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SunnyD

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Well, I don't think many F2P mmos even let you get to the whole game to my knowledge. I don't actually have much experience with them though, but relative to the two I am fairly familiar with, Champions Online and Eden Eternal, SWTOR is far more accessible and/or fair to free players.

From what I remember, Champions Online didn't gate off content when they went F2P. What they did was basically screwed every single non-subscriber because pretty much every character was a custom build therefore you had to "convert" the character to a standard template (thereby basically totally hosing your character) in order to use it or just plain start over.

Still, as I said... if you want to play SWTOR as a single player or casual (maybe multiplayer) experience, it might work out. The UI thing is still completely baffling though. A horrible design decision no matter what.
 

s44

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Heh, people are talking here again?

The story has some small callouts to KOTOR2. But honestly it's nothing you really have to spend the time playing that game for.
 

CVSiN

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I played a healing sorc and tank powertech extensively, for the most part every active ability was kept in my bottom two bars on both of them. Left bar did have some mouse binds, but for the most part my left and right bars were mostly trinkets or click abilities. Quick travel, mount, fleet pass, the "PVE" skills, etc. Two bars will limit you somewhat, but certainly will be playable.

True, you'll be limited to one craft or gathering profession but this isn't isn't a game where crafting is a big deal either, it's a fairly simple system. With the exception of Slicing just after release or Biochem pre-nerf there's never been anything particularly alluring about it. Even moreso now that you can simply attach augment kits to any armor for an extra slot, so being able to crit craft your own gear is pretty much inconsequential.

Even with crew access limited maxxing your crafting (given the resources) still wouldn't take more than an evening really. Two/three at the very most if you're even somewhat attentive.

Haven't seen the AH in months, but 200k is enough for the basics and it doesn't prevent you earning more since it all flows into an escrow account. While it would limit you to items worth 200k or less individually, that still gives you access to a ton of stuff. Not the best of the best of course, but I think you could probably outfit yourself in blues easily enough. How easy/how often you can draw from the escrow balance could be a bottleneck however.

If simply 'rolling' instead of winning a roll consumes one of your five, that would suck. However you're also limited to three flashpoints and one ops in that same period, which when taken together isn't too bad. That should average out to slightly more than one win per instance. Maybe 1 per FP and 2 per OP. Not a bad return.

I think it's important to remember these limitations do not exist in a 'vacuum', but all together and in that sense they're fairly practical. So while five rolls sounds bad, you're only going to be using them in four instances. 200k credits sounds low, but you probably won't be spending them on crafting materials or purple gear anyway. Limited commendations mostly only limits you from buying gear you can't equip anyway, etc etc.

Sounds like you haven't been back to the game in quite a while.. the economy is trashed.. even low level Orange pieces can cost up to 500K+
1 million in this game is not alot of credits at all.n fact that is where I would have put the cap as anything lower and most everything is unobtainable.

BH Im using 2 full bottom bars and both the other bard for skills and utility.. my L50 marauder is even worse.
not 1 space open.

and yes the roll is a roll not a win apparently from the testers.
so 1 run you most likely wont be able to roll on everything.

and then not being able to trade if for some reason the item should have gone elsewhere.. you are screwed.


"3 Loot rolls per week (displayed at the bottom of the group finder).
This is currently a bit buggy as it doesn’t seem to update after every roll. Regardless, with two players, we both reached our weekly loot limit before we even finished normal mode Black Talon on the PTS (I only got 2 items). Once all 3 loot rolls are used up, you will be automatically skipped in the next loot distribution.
If you pass on the loot, it doesn’t appear to trigger the count."
 
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Ns1

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read the last page of this thread and now I know I have zero interest in returning.


Anyone wanna buy my CE disks + case + key fob? lol
 

SunnyD

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I wonder how many people would pay $5/month to play? FTP is a gimmick and $15/month is too much.

Actually, I've wondered this for ALL MMO's. $15/month is simply too much in general for ANY MMO at this point. I can see $7.99 maybe for a premium title. $5/mo + various microtransactions like they do now would open up a quite large variety for me to play without remorse.
 

Mem

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Actually, I've wondered this for ALL MMO's. $15/month is simply too much in general for ANY MMO at this point. I can see $7.99 maybe for a premium title. $5/mo + various microtransactions like they do now would open up a quite large variety for me to play without remorse.

The last proper paid sub I paid was SWG and WoW,however TOR I left after a month or so after launch,will probably give it another try tonight and see whats changed and also how bad the freebie version is,however not going to sub,plenty of good free MMORPGs out there,probably why cash shop ones are more popular ,up to the gamer if he wants to buy cash shop items or not.
 

Nintendesert

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I'm hoping that the MMO market just crashes and burns at this point. Just too much crap out there and way too many companies trying to cash in on IPs that have no business being an MMO.

TOR was fun and was okay, it just didn't have something to keep me hooked long term. The only good thing I am seeing out of the MMO world is a slight push back to sandbox models, the draw of MMOs to me initially with UO was the living world you were apart of, not visiting disney land.
 

SunnyD

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The last proper paid sub I paid was SWG and WoW,however TOR I left after a month or so after launch,will probably give it another try tonight and see whats changed and also how bad the freebie version is,however not going to sub,plenty of good free MMORPGs out there,probably why cash shop ones are more popular ,up to the gamer if he wants to buy cash shop items or not.

Honestly, same. SWTOR is the last subscription-based game I've played. I do make a distinction though, because I've been fortunate and have not actually PAID a subscription for a game in a couple years. I refuse to. I'm lucky enough to have a friend who is usually interested enough in a title and ponies up for a sub for me just so he doesn't have to play alone. (Ironically, he usually ends up quitting the game within a month leaving me to play alone for the remainder of whatever sub was purchased).

Still, there hasn't really been any game lately worth paying for. And honestly, most of the newer games coming out, even MMO-style, have been coming out as F2P options (Planetside 2), and all my previous favorites have gone F2P (without nearly as many craptastic restrictions). So I'm a happy camper.
 

CVSiN

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We appreciate your support of Star Wars™: The Old Republic™. As a thank you for your loyalty to The Old Republic™, we have granted you 100.

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100? I thought this was supposed to be 250 in addition to all the other coins we got from subbing..

I don't have my keyfob at work to log in and check.. but I should have a TON of coins.
 

AMDZen

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The last proper paid sub I paid was SWG and WoW,however TOR I left after a month or so after launch,will probably give it another try tonight and see whats changed and also how bad the freebie version is,however not going to sub,plenty of good free MMORPGs out there,probably why cash shop ones are more popular ,up to the gamer if he wants to buy cash shop items or not.

What would you say are good free ones? The only ones I've tried were terrible
 

darkewaffle

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2)and all my previous favorites have gone F2P (without nearly as many craptastic restrictions)

Like what? I'm still having trouble finding any "free" game that's more playable than SWTOR's proposed changes. It gives you almost everything, just in limited amounts rather than cutting it off entirely. The only really solid one I can think of is GW2 but that has the advantage of both experience (GW1) and planning in terms of building f2p, but also uses a different revenue model (up front cost, relatively frequent paid expansions planned).

That said I do think a reduced sub cost could strike a happy medium between F2P and subscription games. I remember way back playing Ragnarok Online for like 8.99 (maybe 9.99) per month but it seems like ever since FFXI they've slowly crept up, hovering between 12-15. If a game could get a sub cost down to like a flat $5 (or less) I think they'd find a lot more people maintaining subscriptions even without playing just because at that point you're getting into that "oh its only $5"/"impulse" type buying range.
 
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SunnyD

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Like what? I'm still having trouble finding any "free" game that's more playable than SWTOR's proposed changes. It gives you almost everything, just in limited amounts rather than cutting it off entirely. The only really solid one I can think of is GW2 but that has the advantage of both experience (GW1) and planning in terms of building f2p, but also uses a different revenue model (up front cost, relatively frequent paid expansions planned).

If you want a transitional title done right, look no further than LOTRO. I'm not playing it anymore based on a customer service related issue, but it's actually one of the few games that will actually let you unlock most of the content in the game through gameplay without paying a dime. I've played both sides, subscription and free, and transitionally it was very complete.

Star Trek Online is also fairly full featured since its transition to F2P. I haven't seen many limitations to the game having been both a subscriber and a F2P player on either end.

It's been a while since I've played others at this point, but those are the two that stick in my mind.
 

KeithTalent

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wasnt it supposed to be 250?

No idea to be honest, I've not really been paying attention. There was an e-mail from them about nine days ago that said I received some cartel coins, but it did not give me a number. :hmm:

KT
 

Mem

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What would you say are good free ones? The only ones I've tried were terrible

We all have different preferences and opinions,Planetside 2 goes live and free nextweek,LOTRO,Runes of Magic,Aion,EQ2,Vanguard etc...plenty out there if you can take the time to research and try them.

I have not tried Firefall yet which is still beta.
 
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darkewaffle

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wasnt it supposed to be 250?

It depends, you can get free cartel coins for numerous different things. Certain subscription months are worth 200 each, certain ones are worth 250 each, CE is worth 1000 I think, Digital Deluxe is worth 200 or something. I'm guessing that's not the 'whole' reward, just part of it that you happened to get some sort of notice for.
 

CVSiN

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yeh I think I got all those. I just remember reading we would get another 250 on day of launch of FTP.

oh well check it at lunch if the servers are back up.
 

zinfamous

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If you want a transitional title done right, look no further than LOTRO. I'm not playing it anymore based on a customer service related issue, but it's actually one of the few games that will actually let you unlock most of the content in the game through gameplay without paying a dime. I've played both sides, subscription and free, and transitionally it was very complete.

I don't know. I only played that when it went F2P, just to have something to kill time with. I played for about 2 weeks, and to unlock these things in-game--it involves, simply, a lot of time (days that get you free tokens for unlock).

the things that are locked out for noobs:

bags
skill slots
skill trees
character classes (the one that I wanted to play)

I got about 2 days into this before I felt restricted, so I just gave up once that realization finally sank in.

You can't unlock those things "for free" without a substantial time investment, and those things seriously hinder your ability to progress. Not that I don't blame them, mind you--you could spend maybe $15 bucks to get all of that unlocked and that is certainly no reason to bitch for so much content--but well, cheap bastard that I am.
 

AMDZen

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We all have different preferences and opinions,Planetside 2 goes live and free nextweek,LOTRO,Runes of Magic,Aion,EQ2,Vanguard etc...plenty out there if you can take the time to research and try them.

I have not tried Firefall yet which is still beta.

Which one would you recommend for someone who likes SWTOR but not EQ. Aion looks intriguing because I like the skimpy outfits
 

CVSiN

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Which one would you recommend for someone who likes SWTOR but not EQ. Aion looks intriguing because I like the skimpy outfits

nothing out there is like SWTOR.. I really liked it a a lot.
Sure wish things were going better for it.. it really did have some great ideas.
 

darkewaffle

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I felt a fair bit of SWTOR in GW2. The stories in SWTOR are much better but the fact that any sort of personal line exists at all in GW I think has a lot to do with SWTOR's influence, and the pacing/structure of them is somewhat reminiscent as well though they're much more spread out in GW. I'm not aware of any other MMOs that have really incorporated that yet, so if that's what you're looking for your options are limited I think.
 
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