Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well I don't want to ruin your Christmas dreams so I shall remain quiet about Santa.Originally posted by: NFS4
Man oh man. I think I might need a drink tonight! This post is like hearing that Santa Claus isn't real... that the Easter Bunny doesn't really leave me delicious chocolate treats...
My hopes and dreams are shattered. ProfJohn calling Clinton a popular and successful president?? Man, what a country!
But for the most part Clinton had a successful term. Good economy, but a mixed record on foreign policy and a failure at the biggest foreign policy challenge he faced. However, don't think that Clinton deserves ALL the credit for what went right during his term. A lot of his success was based on being in the right place at the right time.
1. The economy was already growing when he came into office.
2. Russia has collapsed allowing Clinton to cut $100 billion a year of the DoD budget.
3. Y2k caused a great run up in technology spending near the end of his term.
4. The dot com bubble, which he had nothing to do with, is the greatest reason he has a HUGE surplus in his last year in office.
Bush on the other hand had horrible luck when it came to timing.
1. He took over an economy on the decline.
2. 9-11 totally changed things in Washington and required huge defense and domestic spending increases.
Now Bush certainly screwed up, but a lot of his problems are partially based on bad timing. Take away 9-11 and the cost of the war on terror and think about where he would be.
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: eits
the entire debate, mccain's goal was to not answer the question and to try smearing the shit out of obama. there were so many times whenever mccain would lie about things obama wanted to do and obama was sitting there looking at him like, "oh, this i gotta hear... uh huh..."... it was priceless.
something that pissed me off is that obama took mccain's bait so many times. i just wanted him to brush it off and say that the fact checkers will set everything straight and to wait until the debates are over and watch the commentary on how mccain's spewing bullshit. too many times, obama would have to respond some long-winded response and miss the chance to answer a question all because mccain set him up. another thing that kinda bugged me was that he would take too long to answer a little too often.
mccain's a piece of shit.
I disagree, I don't think either candidate was as concerned with answering questions as they were with throwing punches or retaliating when the other candidate threw a punch. I watched some of the debate but was so badly disappointed that I turned it off.
I think they should just get rid of the debates altogether. They've become completely pointless and we're not learning anything about the candidates. Of course they'll keep them to make it sem like we're vetting our candidates, but still...
I think debates are a good way to judge how candidates will act when the pressure is on.
I mean, I can see Palin winking at the king of Saudi Arabia when shes trying to negotiate a new oil deal in her mini dress and low cut top.
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Sullivan
Originally posted by: RichardE
I think debates are a good way to judge how candidates will act when the pressure is on.
I mean, I can see Palin winking at the king of Saudi Arabia when shes trying to negotiate a new oil deal in her mini dress and low cut top.
Fixed.Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: jpeyton
loki8481
why would someone willingly read anything written by that douche?
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: RichardE
I think debates are a good way to judge how candidates will act when the pressure is on.
I mean, I can see Palin winking at the king of Saudi Arabia when shes trying to negotiate a new oil deal in her mini dress and low cut top.
I think they could serve this function, but only if the moderators toughened up and forced the candidates to answer the questions. And improved the questions a lot. Asking what a candidate would do if Israel was attacked is a terrible question for a debate and worthless for any Americans that are genuinely undecided.
Exactly, perhaps I should post what Hannity or Rush said as a counter argument.Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Sullivan
why would someone willingly read anything written by that douche?
I think you would have more success with a reality tv show that pits the prospective candidates in challenges against each other. Each week, weakest performer is sent home. Think of the ratings man!Originally posted by: RichardE
I think debates are a good way to judge how candidates will act when the pressure is on.
I mean, I can see Palin winking at the king of Saudi Arabia when shes trying to negotiate a new oil deal in her mini dress and low cut top.
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Fixed.Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: jpeyton
loki8481
why would someone willingly read anything written by that douche?
Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: daveymark
what was mccain talking about with obama's projector?
$3 mil for a Planetarium in Chicago. Probably not just for a projector. Planetariums are cool. There are far worst ways to spend the people's money.
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Fixed.Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: jpeyton
loki8481
why would someone willingly read anything written by that douche?
McCAIN: Complained that Obama's "cronies and friends" had received money from Fannie and Freddie.
THE FACT: McCain has his own ties to the mortgage giants. Rick Davis, his campaign manager, has been a focus of attention because Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae paid him or his lobbying firm more than $2 million dating back to 2000.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.Originally posted by: RichardE
McCAIN: Complained that Obama's "cronies and friends" had received money from Fannie and Freddie.
THE FACT: McCain has his own ties to the mortgage giants. Rick Davis, his campaign manager, has been a focus of attention because Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae paid him or his lobbying firm more than $2 million dating back to 2000.
:laugh: Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
Originally posted by: dbk
Obama's moment was when he said the Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran line. Obama pulled the okie-doke with his usual agreeing before disagreeing technique. McCain even says, "Thank you".
Originally posted by: Tab
I didn't watch the debate, but did McCain really screw up that much?
That and the wheel falling off the Straight Talk Express.Originally posted by: dbk
Obama's moment was when he said the Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran line. Obama pulled the okie-doke with his usual agreeing before disagreeing technique. McCain even says, "Thank you".
Or it could be another beach boy song BOMB, BOMB, BOMB, Good vibrations!Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: dbk
Obama's moment was when he said the Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran line. Obama pulled the okie-doke with his usual agreeing before disagreeing technique. McCain even says, "Thank you".
Please tell me if it's just me, but every time I hear this line in my head the song continues 'gently down the stream... merilly merrilly merrilly merrily life is but a dream'
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Or it could be another beach boy song BOMB, BOMB, BOMB, Good vibrations!Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: dbk
Obama's moment was when he said the Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran line. Obama pulled the okie-doke with his usual agreeing before disagreeing technique. McCain even says, "Thank you".
Please tell me if it's just me, but every time I hear this line in my head the song continues 'gently down the stream... merilly merrilly merrilly merrily life is but a dream'
Originally posted by: sunzt
Obama priorities: Energy - Health care - Education.... pretty reasonable
McCain priorities: I CAN DO ALL!