Official promises Trump has walked back thread

[sportage]

Lets see..
First it was a wall, then a fence, next it will be some old grumpy guy waving a cane.

 

[WelshBloke]

Well theres a nice example of the dangers of inbreeding!

 

[Puffnstuff]

Blacks and hispanics have lower IQ than whites.

Doubling down on racist stupidity is a good way to write your ticket out of here. Take a month off.

Perknose
Forum Director

Amen to that!

If you don't want that fact mentioned don't bring up IQ.

As for your comments, two swings and nothing but empty air. Try harder next time.

Still at it? If you ever go to college and learn about the human brain you will understand just how ignorant your comments really are.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Well theres a nice example of the dangers of inbreeding!

Would that be grounds for a new family oriented sitcom? We could call it "All in the Family" 21st century style. Who would we get to play Meathead?

 

[kage69]

I'm loving this in a way. The 'anti-establishment' candidate was really the establishment candidate after all.

The working right has been duped again; it's pretty sad and doesn't give me any joy at all. Poor schmucks only had 18 months or so to notice to stench coming off of Trump, and to not act contrary to common sense, decency, facts, or their chosen religious morality.

I'm seeing some encouraging signs though - Trump isn't even in office yet and I'm already hearing regret from some of his voters. Took many of them years to get to that point when they were conned by Dubya. I think they call that progress.

 

[chowderhead]

I like how trump who was so against that stupid Iraq war and loves spouting the bs that he was always against it is now considering a guy for SoS that was part of the team that originated that horrible policy.

I also have to laugh at the people who didn't vote for Clinton because they thought she was a neo con, mean while an actual neo con could potentially be the next SoS. Unintended consequences I guess. Lol!

Bolton and the rest will be back while the people in the midwest who voted for Trump, their jobs will still be gone and their sons and daughters will go and die in some neocon war because how else are we going to "get the oil and keep the oil" except by having boots on the ground. Make America great again.

Honestly, after the Republicans got rewarded for obstructing Clinton in 1993 (0 votes on the deficit reduction bill), Obama in 2009 on Obamacare and everything else and the government shutdown in 2013 and refusing do their job and hold hearings in 2016 for the SCotUS all at the same time requiring 60 votes for any legislation and nominee, the Democrats should really do the same. No to everything. The voters will reward them with both Houses of Congress and the Presidency.
Red state Senate Democrats take note. The Republicans will still target you for defeat even if you try to work with them like they did in 2002 and 2004. Get rewarded and reelected by saying NO to everything.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Just wanted to pop in and post this
On Oct 10, 2016 drumpf said

"If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your (missing email) situation," Trump said, "because there has never been so many lies, so much deception."

And on Nov 22nd, Kellyanne Conway (campaign spokesperson for the drumpf shitshow extraordinaire) said:

President-elect Donald Trump's administration will not pursue further investigations of Hillary Clinton related to her private email server or the Clinton Foundation,

and drumpf sings..
"I'm walkin', back those words
I'm lyin at every turn.
I'm panderin'
to get your vote to me.."

deepest apologies to Chubby Checker.

 

[jackstar7]

Feckless.

That's the word I've settled on for Trump today.

 

[Commodus]

The lack of further Clinton investigations should be a red flag for all the Trump supporters here.

There's no mistaking it now -- you've been hoodwinked, you've been bamboozled.

I know many presidential candidates will promise things they don't deliver while in office, but this is the first time I can remember one of them reneging on a major promise before he's even sworn in. How often do you get president-elects admitting that it really was just a naked power grab? Not that Clinton is a selfless public servant, but it's doubtful that she'd backtrack mere days after victory.

The one consolation: now that it's clear Trump will admit that he lied to get into office, can he also go back on other promises? Like, say, most of what's listed on his campaign agenda?

 

[Pens1566]

In other words, you all (trump voters) got conned. Bigly.

It's funny, he's actually a reflection of what he complains about most (corrupt, etc.).

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump has always had left tendencies but he could win using the Republicans. His supporters will be disappointed because of this as will his opponents. Fact is we have no idea how things will shake out but it's very likely that they won't be as either side advertised on many things.

 

[Jaskalas]

There are Clinton voters disappointed that Trump won't burn Clinton to the ground.
This speaks volumes.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

There are Clinton voters disappointed that Trump won't burn Clinton to the ground.
This speaks volumes.

Not a clinton supporter, per se, but I am enjoying the fvck outta drumpf walking back these promises. One after the other..

 

[brycejones]

There are Clinton voters disappointed that Trump won't burn Clinton to the ground.
This speaks volumes.

Not really. This is more about laughing about the never ending string of promises his campaign was built on being abandoned within weeks of winning. His comments about Clinton were always stupid and designed to appeal to the low information base.

 

[fskimospy]

There are Clinton voters disappointed that Trump won't burn Clinton to the ground.
This speaks volumes.

I don't think anyone is disappointed at all, but when someone repeatedly and transparently lies about what they will do when they are in office it seems relevant to point out that they are in fact a liar.

I mean if you're saying that we should somehow be happy that he's only a pathological liar instead of a complete monster...well...okay. How about we just keep pointing out that either one is horrible.

 

[OrByte]

I hate having a long memory. Knowing that Trump spent over a year going on and on about a "Wall" and "Crooked Hillary" and evil mexican rapists and on and on...

All of it snake oil. And all of it is being washed away by a media and political establishment that will not, for whatever reason, hold the man responsible for the lies he told. And what is worse? he lost the popular vote by around 2 million votes. The majority of America knew better.

 

[Homerboy]

Can we get an updated list in the OP please? Or somebody to compile a recent list?

 

[Pens1566]

There are Clinton voters disappointed that Trump won't burn Clinton to the ground.
This speaks volumes.

Not at all. Just laughing at what we knew would never happen, even though it was a cornerstone of his campaign. One of many promises that he never intended to fulfill. Just riled up the gullible enough to get what he wanted. Well, he got it. And now he doesn't know what to do with it. Don't say we didn't tell you so.

 

[Jaskalas]

Not at all. Just laughing at what we knew would never happen, even though it was a cornerstone of his campaign. One of many promises that he never intended to fulfill. Just riled up the gullible enough to get what he wanted. Well, he got it. And now he doesn't know what to do with it. Don't say we didn't tell you so.

In this context I'm a lot more of a "we" than a "you".

He's also proven to be a liar, IMO, by promising everything to everyone. Even when they are contradictory. I mean, we know... I could just go on, but there are strong substantive reasons Donald Trump should not be President. Sitting down to and listening to him in the debates, painful as that was, made it perfectly clear. So I moved from neutral to opposed.

As for Clinton, I call for her to be treated the same as others who break the law.
That's clearly not going to happen. In America it really does depend on who you are, how much money you have, and who you know.
Justice is not blind, it is a mob of popular opinion and that makes it a sham. It is deeply ill of American Democracy that the rich and powerful can commit crimes where the average joe is prosecuted. DOJ ruins lives for these actions, but not all equally. We continue to fail to live up to the ideal that all (hu)men are created and treated equal.

The "I didn't intend to break the law" will continue to be rejected for anyone else's defense.

 

[First]

This thread is gold. Hilariously (or sadly, depending on your POV) not many Trumpkins here.

 

[Bowfinger]

Trump has always had left tendencies but he could win using the Republicans. His supporters will be disappointed because of this as will his opponents. Fact is we have no idea how things will shake out but it's very likely that they won't be as either side advertised on many things.

Yes, I agree that's the real challenge with Trump. He is unpredictable. He is a pathological liar who advocated both sides of virtually every issue throughout his campaign, often on the same day. (One could do a great mash up of Donnie debating himself about almost everything.) I saw a Frank Luntz focus group of Trump followers. They essentially acknowledged he was lying, but filled the gaps with their personal beliefs. In other words, Trump's flagrant dishonesty gave them a blank slate they filled with their own ideal candidate. Clinton supporters saw the same lies and lack of conviction, but they filled the gaps with their worst fears.

The bottom line is we don't really know what Trump will do for -- or to -- America. He lacks any clear ideological foundation; his only consistent value seems to be self-enrichment. His record is that of a con man and swindler. That doesn't tell us much about his policies. We do know he has horrible temperament, that he is shamefully ignorant about the things that matter, and that he prefers to surround himself with loyal yes-men who won't challenge him. That suggests an incompetent and corrupt government, but still doesn't give us much insight into his policies. He is a wild card. bigly.

 

[Commodus]

This thread is gold. Hilariously (or sadly, depending on your POV) not many Trumpkins here.

Simply speaking, there's not much they can say in Trump's defense. He clearly called for action against Clinton, and encouraged supporters who wanted that action; there's no ambiguity in his campaign's declaration that there will be no further investigation. Conway couldn't have been more explicit about the deception even if she'd said "yeah, he lied to get your vote."

I wouldn't be surprised if someone spins it to claim that Trump didn't really mean it, and that his flawless wisdom will lead him to focus on governing instead of revenge. You know, despite him repeatedly talking about exacting revenge during the campaign, such as expanding libel laws or threatening lawsuits against the dozens of women accusing him of sexual harassment.

 

[bshole]

Depends... if you take the most educated(city-born) or the least educated(reservation-born). You'll get different answers, but in most cases the whites are city-born. So, the ones comparing reservation to city should be discredited. Only apples can be compared, so none of that orange to apple business.

Genome-type intelligence based on minority(less than ~5% adoption in homo sapien genetics);
1st Denisovan/Neanderthal mix (Line of contact between Russia to Middle east) ~110 -> Generally, anywhere with ancient Jewish/Islamic interactions. <-- Whoa, there Seronx.
2nd Denisovan (India/Oceania <-> Russia/China) ~105 <-- Generally, Asians
3rd Neanderthal ("Europe") ~100 <-- Generally, Whites
4th Erectus (Africa-ish to Middle east) ~98 <-- All humans

Is there a reason for doing scientific studies on the intelligence of different races? Don't studies that investigate such issues stir up racism?

 

[trenchfoot]

For most of what Trump's been walking back on for now, he's either making himself look more and more like a Democrat or he's reneging on promises to those who believed he was working to dismantle the establishment because he wants to be in charge of the whole shebang and exploit it like he's been exploiting everything he can his whole life.

Now, if he can exploit it in favor of the working class and the poor, hey, who am I to argue. Even he manages to throw a few scraps our way, it's more than we'd ever get if any other Repub establishment type was in his place. If his intentions are to reshape the rigged system to where he gets his and the middle class and the poor gets theirs and the establishment gets bent over and royally reamed like it's been reaming us, well, about frick'in time I'd say.

Apparently though, the big losers here are, as usual and as it will forever be, the middle class and the poor. For the promise of bringing their jobs back and "Making America Great Again" the working class folks who voted for Trump handed their futures (and regrettably everyone else's) to a guy who was, is and will always be a self-centered spoiled brat with visions of grandeur and hell-bent on slapping his name on everything he can get his little hands on. That's what his behavior up to now is pointing to.

But there's still that sliver of hope, that very tiny sparkling light that I can see in the blacked out darkness I'm peering into. I'm hoping the nearer we get to it, the more it looks like a brighter future for us and not the Trump Train looking to take us for a ride.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes, I agree that's the real challenge with Trump. He is unpredictable. He is a pathological liar who advocated both sides of virtually every issue throughout his campaign, often on the same day. (One could do a great mash up of Donnie debating himself about almost everything.) I saw a Frank Luntz focus group of Trump followers. They essentially acknowledged he was lying, but filled the gaps with their personal beliefs. In other words, Trump's flagrant dishonesty gave them a blank slate they filled with their own ideal candidate. Clinton supporters saw the same lies and lack of conviction, but they filled the gaps with their worst fears.

The bottom line is we don't really know what Trump will do for -- or to -- America. He lacks any clear ideological foundation; his only consistent value seems to be self-enrichment. His record is that of a con man and swindler. That doesn't tell us much about his policies. We do know he has horrible temperament, that he is shamefully ignorant about the things that matter, and that he prefers to surround himself with loyal yes-men who won't challenge him. That suggests an incompetent and corrupt government, but still doesn't give us much insight into his policies. He is a wild card. bigly.

It's going to be interesting to watch this unfold. While I don't like the man it's good to see that he didn't go into instant insane mode. Hopefully he'll become a bit more predictable now that he's sold himself sufficiently to get into office.

We'll get through it. Won't be bored either.