That was Meet the Press with Tom Brokaw. I too thought that the Republican counterpart wasn't much of a help to McCain's cause.
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
When Obama goes after the Bush economy and the Bush deficit I wish McCain would say the following:
Senator Obama and I agree on one thing, we are both glad that Bush is not running for another term.
From there he could go on to the rest of his bit. He does himself a disservice to allow Obama to tie him and Bush together.
Yeah, ok, but what are their major policy differences? I saw a Sunday morning polical show where Paul Begala tied McCain to Bush and the Republican guest objected citing McCain's differences on climate change and campaign finance reform.
I mean, those are two important issues, but if they represent the most significant differences between Bush and McCain, it seem entirely legitimate to tie them together.
It seems to me like McCain's tax plan and his foreign policy is identical to Bush's, and I really don't understand why he doesn't do more to differentiate himself from Bush.
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Interesting, do you have a source? I was only 10 when that war happened so I don't remember all the detail.
The Iraqi Airforce was destroyed on the first day, I'm a little skeptical that a strike force flying from Israel to Iraq would be engaged by coalition forces, but I could be wrong.
IFF Codes:
Once the war started and Scud missiles began to fall, the Israeli leadership came under increasing pressure from top government and military officials to retaliate. Some members of the Israeli cabinet, as well as the Air Force chief of staff, lobbied Prime Minister Shamir to take military action.(34) Shamir was also under the pressure of precedent -- Israel had never before stood idle while under attack.
On several occasions during the first days of the war, Defense Minister Arens demanded that Secretary Cheney either provide IFF codes ("friend or foe" identification to distinguish aircraft), or order U.S. forces to "stand down" while Israel acted against targets in western Iraq. Each time, Cheney deferred. He would advise Arens the decision could only be taken by Bush, who would then call Prime Minister Shamir and stridently urge Israel not to act.(35) After one Scud attack, Bush asked Shamir to contact him personally if Israel sustained substantial casualties or suffered a non-conventional attack.
Scud ineffectiveness.
To partially compensate Israel for its decision to hold its fire, Bush offered to send Patriot missiles to Israel. The first batteries arrived on January 20. These proved only marginally effective, however, because Patriots that did intercept incoming Scuds (and fewer than half did) caused them to explode over population centers, sending debris that caused extensive damage.
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
That's what it sounded like. Krauthammer on Fox now, saying McCain "tossed out a grenade" with his mortgage plan.Originally posted by: bctbct
I hope I misunderstood what McCain was saying about the mortgage bailout. Did he mean to say that mortgage companies should reevaluate the mortgage amount based on the current value and the payment should be set to that?
Example
paid 300k now worth 200k, USA eats the 100k
Venom, spite and anger? You confuse me with Michelle Obama.Originally posted by: NFS4
Question, why are you so calm and mellow all of as sudden? Where's the venom, spite, and anger from just a few months back?Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I have not heard anyone on the TV say that Obama won.Originally posted by: adlep
Obama won..
We need a quick poll
Even the partisans said that it was another tie.
These have been very even debates with neither candidate getting the upper hand.
Have you already conceded defeat? I'm being serious here...
Tell that to Clarence Thomas...Originally posted by: RichardE
Nobody black votes republican, ever.Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Obviously not because he said he's supporting Obama after the debate LOLOriginally posted by: CallMeJoe
News Flash: There are actual Black Conservatives and even Black Republicans in the United States!!!Originally posted by: BarneyFife
They had a black 20 year old that said he's "undecided". Give me a break. He just said it to go on tv.
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
That's what it sounded like. Krauthammer on Fox now, saying McCain "tossed out a grenade" with his mortgage plan.Originally posted by: bctbct
I hope I misunderstood what McCain was saying about the mortgage bailout. Did he mean to say that mortgage companies should reevaluate the mortgage amount based on the current value and the payment should be set to that?
Example
paid 300k now worth 200k, USA eats the 100k
And Drudge has McCain winning 70-27Originally posted by: chess9
The Cnn online poll has Obama winning by a huge margin.
84/13/3.
-Robert
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
That's what it sounded like. Krauthammer on Fox now, saying McCain "tossed out a grenade" with his mortgage plan.Originally posted by: bctbct
I hope I misunderstood what McCain was saying about the mortgage bailout. Did he mean to say that mortgage companies should reevaluate the mortgage amount based on the current value and the payment should be set to that?
Example
paid 300k now worth 200k, USA eats the 100k
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Interesting, do you have a source? I was only 10 when that war happened so I don't remember all the detail.
The Iraqi Airforce was destroyed on the first day, I'm a little skeptical that a strike force flying from Israel to Iraq would be engaged by coalition forces, but I could be wrong.
IFF Codes:
Once the war started and Scud missiles began to fall, the Israeli leadership came under increasing pressure from top government and military officials to retaliate. Some members of the Israeli cabinet, as well as the Air Force chief of staff, lobbied Prime Minister Shamir to take military action.(34) Shamir was also under the pressure of precedent -- Israel had never before stood idle while under attack.
On several occasions during the first days of the war, Defense Minister Arens demanded that Secretary Cheney either provide IFF codes ("friend or foe" identification to distinguish aircraft), or order U.S. forces to "stand down" while Israel acted against targets in western Iraq. Each time, Cheney deferred. He would advise Arens the decision could only be taken by Bush, who would then call Prime Minister Shamir and stridently urge Israel not to act.(35) After one Scud attack, Bush asked Shamir to contact him personally if Israel sustained substantial casualties or suffered a non-conventional attack.
Scud ineffectiveness.
To partially compensate Israel for its decision to hold its fire, Bush offered to send Patriot missiles to Israel. The first batteries arrived on January 20. These proved only marginally effective, however, because Patriots that did intercept incoming Scuds (and fewer than half did) caused them to explode over population centers, sending debris that caused extensive damage.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Venom, spite and anger? You confuse me with Michelle Obama.Originally posted by: NFS4
Question, why are you so calm and mellow all of as sudden? Where's the venom, spite, and anger from just a few months back?Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I have not heard anyone on the TV say that Obama won.Originally posted by: adlep
Obama won..
We need a quick poll
Even the partisans said that it was another tie.
These have been very even debates with neither candidate getting the upper hand.
Have you already conceded defeat? I'm being serious here...
I am trying to get my head around the idea of a President Obama. Looking on the 'bright' side so to speak.
The bad thing is that I think the Obama we see in the debates will make a decent President. But I think the Obama that we see from his track record will be a mess. It may be Jimmy Carter part two.
The bright side is the fact that the last time the Democrats had complete control of congress they lost 55 seats in the house in the next election. With Pelosi and the Democrat controlled congress having a 10% approval rating I see that as a very possible outcome.
I have a hard time believing that someone with the liberal activist record that Obama has is going to be able to run the country from the center. And if you remember correctly, Clinton only became the very popular and successful President he ended up being AFTER he shed the liberal Democrats running congress and ran the country from the center using the Dick Morris created 'triangulation' theory.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Venom, spite and anger? You confuse me with Michelle Obama.Originally posted by: NFS4
Question, why are you so calm and mellow all of as sudden? Where's the venom, spite, and anger from just a few months back?Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I have not heard anyone on the TV say that Obama won.Originally posted by: adlep
Obama won..
We need a quick poll
Even the partisans said that it was another tie.
These have been very even debates with neither candidate getting the upper hand.
Have you already conceded defeat? I'm being serious here...
I am trying to get my head around the idea of a President Obama. Looking on the 'bright' side so to speak.
The bad thing is that I think the Obama we see in the debates will make a decent President. But I think the Obama that we see from his track record will be a mess. It may be Jimmy Carter part two.
The bright side is the fact that the last time the Democrats had complete control of congress they lost 55 seats in the house in the next election. With Pelosi and the Democrat controlled congress having a 10% approval rating I see that as a very possible outcome.
I have a hard time believing that someone with the liberal activist record that Obama has is going to be able to run the country from the center. And if you remember correctly, Clinton only became the very popular and successful President he ended up being AFTER he shed the liberal Democrats running congress and ran the country from the center using the Dick Morris created 'triangulation' theory.
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
News Flash: There are actual Black Conservatives and even Black Republicans in the United States!!!Originally posted by: BarneyFife
They had a black 20 year old that said he's "undecided". Give me a break. He just said it to go on tv.
Obviously not because he said he's supporting Obama after the debate LOL
Nobody black votes republican, ever.
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Venom, spite and anger? You confuse me with Michelle Obama.Originally posted by: NFS4
Question, why are you so calm and mellow all of as sudden? Where's the venom, spite, and anger from just a few months back?Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I have not heard anyone on the TV say that Obama won.Originally posted by: adlep
Obama won..
We need a quick poll
Even the partisans said that it was another tie.
These have been very even debates with neither candidate getting the upper hand.
Have you already conceded defeat? I'm being serious here...
I am trying to get my head around the idea of a President Obama. Looking on the 'bright' side so to speak.
The bad thing is that I think the Obama we see in the debates will make a decent President. But I think the Obama that we see from his track record will be a mess. It may be Jimmy Carter part two.
The bright side is the fact that the last time the Democrats had complete control of congress they lost 55 seats in the house in the next election. With Pelosi and the Democrat controlled congress having a 10% approval rating I see that as a very possible outcome.
I have a hard time believing that someone with the liberal activist record that Obama has is going to be able to run the country from the center. And if you remember correctly, Clinton only became the very popular and successful President he ended up being AFTER he shed the liberal Democrats running congress and ran the country from the center using the Dick Morris created 'triangulation' theory.
Man oh man. I think I might need a drink tonight! This post is like hearing that Santa Claus isn't real... that the Easter Bunny doesn't really leave me delicious chocolate treats...
My hopes and dreams are shattered. ProfJohn calling Clinton a popular and successful president?? Man, what a country!
Originally posted by: conehead433
Anyone playing the drinking game is probably wasted. Not me. I cheated.
You're kidding right? Obama clearly dodged all punches by McCain and suckerpunched him on foreign policy. McCain rolled out a Democratic package and pissed off his party. McCain failed to punch Obama with the Ayers connection that he has tasked Palin with which makes him look like a wuss.Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I have not heard anyone on the TV say that Obama won.Originally posted by: adlep
Obama won..
We need a quick poll
Even the partisans said that it was another tie.
These have been very even debates with neither candidate getting the upper hand.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Venom, spite and anger? You confuse me with Michelle Obama.Originally posted by: NFS4
Question, why are you so calm and mellow all of as sudden? Where's the venom, spite, and anger from just a few months back?
Have you already conceded defeat? I'm being serious here...
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
... McCain is angry. Too angry. ....
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well I watched the whole disgusting debate. In MHO, neither won and both lost. Then to add injury to insult, I watched the post debate rehash on CBS.
And what shocked me is the Obama came out ahead on nearly every metric except one. And the one was that more people thought McCain was ready to be President on day one than Obama, when my reaction is that McCain is so damn dumb and clueless that he will never be ready to be President. Sadly I had hoped that Obama would demonstrate his readiness, and I sadly came away concluding God help us all because both are clueless turkeys.