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[yeshua]

Isn't it exciting to what lengths some people go trying to vindicate AMD's new pricing:



Yeah, the Ryzen 7 3700X which was introduced at $330 and now costs on average around $310 (and occasionally is being sold for as low as $250), has suddenly become $90 more expensive according to Linus Tech Tips (with over 12 million subscribers) - the channel has openly become very pro-AMD recently to the point where they criticize or/and underplay anything released by NVIDIA/Intel: "I'm DONE covering for NVIDIA - RTX 3070 Review".

And Linus conveniently forgot about the existence of 3600 which was introduced at $200 (and now can be have for less that $160). Yeah, "just a measly $50 price increase" when reality it starts from 50%. Oh, and the Ryzen 5 3600X costs $250, not $300! AMD does love fat margins!

 

[GoodRevrnd]

I'm new to AMD memory OC, will they run any RAM speed without a performance penalty?

I see that Igor ran 3200 and 4000, what if my sticks can do 3600, will I be able to use them at that without any drawback or do I have to match a system bus or something

Need to match the FCLK. 3600 should be ezpz, 3800 probably, 3866 maybe.

 

[amrnuke]

Isn't it exciting to what lengths some people go trying to vindicate AMD's new pricing:

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Yeah, the Ryzen 7 3700X which was introduced at $330 and now costs on average around $310 (and occasionally is being sold for as low as $250), has suddenly become $90 more expensive according to Linus Tech Tips (with over 12 million subscribers) - the channel has openly become very pro-AMD recently to the point where they criticize or/and underplay anything released by NVIDIA/Intel: "I'm DONE covering for NVIDIA - RTX 3070 Review".

And Linus conveniently forgot about the existence of 3600 which was introduced at $200 (and now can be have for less that $160). Yeah, "just a measly $50 price increase" when reality it's starts from 50%.

$160 vs $300. AMD does love fat margins!

This is a bad faith argument. You must compare MSRP, or else you need to come back and revise down the Zen3 prices later. Either way, the same result. On launch day, there's a $50 increase. A year after release, you could expect $50-$90 drops in 5800X prices as well.

The 5600X isn't the successor to the 3600, it's the successor to the 3600X or XT.

 

[yeshua]

This is a bad faith argument. You must compare MSRP, or else you need to come back and revise down the Zen3 prices later. Either way, the same result. On launch day, there's a $50 increase. A year after release, you could expect $50-$90 drops in 5800X prices as well.

What's bad faith about 3600 vs 5600X, i.e. $200 vs $300, i.e. $100 price increase?
What's bad faith about 3700X vs 5800X, i.e. $330 vs $450, i.e. $120 price increase?

Again, there are no 5600 or 5700X CPUs at the moment and these are direct comparisons.

Twisting logic, using facts selectively and applying double standards have become AMD fans favourite game.

 

[CakeMonster]

Need to match the FCLK. 3600 should be ezpz, 3800 probably, 3866 maybe.

Thanks. Is that a fixed frequency I can adjust, or does the FCLK vary with say the 5900X, 5950X?

 

[richierich1212]

Isn't it exciting to what lengths some people go trying to vindicate AMD's new pricing:

View attachment 33087

Yeah, the Ryzen 7 3700X which was introduced at $330 and now costs on average around $310 (and occasionally is being sold for as low as $250), has suddenly become $90 more expensive according to Linus Tech Tips (with over 12 million subscribers) - the channel has openly become very pro-AMD recently to the point where they criticize or/and underplay anything released by NVIDIA/Intel: "I'm DONE covering for NVIDIA - RTX 3070 Review".

And Linus conveniently forgot about the existence of 3600 which was introduced at $200 (and now can be have for less that $160). Yeah, "just a measly $50 price increase" when reality it's starts from 50%. Oh, and the Ryzen 5 3600X cost $250, not $300! AMD does love fat margins!

And is there something that bothers you if LTT is pro-AMD? What is wrong with Linus calling out Nvidia on their 3000-series cards?

You haven’t followed AMD’s pricing since COVID-19 has created a high demand for PC components and it shows. All across AMD’s Zen 2 lineup their prices have gone back near MSRP. You can’t buy the 3600 at $160 and it hasn’t been that price for several months now.

Just stop.

 

[zinfamous]

Everything as expected however I am not a fan that AMD has OC'ed their CPUs to the absolute limit this time around in order to beat Intel at 1080p by a few percent and by doing so worsened their thermals quite a lot. It would be nice to see all these CPUs with TDP being lowered by 5-20% - that could make them a lot more power efficient and colder.

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/images/cpu-temperature.png (75C under load FFS).

Also, and I know I've repeated it a dozen times already but I don't understand why AMD has the right (and not only that people somehow find a justification for that) to increase their prices so much. Intel used to release new substantially faster CPU architectures without doing this: Sandy Bridge, Haswell, Sky Lake were all a lot faster than previous generation CPUs without price hikes and in certain cases even cost substantially less than their predecessors, e.g. the Intel Core i5-2500K was released for $216 while the Intel Core i7-920 cost $305.

People keep saying that $50 is practically nothing, only AMD has decided to start the lineup with the 5600X which costs $300, vs the 3600 which costs $200. It's not a $50 price hike, it's a $100/50%(!) price hike. Intel would have been decimated by the internet mob if they had ever attempted to be sneaky like this. I don't give a damn about the X suffix because it doesn't change anything and it's just a marketing differentiation. There's no 5600 CPU for $250.

Lastly, AMD is playing a monopoly card and it's just ugly. They force people to buy the 5900X/5950X CPUs because both the 3600/3700X were the most popular models for the Ryzen 3000 series, while for this generation, the 5800X is the worst (!) investment in terms of the bang for the buck. Margins decide everything not only for Intel and NVIDIA, as AMD has happily joined the "we'll rip you off because we are the fastest" club. I'm quite appalled by all of this.

what a weird post.

AMD isn't forcing anyone to buy anything. AMD can price any and all of their products at whatever price they want to. There is no "right" to do it. What is this lunacy, lol?

 

[Hitman928]

What's bad faith about 3600 vs 5600X, i.e. $200 vs $300, i.e. $100 price increase?
What's bad faith about 3700X vs 5800X, i.e. $330 vs $450, i.e. $120 price increase?

Again, there are no 5600 or 5700X CPUs at the moment and these are direct comparisons.

Twisting logic, using facts selectively and applying double standards have become AMD fans favourite game.

It's not bad faith if you know that AMD won't be coming out with additional 6 and 8 core SKUs at lower prices, but that is extremely unlikely. It is extremely rare for a full lineup to be available on launch day. AMD is releasing the premier SKUs first and will release lower priced SKUs later. This is not an uncommon practice. I don't appreciate the $50 price increase either, but you are trying to make a mountain out of a grain of rice.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Wow that's one hell of a boost from previous gen. I haven't seen such leaps like that in years...decades actually. Since the 2000s.

Almost makes me want to upgrade my 3900x. Come on stimulus check!

 

[AtenRa]

4000 CL 16 yummy

 

[Gideon]

Well worth reading. I am still reading through arch deep dive, and boy it is fun!
Changes are massive! Load-store, addotional ports, new cache policy,prefechters, changes in instruction latencies and many more!!!
Absolutely fantastic job by AMD!
I will re- read article multiple times over weekend, so much to sink in.

I was the most surprised that it looks to be a significantly smaller core than Sunny Cove (in both die-size and core-width, reorder window, etc) yet it has better IPC in many workloads

 

[KompuKare]

Anyone see benches for Microsoft Flight Sim 2020? I think that's the most cpu limited game out there.

PCGH too:

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X und Ryzen 9 5900X im Test: Wie ein Phönix aus der Asche (Update)

Jetzt geht es ans Eingemachte: Wie schlagen sich die beiden Zen-3-Prozessoren in unserem Spiele- und Anwendungs-Parcours? Wir runden die Betrachtung mit Frametimes ab.

www.pcgameshardware.de

 

[UsandThem]

And is there something that bothers you if LTT is pro-AMD? What is wrong with Linus calling out Nvidia on their 3000-series cards?

You haven’t followed AMD’s pricing since COVID-19 has created a high demand for PC components and it shows. All across AMD’s Zen 2 lineup their prices have gone back near MSRP. You can’t buy the 3600 at $160 and it hasn’t been that price for several months now.

Just stop.

what a weird post.

AMD isn't forcing anyone to buy anything. AMD can price any and all of their products at whatever price they want to. There is no "right" to do it. What is this lunacy, lol?

It's not bad faith if you know that AMD won't be coming out with additional 6 and 8 core SKUs at lower prices, but that is extremely unlikely. It is extremely rare for a full lineup to be available on launch day. AMD is releasing the premier SKUs first and will release lower priced SKUs later. This is not an uncommon practice. I don't appreciate the $50 price increase either, but you are trying to make a mountain out of a grain of rice.

Looking at a user's posting history here often sheds light on "unique" viewpoints / statements.

 

[inf64]

@yeshua

Pray for RocketLake

 

[zinfamous]

What's bad faith about 3600 vs 5600X, ......[rest is pointless]

seriously? You can just stop right there, because your question answers itself.

 

[yeshua]

@yeshua

Pray for RocketLake

I have zero faith in RocketLake: 14nm, huge dies, insane power consumption. The earliest Intel can redeem themselves seems to be their new 7nm node CPUs at the end of 2022 (they seem to be unable to fix their 10nm node power consumption) but yeah, I'd love to have healthy competition in the x86 market which is now run by a single company while the other one keeps ripping the rewards of their ~14 years near monopoly (2004-2018).

I don't understand the excitement about the x86 market monopolization once again. It's already bad for customers. It's really great to see this topic without inane comments from AMD fans who have exactly zero to say and are cheering like children who have been given a new never tasted before candy.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

As GN Steve said, if you have the crown across the board, well, what are you going to do about it?

 

[yeshua]

As GN Steve said, if you have the crown across the board, well, what are you going to do about it?

Ha-ha-ha, start price gouging just like Intel/NVIDIA before?

 

[shiznit]

PCGH too:

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X und Ryzen 9 5900X im Test: Wie ein Phönix aus der Asche (Update)

Jetzt geht es ans Eingemachte: Wie schlagen sich die beiden Zen-3-Prozessoren in unserem Spiele- und Anwendungs-Parcours? Wir runden die Betrachtung mit Frametimes ab.

www.pcgameshardware.de

I don't see Flight Sim 2020. X-Plane is also heavy on the CPU and the results in the Phoronix review look outstanding:

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X/5950X Linux Gaming Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Ha-ha-ha, start price gouging just like Intel/NVIDIA before?

Kinda just the reality. It's not like the prices are that out of line with what we've become accustomed to paying. Definitive performance crown + covid hardware demand in-elasticity, what do you expect?

 

[inf64]

I don't see Flight Sim 2020. X-Plane is also heavy on the CPU and the results in the Phoronix review look outstanding:

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X/5950X Linux Gaming Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Gaming kings even on Linux! Fascinating stuff, to squeeze so much performance from the same process node is pure engineering masterpiece.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Ha-ha-ha, start price gouging just like Intel/NVIDIA before?

Notice how little people have complained about Intel/Nvidia pricing? "Gotta pay to play" etc. hardly a peep. Now AMD slightly increases prices and BLARGHHGGHGGGH how could AMD do that?!?!?!

My take: I will happily pay more for AMD in the short term and I hope AMD kicks Intel around for a few more years and builds up a gargantuan war chest of cash. If people don't agree or like the above, that's great then go out and buy Intel.

 

[therealmongo]

@yeshua

Pray for RocketLake

more like pray for yeshua

 

[randomhero]

I was the most surprised that it looks to be a significantly smaller core than Sunny Cove (in both die-size and core-width, reorder window, etc) yet it has better IPC in many workloads

Oh, yeah, good observation!
It seems like Intel is stuck;can't find better word for it.
Their arch is stuck in work harder part of the proverb, instead of work smarter.
Their cores are behemoths compared to AMD's and yet they appear to be wimps, paper tigers.

 

[kallisX]

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