Official Presidential Debate #2 thread

[brencat]

Seriously are these the two best people our great country can come up with to be president?

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well I watched the whole disgusting debate. In MHO, neither won and both lost. Then to add injury to insult, I watched the post debate rehash on CBS.

And what shocked me is the Obama came out ahead on nearly every metric except one. And the one was that more people thought McCain was ready to be President on day one than Obama, when my reaction is that McCain is so damn dumb and clueless that he will never be ready to be President. Sadly I had hoped that Obama would demonstrate his readiness, and I sadly came away concluding God help us all because both are clueless turkeys.

Pretty much mirrors my thoughts after this debate.

The problems this country faces are enormous. None of these guys knows what to do next, and the bailout bill is a good example. They simply DID SOMETHING. No thought, no craftsmanship in the bill, no expertise sought. Just BOOM, let's do something.

Is this any way to run a country?

-Robert

 

[TraumaRN]

Besides the handshake thing, did McCain ever really look at Obama tonight???

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Man oh man. I think I might need a drink tonight! This post is like hearing that Santa Claus isn't real... that the Easter Bunny doesn't really leave me delicious chocolate treats...

My hopes and dreams are shattered. ProfJohn calling Clinton a popular and successful president?? Man, what a country!

Well I don't want to ruin your Christmas dreams so I shall remain quiet about Santa.

But for the most part Clinton had a successful term. Good economy, but a mixed record on foreign policy and a failure at the biggest foreign policy challenge he faced. However, don't think that Clinton deserves ALL the credit for what went right during his term. A lot of his success was based on being in the right place at the right time.

1. The economy was already growing when he came into office.
2. Russia has collapsed allowing Clinton to cut $100 billion a year of the DoD budget.
3. Y2k caused a great run up in technology spending near the end of his term.
4. The dot com bubble, which he had nothing to do with, is the greatest reason he has a HUGE surplus in his last year in office.

Bush on the other hand had horrible luck when it came to timing.
1. He took over an economy on the decline.
2. 9-11 totally changed things in Washington and required huge defense and domestic spending increases.
Now Bush certainly screwed up, but a lot of his problems are partially based on bad timing. Take away 9-11 and the cost of the war on terror and think about where he would be.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: db

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider


... McCain is angry. Too angry. ....

Yes he was angry. And refusing to shake Obama's hand was
evidence of his uncontrollable anger. How will McCain
perform in a crises when he can't even control his emotions
during a non-crises, given "all his years of experience"?!

I thought I was the only one who saw McCain refuse to shake hands. What a fcking sore loser, at least shake the other guy's hand for christ's sake.

 

[OrByte]

if thye townhall style was supposed to give McCain an edge it certainly didnt show tonight

 

[nageov3t]

what difference does a fake formality make? should McCain pretend to like the guy when everyone knows otherwise?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: adlep
Obama won..
We need a quick poll

I have not heard anyone on the TV say that Obama won.

Even the partisans said that it was another tie.
These have been very even debates with neither candidate getting the upper hand.

You're kidding right? Obama clearly dodged all punches by McCain and suckerpunched him on foreign policy. McCain rolled out a Democratic package and pissed off his party. McCain failed to punch Obama with the Ayers connection that he has tasked Palin with which makes him look like a wuss.

Were you watching the same debate?

You are an Obama supporter, of course you think Obama won.

I am a McCain supporter, I think McCain won.

What I am saying is that the professionals who do this for a living are pretty much in agreement that neither of them really 'won' No one is going to change their vote after tonight.

 

[RKDaley]

I think it might be disappointing results for McCain because the town hall format is supposed to be his strong suit.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sinsear
Round 2.

More blame Bush.

Bill Clinton's fault?

I'd rather fix it than point fingers. Pointing fingers gets us nowhere.

And for the record I don't thing I've ever blamed Clinton for anything.

You're not blaming your hero Bush therefore you are blaming the previous administration.

Unmm no I'm not. Before you can be the smartest person on the internet, I'd suggest you learn how to fucking read.

LMFAO

Post of the year!

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: brencat
Seriously are these the two best people our great country can come up with to be president?

Nah, the people who would be best can't pass the liberal-conservative litmus tests.

Favor pro-life? Can't be a Democrat candidate.
Favor gay marriage? Can't be the Republican candidate. etc.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: loki8481
what difference does a fake formality make? should McCain pretend to like the guy when everyone knows otherwise?

is that how he is going to treat foreign leaders of state that he doesnt like?

just not shake their hand?

childish if you ask me.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: loki8481
what difference does a fake formality make? should McCain pretend to like the guy when everyone knows otherwise?

It's a classless move not to shake hands. Period.

 

[jpeyton]

Every focus group from every major outlet went clearly for Obama tonight. Even Luntz's focus group went Obama.

This was the tipping point folks. Be glad you got to see it when it happened.

Every major poll and tracker will show a notable post-debate bump for Obama.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: adlep
Obama won..
We need a quick poll

I have not heard anyone on the TV say that Obama won.

Even the partisans said that it was another tie.
These have been very even debates with neither candidate getting the upper hand.

You're kidding right? Obama clearly dodged all punches by McCain and suckerpunched him on foreign policy. McCain rolled out a Democratic package and pissed off his party. McCain failed to punch Obama with the Ayers connection that he has tasked Palin with which makes him look like a wuss.

Were you watching the same debate?

You are an Obama supporter, of course you think Obama won.

I am a McCain supporter, I think McCain won.

What I am saying is that the professionals who do this for a living are pretty much in agreement that neither of them really 'won' No one is going to change their vote after tonight.

I like Obama more than McCain and I'm not voting for either. I stand by my original analysis that McCain didn't land any punches and then got suckerpunched on foreign policy at the end (bomb bomb bomb Iran/annihilate Afghanistan/Baghdad Next! = McCain shocked). McCain lost, and there won't be enough time between the last debate and election day to make up the ground (even if he wins the debate).

 

[eits]

the entire debate, mccain's goal was to not answer the question and to try smearing the shit out of obama. there were so many times whenever mccain would lie about things obama wanted to do and obama was sitting there looking at him like, "oh, this i gotta hear... uh huh..."... it was priceless.

something that pissed me off is that obama took mccain's bait so many times. i just wanted him to brush it off and say that the fact checkers will set everything straight and to wait until the debates are over and watch the commentary on how mccain's spewing bullshit. too many times, obama would have to respond some long-winded response and miss the chance to answer a question all because mccain set him up. another thing that kinda bugged me was that he would take too long to answer a little too often.

mccain's a piece of shit.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: eits
the entire debate, mccain's goal was to not answer the question and to try smearing the shit out of obama. there were so many times whenever mccain would lie about things obama wanted to do and obama was sitting there looking at him like, "oh, this i gotta hear... uh huh..."... it was priceless.

something that pissed me off is that obama took mccain's bait so many times. i just wanted him to brush it off and say that the fact checkers will set everything straight and to wait until the debates are over and watch the commentary on how mccain's spewing bullshit. too many times, obama would have to respond some long-winded response and miss the chance to answer a question all because mccain set him up. another thing that kinda bugged me was that he would take too long to answer a little too often.

mccain's a piece of shit.

So Obama repeatedly can't (or won't) answer the question that's posed to him, and this is somehow McCain's fault?

 

[eits]

oh, by the way, obama won this debate very easily. mccain looked like a bitter child on stage. he did more shit-talking about obama than answer the questions. it was absolutely annoying and i think most americans agree.

and here's a bit of knowledge for you guys:

if you're an obama supporter, you thought obama won this and last debate... and you thought joe biden won.

if you're a mccain supporter, you thought it was a tie and no one really "won"... and you thought that palin did her job and that she and biden both won.

the loser ALWAYS tries to make it look like it was an even fight or that there was a tie or something when they were clearly beaten. no one will say "yeah, they pretty much sucked during that debate... they lost". republicans are too proud and stubborn a people for that.

 

[dbk]

Did you guys just see Hannity and Gibbs go at it?? Hannity kept asking why Obama is friends with a terrorist (Ayers) then Gibbs came back and asked why Hannity is friends with an anti-semite. link Then he called Hannity one!! Hannity comes back with, did Obama have dinner with Farakhan. LOL

edit: here's the youtube link

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: eits
the entire debate, mccain's goal was to not answer the question and to try smearing the shit out of obama. there were so many times whenever mccain would lie about things obama wanted to do and obama was sitting there looking at him like, "oh, this i gotta hear... uh huh..."... it was priceless.

something that pissed me off is that obama took mccain's bait so many times. i just wanted him to brush it off and say that the fact checkers will set everything straight and to wait until the debates are over and watch the commentary on how mccain's spewing bullshit. too many times, obama would have to respond some long-winded response and miss the chance to answer a question all because mccain set him up. another thing that kinda bugged me was that he would take too long to answer a little too often.

mccain's a piece of shit.

So Obama repeatedly can't (or won't) answer the question that's posed to him, and this is somehow McCain's fault?

what the fuck are you talking about? reread what i wrote.

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: eits
the entire debate, mccain's goal was to not answer the question and to try smearing the shit out of obama. there were so many times whenever mccain would lie about things obama wanted to do and obama was sitting there looking at him like, "oh, this i gotta hear... uh huh..."... it was priceless.

something that pissed me off is that obama took mccain's bait so many times. i just wanted him to brush it off and say that the fact checkers will set everything straight and to wait until the debates are over and watch the commentary on how mccain's spewing bullshit. too many times, obama would have to respond some long-winded response and miss the chance to answer a question all because mccain set him up. another thing that kinda bugged me was that he would take too long to answer a little too often.

mccain's a piece of shit.

I disagree, I don't think either candidate was as concerned with answering questions as they were with throwing punches or retaliating when the other candidate threw a punch. I watched some of the debate but was so badly disappointed that I turned it off.

I think they should just get rid of the debates altogether. They've become completely pointless and we're not learning anything about the candidates. Of course they'll keep them to make it sem like we're vetting our candidates, but still...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: loki8481
what difference does a fake formality make? should McCain pretend to like the guy when everyone knows otherwise?

It means a great deal, not because it's not genuine, but because McCain certainly knows after so many years in DC that it's an observed matter of form. That McCain forgot it is a complete gaffe on his part. He was too angry to remember how he was to act in a well defined role as participant.

Still, the point? He can be manipulated, and very easily. He was right when he said that when looking into Putin's soul one should have seen "KGB". The problem is that Putin knows how to use people like McCain to his own ends. By forgetting yourself when faced with an adversary, you give him the upper hand. The CIA and other intel agencies working behind the scenes have always known for decades, and you can be sure that when Kennedy was dealing with the USSR, he had a dossier on Khrushchev and his foibles. Kennedy knew what buttons could be pressed and what he couldn't get away with. Right now, Putin has two such folders on his desk. One about each candidate, and in McCain's, it says something to the effect of "lacks of self control. Can be manipulated into losing his temper"

That's not a plus.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: dbk
Did you guys just see Hannity and Gibbs go at it?? Hannity kept asking why Obama is friends with a terrorist (Ayers) then Gibbs came back and asked why Hannity is friends with an anti-semite. link Then he called Hannity one!! Hannity comes back with, did Obama have dinner with Farakhan. LOL

That blowhard pos Hannity got served!

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: eits
the entire debate, mccain's goal was to not answer the question and to try smearing the shit out of obama. there were so many times whenever mccain would lie about things obama wanted to do and obama was sitting there looking at him like, "oh, this i gotta hear... uh huh..."... it was priceless.

something that pissed me off is that obama took mccain's bait so many times. i just wanted him to brush it off and say that the fact checkers will set everything straight and to wait until the debates are over and watch the commentary on how mccain's spewing bullshit. too many times, obama would have to respond some long-winded response and miss the chance to answer a question all because mccain set him up. another thing that kinda bugged me was that he would take too long to answer a little too often.

mccain's a piece of shit.

I disagree, I don't think either candidate was as concerned with answering questions as they were with throwing punches or retaliating when the other candidate threw a punch. I watched some of the debate but was so badly disappointed that I turned it off.

I think they should just get rid of the debates altogether. They've become completely pointless and we're not learning anything about the candidates. Of course they'll keep them to make it sem like we're vetting our candidates, but still...

I think debates are a good way to judge how candidates will act when the pressure is on.

I mean, I can see Palin winking at the king of Saudi Arabia when shes trying to negotiate a new oil deal in her mini dress and low cut top.

 

[jpeyton]

Sullivan's analysis:

This was, I think, a mauling: a devastating and possibly electorally fatal debate for McCain. Even on Russia, he sounded a little out of it. I've watched a lot of debates and participated in many. I love debate and was trained as a boy in the British system to be a debater. I debated dozens of times at Oxford. All I can say is that, simply on terms of substance, clarity, empathy, style and authority, this has not just been an Obama victory. It has been a wipe-out.It has been about as big a wipe-out as I can remember in a presidential debate. It reminds me of the 1992 Clinton-Perot-Bush debate. I don't really see how the McCain campaign survives this.