if i'm in a 4v4 and there's more than one zerg on the other team, i almost always do a hellion attack at 7 min. chances are they make bane/lings and they get destroyed.
Oh man, killing 24 lings with one orangeflame hellion feels sooooo good
anyone else feel that zerglings, banelings and mutas are too imba?
been watching a few pro games and zerg have won almost all the matches with this combo. combine that with good macro and terran/toss don't stand a chance.
if i'm in a 4v4 and there's more than one zerg on the other team, i almost always do a hellion attack at 7 min. chances are they make bane/lings and they get destroyed.
anyone else feel that zerglings, banelings and mutas are too imba?
been watching a few pro games and zerg have won almost all the matches with this combo. combine that with good macro and terran/toss don't stand a chance.
hardly imbalanced. thors and marines own mutas. tanks own lings and banelings. etc etc.
I don't think so
Muta/ling/bling is good against terran, you are correct. But not to the point of being unbalanced...MarineKing beat it with just marines. A competant terran can beat it with marine/marauder/medivac and proper micro.
Furthermore, it sucks vs toss. Toss can easily beat that compination with their gateway units. They don't even have to tech up.
Hydra/roach are pretty much useless in ZvT and very underwhelming in ZvZ, so that is why most Z games are one with muta/ling. It doesn't make it imbalanced however. It is just one of the two core unit compositions zerg has.
The muta ling thing doesn't happen as often as you suggest. Lots of them end up being roach roach push. At least in my games, I tend to one base push with speedlings if he is FEing. as soon as i see banes, i pump roaches. seems to work
anyone else feel that zerglings, banelings and mutas are too imba?
been watching a few pro games and zerg have won almost all the matches with this combo. combine that with good macro and terran/toss don't stand a chance.
Roach pushes are easy to stop with any race (esp terran) so I don't see it that often and when I do, I am relieved. I can usually handle roaches with speedlngs.
Roaches are good against banelings though, and are useful in ZvZ midgame.
Against good Zergs, you absolutely need to keep pressuring them. If you let them to freely expand and macro up, you're screwed. If you can keep them to two base and you have two base, you will have the upper hand. Mutas will rape if reach a large number and if they had time to build that many, you didn't pressure enough.
hardly imbalanced. thors and marines own mutas. tanks own lings and banelings. etc etc.
no one is saying that terran will never win against zerg muta/ling, but the odds are heavily stacked against them.
That is the point of tanks. You CAN'T just attack into tanks, because they are so damn good. Many, many zerg players have lost entire armies of ling/bling to simply tank positions where terran had much less army resource in that area, simply because tanks are so great seiged. The pay off, of course, is lack of mobility. Terran has to consider positioning.tanks take too long to mobilize.
Thors aren't that common, but they do appear everyonce in a while. Hell, Nada OWNED a muta/ling/bling/infestor build using a primarily thor army. He even checked muta harass by properly positioning/microing his thors. :Othors, does anyone even go for those? sure they're a decent (at best) muta counter but mass lings will own them. plus they're expensive as hell.
The banelings will not catch up if they lack speed or are off creep. As far as lings, marines with stim own speedlings in high numbers. With simple half-step micro you can easily kill twice as many lings as well.stim, you can only run away for so long on limited time and the lings will catch you eventually. the pros do stim to run away and banelings still catch up eventually. you will see them split up their forces to minimize casualties and they still end up losing the majority of their units.
15 banelings cost 1125 minerals and 375, which is a lot. Also, only 15 banelings often wouldn't do the job if you have any sort of other defense there, which you should. It is more like 30 banelings, in which you have to double the cost. Plus, all that to simply take out a structure, leaving zerg with a crippled army. Saccing banelings to take out a PF, Orb, or CC should only be done if you are way ahead.PF gets destroyed by banelings because they do so much damage instantly. bunch up 15 banelings and it's like a nuclear launch. you can't repair it in time, and you can't repair it anyway since the scv's will die from AOE damage.
Uh....EVERY GOOD TERRAN repairs shit with scvs in the middle of battle. It is a basic terran tacticrepair, really? who is going to repair tanks/thors in the middle of a battle? you risk losing scv's from baneling AOE.
There are tons of pro replays with zergs who go muta/ling/bling getting crushed by terrans, so simply linking to two videos (one with MarineKing, who's marine heavy strategy is too well-known now to work well, not to mention that Kyrix is considered > MarineKing) doesn't mean much.just look at the replay of these top sc2 players and see how hard it is for terran to stop zerg.
http://www.youtube.com/user/HDstarcraft?blend=2&ob=1#p/u/21/kFkvyQaqJ44
http://www.youtube.com/user/HDstarcraft?blend=2&ob=1#p/u/32/E6cqfgQ6j34
no one is saying that terran will never win against zerg muta/ling, but the odds are heavily stacked against them.
tanks take too long to mobilize. thors, does anyone even go for those? sure they're a decent (at best) muta counter but mass lings will own them. plus they're expensive as hell.
stim, you can only run away for so long on limited time and the lings will catch you eventually. the pros do stim to run away and banelings still catch up eventually. you will see them split up their forces to minimize casualties and they still end up losing the majority of their units.
PF gets destroyed by banelings because they do so much damage instantly. bunch up 15 banelings and it's like a nuclear launch. you can't repair it in time, and you can't repair it anyway since the scv's will die from AOE damage.
repair, really? who is going to repair tanks/thors in the middle of a battle? you risk losing scv's from baneling AOE.
just look at the replay of these top sc2 players and see how hard it is for terran to stop zerg.
http://www.youtube.com/user/HDstarcraft?blend=2&ob=1#p/u/21/kFkvyQaqJ44
http://www.youtube.com/user/HDstarcraft?blend=2&ob=1#p/u/32/E6cqfgQ6j34
IMO, Terrans hold up well against the zergs.
Few strategies that you could use:
1) D first with siege and counter. Zergs will get destroyed once the siege has been favorably positioned
2) MMM + Seige near Z's base with bunkers and turrets, and expand fast.
The whole point is let the zerg hit you first. With SCV around the bunker with sieged tanks along with MMM, they have no chance of getting through.
so you plan on never attacking?
when they have 4 bases, 5-6 hatches, they can replenish their army faster than you can mobilize your terran army.
so you're just going to turtle your 2, maybe 3 bases while he mines out the rest of the map.
you can't even early harass them anymore because they nerfed reapers and bunkers. i never see reapers used anymore.
^ WTF.so you plan on never attacking?
when they have 4 bases, 5-6 hatches, they can replenish their army faster than you can mobilize your terran army.
so you're just going to turtle your 2, maybe 3 bases while he mines out the rest of the map.
you can't even early harass them anymore because they nerfed reapers and bunkers.
^ WTF.
Never heard of hellions? 4 marine 2 hellion push? Dual starport banshees? Cloak banshees? Hellion drops? Thorship? For that matter, various early bunker plays still work.