***OFFICIAL*** Ryzen 5000 / Zen 3 Launch Thread REVIEWS BEGIN PAGE 39

[scannall]

Pretty much all of them stated waiting for in depth independent reviews is best.

Take the presentation with a grain or two of salt, but it does look like AMD has upped their game! I doubt they've thrown unverifiable results out there.

Considering that during the AMD presentation, even AMD via Robert Hallock said "I know you will all wait for benchmarks." He likely knows how those are going to turn out already. ;-)

 

[Grooveriding]

I'd like to make the point that the 5600x and 5900x are a good deal compared to their intel counterparts. 10600k with a $20 cooler and the cheapest z490 mobo is $425 right now. And while per chip the 5600x is $25 more than the i5, it actually comes with its own cooler and motherboards start out at half the cost of the intel platform. 300+70>425 And with the 5900x and a b550 board you can save a solid $40 over an intel platform, and even then good AMD motherboards are still much cheaper than good intel boards at this time.

This is a good point as well. The platform cost of Intel has historically always been higher. More expensive motherboards, this is something else that is probably going to have to change now to stay competitive. I expect we see Intel platform MBs and CPUs taking price cuts.

No reviews will be able to recommend them with a straight face between high power consumption, lower performance and more expensive. Prices will have to come down to make them viable options.

 

[Scarpozzi]

I'm reluctant to post this question because I know no one will know the answer....but.....how long do you think it will be before these new processors see a decent price-break off retail?

Would you guess they'll be coming out with variations of the 4 launch processors in 1 year's time that might soften the MSRP some? Think they'll drop them to lean harder on Intel after initial demand drops?

I just built a x570-based system and purposefully went with the dutiful Ryzen 5 3600 @ $189 with intentions to double my cores from 6 to 12... I'm really curious if the performance boost will even be worth it because the only taxing thing I do is play MSFS 2020. I have trouble conceptualizing gains when most of the performance issues with that program are actually based on network and GPU.

 

[Jimzz]

I'm reluctant to post this question because I know no one will know the answer....but.....how long do you think it will be before these new processors see a decent price-break off retail?

Would you guess they'll be coming out with variations of the 4 launch processors in 1 year's time that might soften the MSRP some? Think they'll drop them to lean harder on Intel after initial demand drops?

I just built a x570-based system and purposefully went with the dutiful Ryzen 5 3600 @ $189 with intentions to double my cores from 6 to 12... I'm really curious if the performance boost will even be worth it because the only taxing thing I do is play MSFS 2020. I have trouble conceptualizing gains when most of the performance issues with that program are actually based on network and GPU.

My guess would be mid next year like a $50-ish drop. I bought my 2700x last Christmas timeframe as that is when it hit rock bottom, $120. The 3000's dropped about 6 months after they came out and now are dropping again similar to the 2000series did.
Only rub would be if intel somehow worked magic and came out with some high end be all chip on a 10nm+++' node or 7nm went so well they came out early. I don't think Intel will have anything really new till late 2021-early 2022 at best.

I will get a 5000chip in 18-ish months most likely when the 6000's are out. That will be the higher end my board can handle. Then ride that out for another 1-2years. Previous system was a Intel Ivy Bridge system that got 3 CPUs over its life, final 3770, and is now my HTPC. And the 8320 it replaced is now in parts.

 

[inf64]

Zen2 already has ~7% higher IPC (non-gaming) than Skylake as discovered by AT in their deep dive. Zen3, if 19% IPC jump pans out and I don't see why it will not, will extend that lead to a massive 27% - that is ~ 7.4% higher than Sunny/Willow Cove. Finally , due to latency improvement, Zen now can outperform 10900K in CPU bound gaming scenarios and that is ~5Ghz 10900K vs what looks like a ~4.2Ghz all core turbo Zen3 core. AMD is on top now across the board and with a hefty IPC margin.

 

[IEC]

I'm reluctant to post this question because I know no one will know the answer....but.....how long do you think it will be before these new processors see a decent price-break off retail?

Would you guess they'll be coming out with variations of the 4 launch processors in 1 year's time that might soften the MSRP some? Think they'll drop them to lean harder on Intel after initial demand drops?

I just built a x570-based system and purposefully went with the dutiful Ryzen 5 3600 @ $189 with intentions to double my cores from 6 to 12... I'm really curious if the performance boost will even be worth it because the only taxing thing I do is play MSFS 2020. I have trouble conceptualizing gains when most of the performance issues with that program are actually based on network and GPU.

Past several Zen launches have had some deals within a matter of 3-6 months. With Zen 4 following in just over a year I expect some deals by spring, if not earlier.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Zen2 already has ~7% higher IPC (non-gaming) than Skylake as discovered by AT in their deep dive. Zen3, if 19% IPC jump pans out and I don't see why it will not, will extend that lead to a massive 27% - that is ~ 7.4% higher than Sunny/Willow Cove. Finally , due to latency improvement, Zen now can outperform 10900K in CPU bound gaming scenarios and that is ~5Ghz 10900K vs what looks like a ~4.2Ghz all core turbo Zen3 core. AMD is on top now across the board and with a hefty IPC margin.

That's kind of what I was banking on. My first AMD chip is actually in my current laptop. (Ryzen 5 2500U) Prior to that, I've been 100% Intel if you don't count the 1995 Cyrix processor I bought when Pentium1 prices were ridiculous. It was actually my need for a more robust GPU and PSU that forced my hand at cutting price corners on the AMD 3600 CPU, but setting up ability to upgrade next gen when the market aligns.

My guess would be mid next year like a $50-ish drop. I bought my 2700x last Christmas timeframe as that is when it hit rock bottom, $120. The 3000's dropped about 6 months after they came out and now are dropping again similar to the 2000series did.
Only rub would be if intel somehow worked magic and came out with some high end be all chip on a 10nm+++' node or 7nm went so well they came out early. I don't think Intel will have anything really new till late 2021-early 2022 at best.

I will get a 5000chip in 18-ish months most likely when the 6000's are out. That will be the higher end my board can handle. Then ride that out for another 1-2years. Previous system was a Intel Ivy Bridge system that got 3 CPUs over its life, final 3770, and is now my HTPC. And the 8320 it replaced is now in parts.

Thanks for that insight. I may be with you in 18 months. I don't like being bleeding edge anyhow....it usually takes a bit for bios kinks to be worked out when new processors drop. You don't want to be the one discovering those bugs or waiting on vendors to analyze memory dumps... (I saw it in my Server Admin days and it was ugly waiting on Dell to work kinks out in the new Xeon Chipsets as they came up)

 

[Hans Gruber]

Zen2 already has ~7% higher IPC (non-gaming) than Skylake as discovered by AT in their deep dive. Zen3, if 19% IPC jump pans out and I don't see why it will not, will extend that lead to a massive 27% - that is ~ 7.4% higher than Sunny/Willow Cove. Finally , due to latency improvement, Zen now can outperform 10900K in CPU bound gaming scenarios and that is ~5Ghz 10900K vs what looks like a ~4.2Ghz all core turbo Zen3 core. AMD is on top now across the board and with a hefty IPC margin.

The key to the Zen 2 IPC was the memory latency that hurt performance. Zen 3 solves the memory latency issues with a 19% IPC bump according to AMD.

 

[QueBert]

So I was reading a lot of stuff on Google, the 4700G's OEM only, but a few sites said it would be available to the end user. Since there are so many stories and videos and I can't find anything definite. Does anyone know if/when the 4700G will be available for purchase? I want to build a new system and would like IGP. I have a i5 3750k now, so "upgrading" to a 3400G wouldn't give me much. I really want a 4700G

 

[Markfw]

So I was reading a lot of stuff on Google, the 4700G's OEM only, but a few sites said it would be available to the end user. Since there are so many stories and videos and I can't find anything definite. Does anyone know if/when the 4700G will be available for purchase? I want to build a new system and would like IGP. I have a i5 3750k now, so "upgrading" to a 3400G wouldn't give me much. I really want a 4700G

I could be wrong, but I think thats a laptop CPU, and is not sold, since its soldered into the motherboard. For DIY people, its 3xxx or 5xxx (soon to come)

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Imagine if they used the "7nm" production for the IO and the IF could do 2000MHz +

 

[zinfamous]

Imagine if they used the "7nm" production for the IO and the IF could do 2000MHz +

something I read and don't exactly understand is that the IO doesn't scale that way--essentially 12 or 14nm (I think it's still 14nm) is beyond adequate for what it does. Meaning, there is no theoretical or real benefit to move it to 7nm. This also allows them to move production to those parts elsewhere to free up more space for actual 7nm chiplet production, and maintain the last dying breaths of their wafer agreement with GloFo.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Pertaining to the XXnm production, I recently seen this:

 

[itsmydamnation]

something I read and don't exactly understand is that the IO doesn't scale that way--essentially 12 or 14nm (I think it's still 14nm) is beyond adequate for what it does. Meaning, there is no theoretical or real benefit to move it to 7nm. This also allows them to move production to those parts elsewhere to free up more space for actual 7nm chiplet production, and maintain the last dying breaths of their wafer agreement with GloFo.

there would be a power benefit but much less scaling benefit then standard logic or sram.

 

[Hulk]

We'll have to wait for independent tests but it seems as though AMD has come through with Zen 3. This is huge win not only for AMD but for consumers as well. The bar has been raised as far as performance goes and all of the lower performing chips from both AMD and Intel will undoubtedly be coming down in price.

 

[rbk123]

Let’s hope prices do indeed come down and it doesn’t become a price-fixfest like it is with Nvidia and AMD now for gpu’s.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

A dead meme has returned to explain how Intel has taken the news of the launch, so good. Somewhat NSFW.

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" Our CPUs need a nuclear reactor. AMD CPUs run on solar power and unicorn farts!" Lulz!

 

[Mopetar]

We'll have to wait for independent tests but it seems as though AMD has come through with Zen 3. This is huge win not only for AMD but for consumers as well. The bar has been raised as far as performance goes and all of the lower performing chips from both AMD and Intel will undoubtedly be coming down in price.

Only if they aren't supply constrained. The Pandemic has increased demand in a lot of sectors, and much like the mining boom did to GPU prices, resulting in a lot of prices rising above MSRP rather than going down.

The price increases aren't something consumers desire, but do they result in worse performance per dollar? If not than a new Zen 3 CPU is still a better purchase even at a higher price. It's only when value per dollar decreases that there's a real issue. Considering both Zen 2 and Zen 3 use the same wafers you can't really fault AMD unless They're decreasing the performance per dollar you can get, and even then it still might be hard to fault them too much if it's just the result of their own costs increasing due to the pandemic.

 

[Makaveli]

Looking forward to going 5800X or 5900X in the next few months!

 

[lobz]

No

It seems you deny statistics. Don't worry you're not the only person in the world with the same affliction.

Nope, it's you who's trying to apply it falsely. When comparing CPUs, you're dismissing numbers from games that are actually really CPU bound, this is not using statistics correctly but deliberate deception. Who exactly are you want to be kidding especially on AT forums of all places?

 

[lobz]

Way to compare 5600X to the worst Ryzen 5 chips instead of the $200 R5 3600 which the $300 R5 5600X replaces. And why is 8C/16T laughed off when the consoles are 8C/16T and thus everything is going to be optimized for such a setup? I don't trust 6C/12T to age well when it's lower than console spec so it sucks having a jump in price that pushes AMD's 6c/12t offering out of being a budget cpu.

Why do you go on about this like you do? The 3600 will be replaced with an eventual cheaper R5, the 5600X is replacing the 3600X ffs. It's not the end of the world _yet_, just because you won't get it on the 5th of November. Same with cars. The lowest and highest motor options don't always launch right away.

 

[lobz]

I'm really curious about all core boost for 5900x/5950x under AVX workloads. That's all I really care about.

Nah, that only counts as long as the Intel CPU or the NVIDIA GPU is more efficient. And I wish I was being sarcastic right niw, but no, that's what I actually learned reading forums all around in the past 15 years.

 

[lobz]

I could be wrong, but I think thats a laptop CPU, and is not sold, since its soldered into the motherboard. For DIY people, its 3xxx or 5xxx (soon to come)

The G series are desktop APUs, currently only available in OEM systems or in select Asian countries

 

[etrin]

I am not even going to consider it until I see some real reviews

 

[QueBert]

I could be wrong, but I think thats a laptop CPU, and is not sold, since its soldered into the motherboard. For DIY people, its 3xxx or 5xxx (soon to come)

No it's a desktop CPU, and a few sites are reporting that while it's OEM only right now, there will be a retail launch for it at a later date. But I can't find anything about if this is true, and if it's true how much later.