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[maddie]

We've been through a couple of pages on this already, can we get to the part where 10700 wins by a nice enough margin to justify the higher price?

It's really quite simple and I don't know why Atenra won't just come out and say it, but "all I want for Christmas is an 8 core CPU".

 

[amrnuke]

We've been through a couple of pages on this already, can we get to the part where 10700 wins by a nice enough margin to justify the higher price?

And the part where we're buying a $300+ CPU and $700+ GPU to play games on a 1080p monitor?

This makes so little sense at this point. For gaming at 1080p with a 2080 Ti, there's no use in buying a 10700, 5600X - the Intel 8400, Intel 10100, and AMD 3600 are all within 10%.

 

[Kenmitch]

is there a way to hide posts that reply to users you have on ignore?

I've lost count how many pages of this thread I've skimmed over to get past all the replies to trolls.

Sadly no.

 

[Makaveli]

Sadly no.

I really wish there was because Team Blue is derailing a Zen 3 thread, which they aren't going to buy any of the processors and are not going to convert anyone in here so why bother.

 

[therealmongo]

I really wish there was because Team Blue is derailing a Zen 3 thread, which they aren't going to buy any of the processors and are not going to convert anyone in here so why bother.

Agreed, what I dont get it is why a moderator has not stepped in.

The troll could easily start a new thread titled, "10700K is a better buy than a 5600x" and
discuss to his hearts content, but instead this thread has been crapped on page after page after page.....

 

[Veradun]

It's really quite simple and I don't know why Atenra won't just come out and say it, but "all I want for Christmas is an Intel CPU".

fixed

 

[DrMrLordX]

Can we get to the part where TPU have reliable numbers?

I wish. TPU even seems upset with TPU these days.

Look I don't know how to feel about the 5600x; it's a shame it costs 25% 20% (durrrr) more than the 3600X, but it also obviates the need for anyone to strongly consider a more-expensive CPU for a gaming rig. Maybe someday it will suffer for want of moar cores. Curiously I just don't see that day as being today. If you are buying a 3080 or whatever to drive a gaming rig in late 2020, I can't recommend anything more expensive than the 5600x unless you care about that last little sliver of performance.

Also anyone still on Pinnacle Ridge who wants to drop a 5600x (or 5600?) into their system in January (assuming 400-level chipset) will have a lovely option that should outperform a 2700x in everything at a not-terrible price for the upgrade.

 

[Veradun]

Look I don't know how to feel about the 5600x; it's a shame it costs 25% more than the 3600X

Well, that's just a way to see it

 

[Kenmitch]

I really wish there was because Team Blue is derailing a Zen 3 thread, which they aren't going to buy any of the processors and are not going to convert anyone in here so why bother.

I feel sorry for team blue. They're obviously suffering from shrinking e-peen syndrome.

It's really quite simple and I don't know why Atenra won't just come out and say it, but "all I want for Christmas is an 8 core CPU".

8 lumps of coal is more appropriate.

 

[inf64]

Zen3 is a brutally efficient core and that has a $ premium to it, unfortunately. There is a lot of choice in the market today, Zen3 is pricey but it's the best core in x86. Prices will go down in time, that is inevitable, so either buy Zen2/CL now or just shell out the $$$ and get the best, it's your choice.

 

[rainy]

Look I don't know how to feel about the 5600x; it's a shame it costs 25% more than the 3600X

299 dollars to 249, it's 20 percent increase not 25.

Btw, I'm surprised, that people are not complaining about price of 5800x - 50 percent higher MSRP than 5600x for 1/3 more cores/threads.
In comparison, 5900x looks much better: 50 percent more cores/threads than 5800x for circa 22 percent price increase.

 

[Det0x]

I ran again, and the CPU is hovering around 4990 MHz. A bit higher now after I closed other apps. Seems around 1600.
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*edit*

Nevermind, score seem legit.. Cant wait to get my hands on a 5950x

 

[inf64]

Anyone willing to guess how Mindfactory.de CPU sales percentages will look like in Q1 2021 ?
Ryzen 3000 pushed it to upper 80%, Ryzen 5000 will be complete brutality.

 

[Ajay]

Agreed, what I dont get it is why a moderator has not stepped in.

The troll could easily start a new thread titled, "10700K is a better buy than a 5600x" and
discuss to his hearts content, but instead this thread has been crapped on page after page after page.....

This has been happening for many years (probably decades, I can't remember). Welcome to ATF CPUs and Overclocking.

 

[Mopetar]

@AtenRa TPU's numbers are the anomaly, apparently they've even said that they think they need to redo their 5000 series benchmarks because of how far off they are from everyone else.

I think the suspected reasoning is that they only tested using two sticks of RAM instead of four. Someone had posted a video of some memory testing from either GN or Hardware Unboxed that produced similar results that would explain the discrepancy.

Frankly, neither the 5600X or 10700 are a particularly good value. The 3600 is a considerable saving over either for performance that's nearly as good. Eventually the 5600 and 5700X are going to drop and fill in the gaps in the current lineup and Rocket Lake is going to be available soon as well so anyone concerned with value is better off waiting or just getting a 3600 while they're still in stock.

 

[DisEnchantment]

Kernel compile time lesser than 9 mins. (decompress from distro source, compile and sign) I am waiting for a 980 Pro SSD to be in stock. I should hit mid single digits.
4.1-4.15 GHz sustained all core.
Compile only should be around 5-6 mins. With PCIe 4.0 SSD, it will be insane. Right now still using my PCIe 3.0 SSD.
Look at those threads fly

I booted ubuntu cloud arm64 image in QEMU and ran some of my native arm64 apps, it is a biiiig improvement over my 3900X.

 

[Hitman928]

I think the suspected reasoning is that they only tested using two sticks of RAM instead of four. Someone had posted a video of some memory testing from either GN or Hardware Unboxed that produced similar results that would explain the discrepancy.

Frankly, neither the 5600X or 10700 are a particularly good value. The 3600 is a considerable saving over either for performance that's nearly as good. Eventually the 5600 and 5700X are going to drop and fill in the gaps in the current lineup and Rocket Lake is going to be available soon as well so anyone concerned with value is better off waiting or just getting a 3600 while they're still in stock.

I have my doubts about that reasoning but I'll chalk it up in the maybe column and wait to see if TPU actually retests anything.

 

[lightmanek]

*edit*

Nevermind, score seem legit.. Cant wait to get my hands on a 5950x
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I scored 1605 ST and 21800 Multi on Stock settings with 3800MHz CL18 RAM.
Looks like Rocket Lake can take ST win in new CB R23 away from Zen 3 with the rumored clock.

 

[Racan]

I scored 1605 ST and 21800 Multi on Stock settings with 3800MHz CL18 RAM.
Looks like Rocket Lake can take ST win in new CB R23 away from Zen 3 with the rumored clock.

I think Intel may regain the lead with most single and lightly threaded apps with the rumored 5.5Ghz boost

 

[lightmanek]

I think Intel may regain the lead with most single and lightly threaded apps with the rumored 5.5Ghz boost

We don't know yet for how long that 5.5GHz clock can be achieved and in what type of code. If it does boost there and stays for the duration of a benchmark, then yes, the chances are high. I'm all for the competition and I'm looking forward to Intel pushing the limits of clocks and power as some people don't care too much for efficiency.
Exiting times for any CPU enthusiast, no matter which manufacturer they prefer.

 

[Mopetar]

It was a GN video and they reported ~10% better performance when using four sticks over two:

If you look at the TPU reviews their test setup specifically shows they're only using 2x 8 GB of RAM (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/5.html) in their reviews. Maybe there's a different reason, but that seems to be the most logical explanation from the information we have available.

 

[Racan]

We don't know yet for how long that 5.5GHz clock can be achieved and in what type of code. If it does boost there and stays for the duration of a benchmark, then yes, the chances are high. I'm all for the competition and I'm looking forward to Intel pushing the limits of clocks and power as some people don't care too much for efficiency.
Exiting times for any CPU enthusiast, no matter which manufacturer they prefer.

Yep let's hope Zen 3 makes AMD enough money to fund the R&D for the future so that they can keep pushing the competition.

 

[Hitman928]

It was a GN video and they reported ~10% better performance when using four sticks over two:

If you look at the TPU reviews their test setup specifically shows they're only using 2x 8 GB of RAM (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/5.html) in their reviews. Maybe there's a different reason, but that seems to be the most logical explanation from the information we have available.

For some reason that video won't play for me right now, but Intel CPUs benefit from higher rank RAM as well. Did they test against how much Intel gains also?

 

[maddie]

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Kernel compile time lesser than 9 mins. (decompress from distro source, compile and sign) I am waiting for a 980 Pro SSD to be in stock. I should hit mid single digits.
4.1-4.15 GHz sustained all core.
Compile only should be around 5-6 mins. With PCIe 4.0 SSD, it will be insane. Right now still using my PCIe 3.0 SSD.
Look at those threads fly

I booted ubuntu cloud arm64 image in QEMU and ran some of my native arm64 apps, it is a biiiig improvement over my 3900X.

Is that the separate CCDs clocking differently?

 

[itsmydamnation]

so is someone going to run geekbench 5.3 on Zen3 now that it is release?

edit: and then update the title to say geekbench single core -> 1800