the environments can be pretty low res textures and polys at times.

The best use case would be more the people who complain that 30 fps looks bad on their OLED TV yet the resolution is too low for them in the 60 fps mode (if there is one).

I don't have to pause and inspect the graphical fidelity zoomed in 2x. That is pointless. I don't need to "look closely" at stuff that I am playing.

I just want games to look good in motion while playing them, I've never once had thoughts of how bad textures look in 1080p on a 10 foot screen, sitting about 13 feet away from it.

I will take 60fps over 30fps in every instance, regardless of what the "graphical fidelity" is.

 

[sze5003]

People complaining that they raised the price of horizon zero dawn. https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP9000-CUSA10237_00-HRZCE00000000000

Looks like it used to be $20 but now with the upgraded version I suppose they want new people to pay $40.

I really don't understand why people complain if it doesn't affect them. But at the same time it doesn't really look good to increase the price of a 7 year old game.

For example if you only buy digital you are always paying top dollar anyway so I still don't get the outlash.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I sure as hell am not buying a new OLED 4k TV for the living room that supports VRR when my current 4k OLED works fine.

If there is anything worth using VRR for with the Pro I'll just move that console to the room where my PC is located.

Does your monitor have HDMI 2.1 VRR? Because that's the only VRR the PS5 supports since Sony wants to sell you a new TV with your PS5.

 

[sze5003]

Does your monitor have HDMI 2.1 VRR? Because that's the only VRR the PS5 supports since Sony wants to sell you a new TV with your PS5.

It's an LG C8 that I use as my monitor. My card supports Gsync so when I hit settings on the remote it shows 120 fps Gsync but if I disable Gsync it will show 120 fps VRR so I think it does.

But the living room has an older LG C2 or something, one of the first LG oleds that came out years ago.

 

[jpiniero]

I don't have to pause and inspect the graphical fidelity zoomed in 2x. That is pointless. I don't need to "look closely" at stuff that I am playing.

I just want games to look good in motion while playing them, I've never once had thoughts of how bad textures look in 1080p on a 10 foot screen, sitting about 13 feet away from it.

I think you'd need something like GTA 6 to change people's minds on this, lol. That might sell some Pros if it's only 30 fps but maybe they could do some PSSR FG to get it working at 60 on the Pro.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I think you'd need something like GTA 6 to change people's minds on this, lol. That might sell some Pros if it's only 30 fps but maybe they could do some PSSR FG to get it working at 60 on the Pro.

Frame Gen to 60 doesn't sound good at all. There's no way that would change my mind when it's likely to feel like 30-40 fps. They're going to have to get it to a near locked 60 for PS5 Pro to have any appeal whatsoever to me. Otherwise I'll just play it at 30 fps on my base PS5 since it'll feel similar and since an unlocked framerate looks terrible if you don't have VRR, which I won't since I'm not likely to buy a $1200+ TV with HDMI 2.1 VRR support between now and when the game launches.

 

[MoragaBlue]

Oh wow, Sony's having a sale on all the Dark Souls games, Bloodborne, Demon's Souls and Batman Arkham games. While I do prefer physical media, if you discount enough, I'll go with digital. I'm one of the those consumers for whom price does indeed make a difference!

Do they have sales all the time? Or, is this just a push to create some incentive for people like me to pick up the Pro? Cuz it's working!

 

[jpiniero]

Oh wow, Sony's having a sale on all the Dark Souls games, Bloodborne, Demon's Souls and Batman Arkham games. While I do prefer physical media, if you discount enough, I'll go with digital. I'm one of the those consumers for whom price does indeed make a difference!

Yeah. $10 for BB is pretty common; I think I got the Complete Edition for $10 a long time ago although I think that doesn't happen anymore.

As for the Arkham Games, do note that there is no patch for any of them. So it's only 1080p30.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Oh wow, Sony's having a sale on all the Dark Souls games, Bloodborne, Demon's Souls and Batman Arkham games. While I do prefer physical media, if you discount enough, I'll go with digital. I'm one of the those consumers for whom price does indeed make a difference!

Do they have sales all the time? Or, is this just a push to create some incentive for people like me to pick up the Pro? Cuz it's working!

They do sales weekly but it's mostly the same games over and over, so once you have bought the good games that regularly go on discount the sales get pretty lame. And some of the deals are just trash. $43 for Dark Souls III Deluxe Edition? I bought the Fire Fades Edition which also has all the DLC for like $13.49 from Walmart a few years ago. $42 for Persona 3 Reload? I bought a month of PC Game Pass for $10 to play it at launch. Arkham Knight is cheap everywhere being a 9 year-old game. $10 for Bloodborne and another $10 for the DLC ain't bad but it often goes a little cheaper ($17.49 is the standard good sale price this gen, $13 last gen). Where the PSN sales can get awesome is if say you want to play the Yakuza / Like a Dragon series games and the series is so big you can go buy the old ones for $5 each and then by the time you get to the current games they'll be $5 to $10 too. But now they keep remastering their games to keep you from being able to get them cheap any more. See The Last of Us Part I which was regularly $10 in sales before the remake, The Last of Us Part II which was regularly $10 in sales before the remaster, Horizon Zero Dawn which was regularly $10 in sales before the remaster announcement but just got jacked up to $40, etc.

 

[MoragaBlue]

Got it. Appreciate the insights. It's unlikely I'll be able to secure one of the 30th Ann editions, because as with sze5003, I'm unable to save my CC.

 

[JujuFish]

Arkham Knight is cheap everywhere being a 9 year-old game

What the...
*checks date*
Well dang, I guess so. Carry on while I continue to age over here.