Official Radeon 7970 Reviews Thread

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busydude

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AMD's CGN engineers must be laughing their asses off looking at derpdozer's team.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. History has taught us to not count our Nvidia eggs until they hatch. It'll get here when it gets here, until then we've got 7970 coming on Jan 9th and it looks mighty impressive if you are still on an original 5870 or GTX460 or older.
This. I was among those who waited and then kept on waiting until the 6950 since I had a 4890. And the 4890 was like a bird in the bush, which is priceless? :awe:
 

Elfear

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That's fair enough, on 2560x1600 I could see the 7970 being something $550 makes sense for. I'm only on 1920x1200, so I don't think I really *need* it. It's nice, but I do wish it was a bit cheaper. Oh well, wait for NV and the 7950 as well I guess

That makes sense. The 6950 still performs very well at 1920x1200. Only a small handful of games you can't max out so probably worth waiting for prices to drop on the newer stuff.
 

Olikan

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AMD's CGN engineers must be laughing their asses off looking at derpdozer's team.

not really...

Eric: I actually like the Bulldozer design, I think particularly the revisions that are upcoming are going to be pretty good for it. It's not a bad CPU, it’s just that the competition is very good there. We [Graphics division] have the advantage with the competition being somewhat on-par with our current designs, in performance/$$ we’re probably still ahead of them. This part is another salvo in that continuous war. We don't have alien process technology like Intel does [laughing], thankfully we're not competing directly with them. We're actually competing with guys that have exactly the same process technology as us, so we feel really comfortable about going for it. In fact, right now, I wish we had more time (of course) with it before we introduced it but this is looking to be a rock solid product. Everybody has met their expectations and everybody is happy with their performance.

http://www.rage3d.com/interviews/amdchats/eric_demers_dec_2011/index.php?p=1
it's page 5...i nice interwiev about tahiti
 

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Eric: I actually like the Bulldozer design, I think particularly the revisions that are upcoming are going to be pretty good for it. It's not a bad CPU, it’s just that the competition is very good there. We [Graphics division] have the advantage with the competition being somewhat on-par with our current designs, in performance/$$ we’re probably still ahead of them. This part is another salvo in that continuous war. We don't have alien process technology like Intel does [laughing], thankfully we're not competing directly with them. We're actually competing with guys that have exactly the same process technology as us, so we feel really comfortable about going for it. In fact, right now, I wish we had more time (of course) with it before we introduced it but this is looking to be a rock solid product. Everybody has met their expectations and everybody is happy with their performance.

Wish ATI would spin off out of AMD and get bought out by Intel. Let them make GPUs with Intel's fabs and we'd be getting insane levels of performance a few years after buy-out
 

bryanW1995

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What's Eric gonna say? "BD was the biggest flop in the history of mankind, those dudes are LOSERS"? No, he's a manager for the company and he's not going to trash another dept, in no small part b/c if he's successful enough they might give him the cpu gig next month or next year.
 

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I think I'm going to grab one of these; looks very nice and that's a sweet price! I'm overdue for an upgrade anyway. Sucks I have to wait until the 9th of January.

KT
 

bryanW1995

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Wasn't this the thinking when the 5870 launched? And then early adopters not only got in at lower prices but they got to enjoy their DX11 cards for some 4-5 months (or was it longer?) before competition showed up?

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. History has taught us to not count our Nvidia eggs until they hatch. It'll get here when it gets here, until then we've got 7970 coming on Jan 9th and it looks mighty impressive if you are still on an original 5870 or GTX460 or older.

It's pointless to speculate about a theoretical new card from NV or AMD. As IDC said, the 7970 is out now, and if you need a great high end card now then 7970 is an excellent option for you. Everything in this price range drops in price rapidly, heck I got a gtx 480 brand new for less than $200 earlier this year. What was that last year, $500-550? So in 18 months it dropped 60% + in price. I'd expect the same thing with 7970 and gtx 580, that's just the way it is.

This is looking kind of like the 5870 launch in that AMD is out and JHH doesn't have anything to fight back with. I wonder how happy 5870 early adopters still are after almost 2 1/2 years? The card was never supposed to be truly high end, anyway, and it's still solidly mid range even today. Remember when we had all that great Cayman buzz last year, then NV snuck in and stole their thunder with a kickass/early 5x0 launch? If NV had anything at all right now we'd see a paper launch from them as well.

And on the point of paper launches, do we give AMD a pass on this one? I'm somewhat inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt, just because they know it'll be out soon and they want to capitalize on some of that holiday shopping frenzy. However, I'm still strongly opposed to paper launches in general, and if this ends up biting AMD in the A$$ then I wouldn't be too upset by it.
 
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Olikan

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What's Eric gonna say? "BD was the biggest flop in the history of mankind, those dudes are LOSERS"? No, he's a manager for the company and he's not going to trash another dept, in no small part b/c if he's successful enough they might give him the cpu gig next month or next year.

lol, that's true!

but still, he is all... "thanks god intel don't make gpus"
 

bryanW1995

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They can't get the IP from amd/nv, at least for right now. When/if AMD goes belly up then you can bet that intel will swoop in and make a very aggressive play for it, however. I wonder if AMD would sell the ATI unit for $5 billion today? hmmm...
 

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http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1805/16/

At the bottom almost.
Stop making stink?

How exactly am I making "stink" when I did what he asked me to do, I couldn't find what it was he cited, and asked him to show me? Silverforce has a long history of making claims he never backs up and all I asked him to do was show me where he saw that.

"We talked to NVIDIA today and they said they plan on releasing their next generation processor in the first half of 2012 and our sources off the record said it would be at the end of that time frame."

Our sources off the record. I don't know who or what that exactly is, but I'll take it with a grain of salt. I don't need to upgrade anyway, I just dislike people spouting fud as fact for the sake of trying to make something look bad.
 

bryanW1995

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Intel has access to AMD's graphics IP as part of the AMD/Intel settlement. How much is not public AFAIK.

Apparently it's not enough for them to make a good discrete gpu. Don't AMD (gpu) and nvidia cross-license quite a bit of their technology?

How exactly am I making "stink" when I did what he asked me to do, I couldn't find what it was he cited, and asked him to show me? Silverforce has a long history of making claims he never backs up and all I asked him to do was show me where he saw that.

"We talked to NVIDIA today and they said they plan on releasing their next generation processor in the first half of 2012 and our sources off the record said it would be at the end of that time frame."

Our sources off the record. I don't know who or what that exactly is, but I'll take it with a grain of salt. I don't need to upgrade anyway, I just dislike people spouting fud as fact for the sake of trying to make something look bad.

We'll know soon enough. JHH's theory is that when you have nothing to say talk about the future. The 2 most likely scenarios in the next couple of weeks are either an aggressive NV price drop on 40nm high end combined with a really exciting/cool/motivating road map (with or without wood screws), or their own paper launch of Kepler. A possible 3rd scenario is that they keep prices about the same and talk about the future, though they would only do that if supply was relatively low and they're not building any more 580/570/560ti core 448 ++ FTW/etc.
 
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Will Robinson

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How exactly am I making "stink" when I did what he asked me to do, I couldn't find what it was he cited, and asked him to show me? Silverforce has a long history of making claims he never backs up and all I asked him to do was show me where he saw that.

"We talked to NVIDIA today and they said they plan on releasing their next generation processor in the first half of 2012 and our sources off the record said it would be at the end of that time frame."

Our sources off the record. I don't know who or what that exactly is, but I'll take it with a grain of salt. I don't need to upgrade anyway, I just dislike people spouting fud as fact for the sake of trying to make something look bad.
And yet you "claimed"(repeatedly) there would be no high end card from AMD this year and that NVDA's high end card would be released within 2 months of it....How's that working out for you?
 

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Must be painful having two of the world's second-fastest single GPU/single card solutions. Let alone six more months of it. Chin up. It'll be okay soon. ^_^

Unlike you I don't attach self worth to GPU's but thanks for the pep talk.
 

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And yet you "claimed"(repeatedly) there would be no high end card from AMD this year and that NVDA's high end card would be released within 2 months of it....How's that working out for you?

Well, you could say he's right on the first part. This is a soft launch, we can't buy 7970's until January.
 

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Intel has access to AMD's graphics IP as part of the AMD/Intel settlement. How much is not public AFAIK.

Do we know this to be fact, or is this one of those cases where it is more like accepted (but unsubstantiated) common knowledge? (Serious question)

I personally do not know the structure or nature of the x-licensing, but I do know (based on experience with being first-person involved in x-licensing negotiations) that simply saying "we are cross-licensing" does not mean that everything is on the table, 100% of the IP portfolios of either party.

They are usually very selective and specific on terms of which patent numbers are actually being included in the cross-licensing agreement.

Based on this experience, I question whether we know for certain AMD's GPU related patents are included in the existing x86 cross-licensing deal, or if we are just assuming/presuming?
 

AnandThenMan

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Do we know this to be fact, or is this one of those cases where it is more like accepted (but unsubstantiated) common knowledge? (Serious question)
Somewhere buried in one of AMD's conference calls, the question came up, I believe it was Dirk Meyer being asked if graphics IP was involved in the refreshed cross license agreement as part of the cash settlement. His simple answer was "yes". I don't recall the exact details, but I don't believe much granularity was given on that point, so we don't know to what end the IP is available to Intel.
 

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And yet you "claimed"(repeatedly) there would be no high end card from AMD this year and that NVDA's high end card would be released within 2 months of it....How's that working out for you?

Paper launch is paper launch. There is no no card this year. It worked out pretty great for me. So back to my previous comment, how is asking for someone to link their claims stink?
 
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