If I understood right, what I thought some days ago is right? This is a worst case scenario for Intel because by reconstructing the core AMD leave open plenty of space to add more hardware on Zen 4?
If I understood right, what I thought some days ago is right? This is a worst case scenario for Intel because by reconstructing the core AMD leave open plenty of space to add more hardware on Zen 4?
vakio = stockCan we get a link to the original article ?
I dont know what Vakio or Ylikellotettu is but I can guess, what timings/frequency are those.
Im guessing the langauge is Finnish??
Hope I can get my cl14 3800 kit stable with the new bios.
EDIT: I wonder if the IF will have a little more headroom, even though being the same IO chip. I'm able to run my kit 1:1 at 1900/3800 on my 3800X
Still half:
And it's overall also half of Zen 2 since it's now one CCX instead two per CCD, and the link is per CCX.
Technically that would make a 32 core Ryzen or a 128 core Epyc possible still without changing the IOD, since on the latter half the CCX links are now unused otherwise. 🤯 But lack of space on the package likely will prevent that, or will it?
Yeah, AMD is obviously sticking to that. Actually there may have been even more activity in the background. Do you recall how Keller was supposedly involved in the planning for Zen 1-3? Now Zen 3 was the rewrite already, and with Zen 2 AMD said they backported some Zen 3 improvements. Also there is now talk about two major design teams leapfrogging each other, with the first team having done Zen 1 and 2, and now the second team being responsible for Zen 3 and 4. This makes me belief AMD skipped the Zen 3 originally planned and rolled that into Zen 2 instead (which was late due to that so AMD created the filler Zen+ for the consumer market instead).
Suspiciously good knowledge of Finnish in this forumvakio = stock
ylikellotettu = overclocked
Yeah, well... I might know a word or two, for obvious reason...Suspiciously good knowledge of Finnish in this forum
Your google translate fu is not letting you down?Yeah, well... I might know a word or two, for obvious reason...
Igor delivers again. There's in fact a difference, even at higher resolutions between the 1 and 2 CCX chips. Very interesting.From the Igor's lab review, it appears that coupling the FCLK and memory clock is still necessary to get a performance increase. In his review, Zen 3 gains nearly as much as Intel does with the faster memory. Also, AMD did release a slide about memory overclocking for Zen 3:
I'm a native Finnish speaker.Your google translate fu is not letting you down?
You Scandinavians and your better command of English than the average native English speaker. Sheesh.I'm a native Finnish speaker.
AMD direct has the 5950x at $1043 even though it is sold out.
The AMD website was screwy part of today with prices for out-of-stock 5900 and 5950 reported far above MSRP, but seems fixed now.I see $799 which is MSRP?
Hope I can get my cl14 3800 kit stable with the new bios.
EDIT: I wonder if the IF will have a little more headroom, even though being the same IO chip. I'm able to run my kit 1:1 at 1900/3800 on my 3800X
Actually, not a bad showing for the 5 year old architecture.Eye watering MT performance as well. When a stock 16C/32T Zen3 chip on a dual channel mainstream platform utterly destroys a 4.8Ghz SKL-X 18C/36T with quad ch. memory, it's PG13 content : https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-5950x-5900x-zen-3-review
Yeah, it reminds of Bulldozer . Runs super hot, needs crazy high clockspeeds and way more cores due to a massive IPC disadvantage. Oh how tables have turned. Sad part for intel is that there is no light at the end of the tunnel, at least not in the next 12 months.Actually, not a bad showing for the 5 year old architecture.
That is about right metaphor/analogy
Zen3 basically uncorks Zen2's limitations. They did make some die size investments, but at KEY areas so the impact is not large. Where it should have been large they compensated with better topology and process optimizations.
The write BW is not a limitation , that is a myth. AFAIK there are zero workloads that show bottlenecks coming from the write BW from chiplets to the IMC/IOD.
Zen3 is memory BW bottle necked in highly MT workloads, that is evident, but it's because the cores need more memory BW (not just write BW).
Okay, after my mistaken post on the phone, I did find some actual Flight Sim 2020 reviews:
Zen3 leading in FPS and 99p but Intel ahead in 99.9p (lager is Dutch for lower).AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, Ryzen 7 5800X, Ryzen 9 5900X en 5950X
AMD doet vandaag zijn grootste introductie van dit jaar: de Ryzen 5000-processors voor desktops, op basis van de gloednieuwe Zen 3-architectuur.tweakers.net
Less detailed test.