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[Mopetar]

Yes, they will bin their chips to 4.6Ghz+ and everything else will be buried rather than sold to peasants at a discount.

AMD essentially built their desktop marketshare using the X600 and X700 SKUs, but no more. What consumers really want is to pay $449 for a mainstream CPU that can deliver console gaming performance.

Keep in mind AMD has only announced four CPUs, all of which are X parts. This makes some sense because between the consoles and the new GPUs that are launching soon AMD is going to be constrained on wafers. You can't launch the mass market parts that will sell at the highest volumes in that situation. Even with the premium product NVidia has found difficulties keeping up with demand.

As AMD produces more chiplet a and stockpiles a big enough bin we'll see a 5600 and 5500 round out the lineup and offer the prices that mainstream consumers are willing to pay.

I have a feeling that we'll still see shortages even though AMD is only targeting the high end of the market. If independent reviews do give them the gaming crown, expect a lot more people to pull the trigger on an upgrade.

 

[jpiniero]

Did AMD physically show the processor? I am wondering about how big the chiplet is.

 

[exquisitechar]

I find the Zen3 core extremely impressive. A bit disappointed that details about the changes AMD made were so sparse, can't wait for a full disclosure. Especially impressive how the performance increase, in games in particular, is so massive when the IO die is unchanged.

The price hike is unfortunate for sure, but I'm convinced AMD is wringing money out of early adopters and that something like a 5700X/5600 will come at a more reasonable, albeit higher than the Zen2 equivalent price point.

 

[zinfamous]

...lol, why are so many complaining about pricing just, fundamentally ignoring current reality and actual history:

--the state of the industry right now, in terms of supply. These guys can't control it. You desperately want parts now, at whatever cost, this release pricing is a way to make that little more possible (but they will still sell out, anyway)
--the recent history of AMD and their cheaper launch prices = general retail markup for months = you pay the same damn price anyway compared to these MSRP for Zen3. BUT WE WANT THE RETAILERS TO KEEP GETTING OUR MONEY AND NOT AMD! RAAWARG!
--These prices always, always, always tend to drop pretty quickly if supply allows it, and you are always always always going to find deals at places like Microcenter or Frys, pretty early on.

 

[Excelsior]

I find the Zen3 core extremely impressive. A bit disappointed that details about the changes AMD made were so sparse, can't wait for a full disclosure. Especially impressive how the performance increase, in games in particular, is so massive when the IO die is unchanged.

The price hike is unfortunate for sure, but I'm convinced AMD is wringing money out of early adopters and that something like a 5700X/5600 will come at a more reasonable, albeit higher than the Zen2 equivalent price point.

I think they're doing that and making sure supply is built up to some degree. Despite all the uproar about price, I think these will still sell well. They look to offer unprecedented performance.

 

[coercitiv]

If AMD will not release the 5600 or any other cheaper 4C 8T ZEN 3 CPUs before or after Intel release its new RocketLake Desktop CPUs in Q1 2021 , they will have problems competing with the old Ryzen 2xxx and Ryzen 3xxx.

Not to mention that availability of Wafers will be better in Q1 for more CPU capacity due to lower Console demand in that period.

Keep in mind AMD has only announced four CPUs, all of which are X parts. This makes some sense because between the consoles and the new GPUs that are launching soon AMD is going to be constrained on wafers. You can't launch the mass market parts that will sell at the highest volumes in that situation. Even with the premium product NVidia has found difficulties keeping up with demand.

As AMD produces more chiplet a and stockpiles a big enough bin we'll see a 5600 and 5500 round out the lineup and offer the prices that mainstream consumers are willing to pay.

I have a feeling that we'll still see shortages even though AMD is only targeting the high end of the market. If independent reviews do give them the gaming crown, expect a lot more people to pull the trigger on an upgrade.

I have a feeling I should have added sarcasm marks all over my original reply.

On a serious note, not only is there likely a wafer constraint imposed by consoles, but the consoles launch window may also have altered AMD marketing: focusing on the flagship/enthusiast parts allows them to get very positive media coverage while minimizing negative effect on consoles. It's a decent trade-off between themselves and semi-custom partners.

I too agree we're likely to see shortages on these early SKUs as well, which is unfortunate considering this holiday season would be a boon for their sales figures if they had the more budget friendly SKUs available. But then again lots of things could be better for everybody this year.

 

[therealmongo]

Yeah I'm not paying $300 for a six core cpu. I don't get people who root for AMD like they're any more our friend than Intel is.

Such a narrow point of view,

you cant see the forest for the trees!

Yes, you absolutely keep proving your point to yourself, exactly in the same style like someone I know here, who's very fond of the number 83. Good for you, I guess?

Well if you look at the 2nd part of his sig you will understand why

I'm not putting words in your mouth. You openly declared you would rather buy the 10400F or 10700K instead of the 5600X. I invited you to do so, to which you replied that you "don't really think 5600X is going to age all that gracefully being 6C/12T when the consoles are 8C/16T ".

So which is it? You want a budget 6-core or console equivalent 8-core that will age gracefully? Because if it's just a 6-core, then your initial reply about consoles was just goalpost shifting. Pick your poison.

...lol, why are so many complaining about pricing just, fundamentally ignoring current reality and actual history:

--the state of the industry right now, in terms of supply. These guys can't control it. You desperately want parts now, at whatever cost, this release pricing is a way to make that little more possible (but they will still sell out, anyway)
--the recent history of AMD and their cheaper launch prices = general retail markup for months = you pay the same damn price anyway compared to these MSRP for Zen3. BUT WE WANT THE RETAILERS TO KEEP GETTING OUR MONEY AND NOT AMD! RAAWARG!
--These prices always, always, always tend to drop pretty quickly if supply allows it, and you are always always always going to find deals at places like Microcenter or Frys, pretty early on.

Because its the only thing left for them to do!

Some people just have to have something to moan about.

 

[jpiniero]

I too agree we're likely to see shortages on these early SKUs as well, which is unfortunate considering this holiday season would be a boon for their sales figures if they had the more budget friendly SKUs available. But then again lots of things could be better for everybody this year.

They could use Cezanne instead for cheaper parts.

 

[rbk123]

Intel was much more than 2% ahead in gaming before Zen 3.

Only in outliers.

 

[rbk123]

I'm very surprised that AMD didn't raise the speed of the 1:1 Infinity Fabric for memory and that this remains the same as is the case with Zen 2.

It does make their IPC improvements all the more impressive and takes away a reason to buy new ram, if you already have fastish DDR4.

If they could have done it and gotten it stable in time for this launch but didn't include, my guess would be they're saving it for part of the refresh performance gains for this line next year.

 

[AtenRa]

Thats probably why they want to get Cezanne out ASAP. Both for desktop and mobile. To me everything below 250 is Cezanne...

Monolithic APU dies are larger vs 8C 16T Chiplets.
I dont believe AMD wants more APUs in desktop , especially now.

 

[inf64]

The only downside I can see to these new parts is the most likely lower all-core boost on them. A hint that this will be the case is the -100Mhz on the base clock Vs Ryzen 3000 series. These new cores are much wider and more power hungry, something just had to give no matter the wizardry level of over 9000 that AMD and TSMC showed. It's all good, they will most likely bump/refresh all the models in the spring, around April, giving them +100Mhz and then we will hopefully have a price reduction on this current lineup.

My Asus PRIME X570-P is ready for it's new 8C master, 1600AF is ready to go into retirement soon

 

[jpiniero]

Monolithic APU dies are larger vs 8C 16T Chiplets.
I dont believe AMD wants more APUs in desktop , especially now.

Could just limit it to chips that wouldn't be usable in mobile or have a defective GPU.

 

[Shivansps]

Monolithic APU dies are larger vs 8C 16T Chiplets.
I dont believe AMD wants more APUs in desktop , especially now.

Intel is offering 6C below $200 both with and whiout gpus AMD needs something on there ASAP, once Rocket Lake launches Zen+ APUs and Zen 2 CPUs are a no-go.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Monolithic APU dies are larger vs 8C 16T Chiplets.
I dont believe AMD wants more APUs in desktop , especially now.

Yep. Much better profit margin selling CPUs with no GPU on them. They will want to push APUs almost exclusively at laptops where they are actually required.

 

[Abwx]

I find the Zen3 core extremely impressive. A bit disappointed that details about the changes AMD made were so sparse, can't wait for a full disclosure.

Actually they gave enough infos that we can conclude that it s about the same uarch exe ressource wise but better fed by the front end, wich can eventually retrieve one more op per cycle, L/S improvement is mandatory in this case, hence the break down of the contributions.

• +2.7% Cache Prefetching
• +3.3% Execution Engine
• +1.3% Branch Predictor
• +2.7% Micro-op Cache
• +4.6% Front End
• +4.6% Load/Store

AMD Ryzen 5000 and Zen 3 on Nov 5th: +19% IPC, Claims Best Gaming CPU

www.anandtech.com

 

[Grooveriding]

Are they doing preorders on these anywhere, or will we have to storm the front on launch day? I worry these will be OOS everywhere like the 3080/3090 is, but I expect there will be a lot more qty. available on launch day. Once that is depleted though - it may be like the new nvidia GPUs where you have to rush the website seconds after they go in stock to get one. Especially the 5900x, which I'm guessing will be available in lower quantities than the lower end SKUs.

 

[kallisX]

you should all smoke DMT and buy AMD redacted!

This kind of post is not allowed in the tech forums.
It contained profanity, and it was simply trolling.

AT Mod Usandthem

 

[moinmoin]

Are they doing preorders on these anywhere, or will we have to storm the front on launch day? I worry these will be OOS everywhere like the 3080/3090 is. Especially the 5900x, which I'm guessing will be available in lower quantities than the lower end SKUs.

I really hope AMD has plenty stock of 5900X. They should be prepared for the interest this round after 3900X was sold out for months since AMD wasn't prepared at all for its at that time most costly consumer CPU to actually sell. For this launch the 5900X is actually the price/performance star of the line up. The event mostly focused on it. Given all that a lack of 5900X stock would be inexcusable.

It will sell out anyway though.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Such a narrow point of view,

you cant see the forest for the trees!


Well if you look at the 2nd part of his sig you will understand why







Because its the only thing left for them to do!

Some people just have to have something to moan about.

So much complaining when Nvidia raises prices, so many excuses when AMD does it.

 

[Qwertilot]

If they get swarmed under in anything like the same way - and there's no particular reason to doubt that they will - then they'll go out of stock.

Especially if there's disproportionate demand for the very top chip, which by it's very nature won't be possible to produce in large quantities.

No point complaining if so.

 

[moinmoin]

Especially if there's disproportionate demand for the very top chip, which by it's very nature won't be possible to produce in large quantities.

The very top chip is 5950X though which comes with a hefty premium, so I expect both stock and demand for it to be significantly smaller than for 5900X.

 

[tamz_msc]

Only in outliers.

You know there is a meta-review at 3DCenter.org - compiling the results from different reviews, and it shows that the gap is clearly more than 2%.

Are you still in denial?

 

[Qwertilot]

The very top chip is 5950X though which comes with a hefty premium, so I expect both stock and demand for it to be significantly smaller than for 5900X.

Logically so, yes. Probably in the long run too.

In practice? The 3090 is priced both absolutely higher and is vastly worse in relative value terms than the 5950X and that hasn't really stopped their being very robust initial demand. There's probably a unusually strong overlap between the people who'll buy the best regardless of value and those who want it 'now'.

 

[tamz_msc]

Well if you look at the 2nd part of his sig you will understand why

Well it perfectly describes the biases of 99% of the posters in this thread, including you.