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JoeRambo

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Also this just released:


Sad to see PBO being as retarded and useless as it always was. Pumping 1.3V for negative gains in CB15 score @4.6Ghz sounds just what brain dead OC would do.
Those who care about efficiency will still need to run static all core overclocks, loosing ST peak clocks it seems.
 

JoeRambo

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Did you just assess system stability of a 5600X @ 4.6Ghz / 1.2V with just a couple of CB 15 runs?

No need to access it, same behavior as on 39XX series, retarded voltages, wattages for no or even negative gain. 0.1V rise by itself will make chip thermally unstable in those non CB15 workloads, making whole stability question irrelevant.
 

chimaxi83

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Sad to see PBO being as retarded and useless as it always was. Pumping 1.3V for negative gains in CB15 score @4.6Ghz sounds just what brain dead OC would do.
Those who care about efficiency will still need to run static all core overclocks, loosing ST peak clocks it seems.

Yup. On my 3700X, PBO gets me 4.4Ghz peak at ~1.4V (HWInfo has shown peaks around 1.45!), temps peak around 78C on water. I know part of that high temp is the chiplet design and not having a Ryzen optimized block but still. Manual overclock is 4.2Ghz at 1.14V with temps around 60C. PBO has been utter trash for my sample.
 

Ajay

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Yup. On my 3700X, PBO gets me 4.4Ghz peak at ~1.4V (HWInfo has shown peaks around 1.45!), temps peak around 78C on water. I know part of that high temp is the chiplet design and not having a Ryzen optimized block but still. Manual overclock is 4.2Ghz at 1.14V with temps around 60C. PBO has been utter trash for my sample.
Same here on my 3900X. Static overclocks are lame to (4.2Ghz all core to be stable under all conditions). Undervolting helped a bit until a BIOS update.
 

Graphenewhen

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Yup. On my 3700X, PBO gets me 4.4Ghz peak at ~1.4V (HWInfo has shown peaks around 1.45!), temps peak around 78C on water. I know part of that high temp is the chiplet design and not having a Ryzen optimized block but still. Manual overclock is 4.2Ghz at 1.14V with temps around 60C. PBO has been utter trash for my sample.

Agreed, PBO seems to be a bit of a blunt instrument - AMD has a tendency to overvolt both their CPUs and GPUs for some reason. My 3700X runs at 4.3Ghz all core at 1.26v, which is good enough for my needs. I just wish Ryzen Master allowed for single thread clocks to be pushed separately as it should be good for 4.5Ghz+ on its best core.
 

Mopetar

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It's actually a word, albeit a French word. It would appear that it's in the process of being incorporated into the English language (which historically has borrowed a lot of words from other languages, French especially) and that the usage in English is essentially the same meaning that it has in French. Otherwise, it's a perfectly cromulent word.

If it being French makes you think that means it's somehow not an English word, then obviously this is your first rodeo.
 

Makaveli

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Yup. On my 3700X, PBO gets me 4.4Ghz peak at ~1.4V (HWInfo has shown peaks around 1.45!), temps peak around 78C on water. I know part of that high temp is the chiplet design and not having a Ryzen optimized block but still. Manual overclock is 4.2Ghz at 1.14V with temps around 60C. PBO has been utter trash for my sample.

On my 3800X with PBO enabled and PBO FMax on I peak at 4540Ghz at 1.4v+ at 74c on my AIO. All core clocks hit 4241 at about 1.368v
 

coercitiv

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I'm tempted to start asking people about their stock voltages on Intel Skylake based CPUs. Then we go move on to Nvidia's Ampere for a complete tour.

What if I told you that Intel platforms also easily push 0.1V more than they should? What if we started to look at stock Vcore based on motherboard model / BIOS version?
 

Graphenewhen

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I'm tempted to start asking people about their stock voltages on Intel Skylake based CPUs. Then we go move on to Nvidia's Ampere for a complete tour.

What if I told you that Intel platforms also easily push 0.1V more than they should? What if we started to look at stock Vcore based on motherboard model / BIOS version?

Think the point is that PBO pushes voltages up when there isn't necessarily a need to in order for another 100Mhz or so.
 

Mopetar

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Any bets how long it takes userbenchmark to add tweaks specific to Ryzen 5000?

I think they're running out of tweaks they can make at this point. About the only way Intel comes out ahead is if they benchmark the number of letters in the manufacture's name in which case Intel has a comfortable 66% lead over AMD and if we look specifically at vowels than Intel has doubled up their performance lead in that category.

The number in the process node is also about 42% bigger for Intel as well so I guess they've got an edge over AMD in that regard as well. If they showed a graph for "financial considerations" I have no doubt that Intel would come out ahead there too!
 

ElFenix

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It's actually a word, albeit a French word. It would appear that it's in the process of being incorporated into the English language (which historically has borrowed a lot of words from other languages, French especially) and that the usage in English is essentially the same meaning that it has in French. Otherwise, it's a perfectly cromulent word.

If it being French makes you think that means it's somehow not an English word, then obviously this is your first rodeo.
no, not at all. rather, it seems to me more that tech writers, who have been in serious need of line editing for as long as i can remember, didn't know that a suitable form of the word "perform" already existed, and so invented and started using "performant." without even being aware that there is an actual french word.

again, see second comment:
 

Mopetar

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no, not at all. rather, it seems to me more that tech writers, who have been in serious need of line editing for as long as i can remember, didn't know that a suitable form of the word "perform" already existed, and so invented and started using "performant." without even being aware that there is an actual french word.

again, see second comment:

That's a lot of assumption on your part about the minds of people who are not you. Can you definitively say that neither of the authors of that article have never spoken French or taken a course on the language? I doubt it.

Even if you could, it doesn't matter. They could have simply heard someone who speaks French use the word. The important part of language is that we understand what is meant to be conveyed. Is anyone confused or mislead by the use of "performant" in a sentence? That it's easy for anyone to grok from basic context causes it to enter the lexicon and become used by others to convey meaning.
 

therealmongo

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I think they're running out of tweaks they can make at this point. About the only way Intel comes out ahead is if they benchmark the number of letters in the manufacture's name in which case Intel has a comfortable 66% lead over AMD and if we look specifically at vowels than Intel has doubled up their performance lead in that category.

The number in the process node is also about 42% bigger for Intel as well so I guess they've got an edge over AMD in that regard as well. If they showed a graph for "financial considerations" I have no doubt that Intel would come out ahead there too!
But...but you have forgetten every ++ after 14nm also counts for additional performance tweaks which shall be added to the score

 

ElFenix

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That's a lot of assumption on your part about the minds of people who are not you. Can you definitively say that neither of the authors of that article have never spoken French or taken a course on the language? I doubt it.

Even if you could, it doesn't matter. They could have simply heard someone who speaks French use the word. The important part of language is that we understand what is meant to be conveyed. Is anyone confused or mislead by the use of "performant" in a sentence? That it's easy for anyone to grok from basic context causes it to enter the lexicon and become used by others to convey meaning.
no more assumption than you've displayed.

i was almost certainly confused the first time i came across it. i would have seemed like yet another typo by a field swimming in typos because editors can't be bothered to hire, well, editors. a line editor would certainly have corrected it to an already-existing version of "perform."
 

coercitiv

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Think the point is that PBO pushes voltages up when there isn't necessarily a need to in order for another 100Mhz or so.
And my point is people are comparing PBO voltages versus manually tuned voltages. One can easily get 100+mV undervolts even starting from stock settings, on all platforms.

Here's the same story happening on Intel 9th gen:


Stock 4.6Ghz 124W and Blender done in 305 seconds.
Manual 5Ghz 128W and Blender done in 280 seconds. Lower temps too.

Intel power management must be retarded, they're essentially leaving 10% performance on the table. Or could it be there's more to this than just comparing automated systems that must compensate for tolerance across thousands of products with values tuned for one chip only?

PBO is overclocking for the masses. Stock is settings for the masses. Anybody who wants to extract full performance out of their PC needs to tune it on a chip by chip basis.
 

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Makaveli

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Benchmarks 5800x

C20: 5616

Normal 3200 c16 ram

While I don't care for geekbench numbers what I do like is the chip hitting higher speeds than its 4.7Ghz turbo

4.84 GHz in this run.
 

Ajay

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Are reviews out on the 5th? There used to be a website that listed all the launches and embargo dates, but I forgot the name.
 
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