OFFICIAL STAR WARS THREAD

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: spiderrasmon

Originally posted by: ITJunkie

Exactly. If you remember Watto sold her to Owen's father who then freed and married Shmi. So i wouldn't say that it is his father or step father since Anakin was born by other means. But he is the closest relative he has. Tk149 does bring up a good point. In ~23 years Vader doesn't decide "Hmmm maybe he is with my half brother".

But if you remember at the end in Padme's funeral procession, they make her look like she is still pregnant. Maybe to throw the emperor and vader off....hmmmm? Kids die with her kind of thing?

pregnant women usu. keep the belly a little while after giving birth, so it would make sense she still had a bulge in the tummy....

dubma$$

its spelled dumba$$

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl

Originally posted by: computeerrgghh
Anybody suggest any SW related books to read. I might be on a ~20 hour flight and figure reading would be a nice way to spend some of the time.

Timothy Zhan's Thrawn Trilogy
Tales From Jabba's Palace
Tales of the Bounty Hunters

anything Timothy Zhan's

the man rocks as a SW writer

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: DocHolliday

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

they darkside cave is explained by zahn in vision of the future

Zahn...isn't that the guy who came up with the brilliant plot of friggin iguanas that can work as force barriers?

I don't really care for extended universe novelization...if it ain't in the movies, then it didn't happen!!!

expanded universe > episode 1-3 multiplied by eleventy beelion

LOL


true
very true

 

[jonjonsanfru]

Don't want to read 400+ posts, my 2c:

Jar Jar Binks gets 2 seconds of air time... thats pretty much sums up the movie. George Lucas saying, "Fine, i'm gonna take out the crappy stuff you guys hate... just get thru the story, give you a decent vader change scene... no innovation, I stink and now i wash my hands of the series."

Horrible flat acting, Liam Neison/Ewan Mcgregor only actors who make a good showing throughout 1-3. Limited scope, it never felt grand... just a series of short clips, like they just ported their storyboard straight to film. But that at least saved me from watching long drawn out horribly acted scenes.

Palpatines Butt Forehead... instantly thought of the boobs on Dracula's head... le sigh, good thing i enjoy reading.

Edit: Oh yeah... hmmm George, i can't say for sure... but there seems to be some latent political message, perhaps you should have been MORE blatant?

 

[SirPappy]

Originally posted by: jonjonsanfru
Don't want to read 400+ posts, my 2c:

Jar Jar Binks gets 2 seconds of air time... thats pretty much sums up the movie. George Lucas saying, "Fine, i'm gonna take out the crappy stuff you guys hate... just get thru the story, give you a decent vader change scene... no innovation, I stink and now i wash my hands of the series."

Horrible flat acting, Liam Neison/Ewan Mcgregor only actors who make a good showing throughout 1-3. Limited scope, it never felt grand... just a series of short clips, like they just ported their storyboard straight to film. But that at least saved me from watching long drawn out horribly acted scenes.

Palpatines Butt Forehead... instantly thought of the boobs on Dracula's head... le sigh, good thing i enjoy reading.

Edit: Oh yeah... hmmm George, i can't say for sure... but there seems to be some latent political message, perhaps you should have been MORE blatant?

I'm a huge SW fan, but I have to agree. eps 1,2 and 3 were a totol let down.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
It is called Vaapad, and it is not a lost saber technique. Mace Windu invented it and is the only person able to use it.

It is used by using all his anger and hatred and turning that into energy for the use of good. That is why not many people can use it because it is so close to the darkside.

Correct, and according to Lucas himself, Mace had Sidious beaten before Anakin stepped in.
The book indicated that, too.
Sidious' Force attacks were doing no harm to Mace....he was using Vaapad and became merely a conductor for the lightning to pass through on its way back to Sidious.

Sidious made the mistake of trying to toy with Mace while attempting to bring Anakin in on his side, but in the end, Mace was kicking his ass.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: LordMaulWell, first off, how can you really get any suspense out of something that you know everything about? You KNOW neither can die, you knew that going into it, so given that, I think Lucas did an impressive job with what he had to work with.

Also...remember, its fantasy. If he made them think of everything, imagine how it could be...for instance:
Why does Vader even need to look like that? After his burns healed, couldn't he have just worn a mask for breathing?

Vader has nothing left of his body except the head and part of the torso. He doesn't even have lungs. He is essentially a brain and a heart.....the machine does everything else for him.

 

[spiderrasmon]

Originally posted by: yokomo
any one see this?http://www.big-boys.com/articles/galaxies1.html

LMAO!!!


:beer:

 

[Pacfanweb]

I wonder if Mace Windu's lightsaber has "Bad Motherfvcker" engraved on it????

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I wonder if Mace Windu's lightsaber has "Bad Motherfvcker" engraved on it????

Wow, repost like 5 posts down, weird

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: LordMaulWell, first off, how can you really get any suspense out of something that you know everything about? You KNOW neither can die, you knew that going into it, so given that, I think Lucas did an impressive job with what he had to work with.

Also...remember, its fantasy. If he made them think of everything, imagine how it could be...for instance:
Why does Vader even need to look like that? After his burns healed, couldn't he have just worn a mask for breathing?

Vader has nothing left of his body except the head and part of the torso. He doesn't even have lungs. He is essentially a brain and a heart.....the machine does everything else for him.

He is missing:

Right and left legs from the knee down
right and left arms from the elbow down

And that's really it. Sure, there was a lot of tissue damage, and yeah, his lungs were not working properly (how could he have survived as long as he did without any oxygen before being mechanized, unless his lungs worked at least partially?), but see these pics below:
Pic 1
Pic 2

Obviously, there's a lot more than just a brain and heart left of him that's still working. If there wasn't, they wouldn't bolt artificial legs and arms to dead tissue.

Always looking for a good SW discussion.

 

[2cpuminimum]

1. If you thought his switch to the dark side was sudden, then watch tpm and AotC again and this time pay attention.
"The boy is dangerous, they all sense it why can't you?" and "I sense much fear in you. " "Fear is the path to the dark side"
from TPM; establishing that he was already on his way to the dark side as jake loyd.
In AotC, he slaughters women and children, also offscreen. He gives in to the dark side when his mother dies, he just doesn't tell the other Jedi. "I'm going to become the most powerful Jedi ever"- so by the time we get to rots he has already killed innocent kids and decided that he wants power more than anything, so the killing of younglings in rots is nothing new. He didn't turn to the dark side for Padme, he did it for his mother.

2. As for the political aspects of the new trilogy, the giving up of democracy/representative government for a dictatorship is a recurring theme in history, and has happened countless times too numerous to list. The most famous right now would probably be the roman empire and germany ceding power to hitler, with the US recently beginning a journey in that direction, only it seems as if it may be corporations that are seizing control rather than any one power hungry individual or political party. This was predicted long ago in Alien, that Weyland-Yutani would control everything. As for which corporations will end up owning everything in reality, "difficult to say; always in motion is the future." Are there even any truly democratic governments left in the modern world?

3. The dialogue might not have been brilliant but a lot of it was realistic, and I thought Anakin's foot in mouth moment where they're arguing about who loves who more made the characters and relationships more believable (though not less sappy).
SPOILERS



4. I thought it was awesome when JAR JAR was revealed as the identity of Darth Sideus, and Anakin's father. All that misdirection to make people think palpatine was a Sith, when really it was Binks all along. So all the people wishing they could see binks die had already gotten their wish in rotj.

 

[Aftermath]

Originally posted by: 2cpuminimum
1. If you thought his switch to the dark side was sudden, then watch tpm and AotC again and this time pay attention.
"The boy is dangerous, they all sense it why can't you?" and "I sense much fear in you. " "Fear is the path to the dark side"
from TPM; establishing that he was already on his way to the dark side as jake loyd.
In AotC, he slaughters women and children, also offscreen. He gives in to the dark side when his mother dies, he just doesn't tell the other Jedi. "I'm going to become the most powerful Jedi ever"- so by the time we get to rots he has already killed innocent kids and decided that he wants power more than anything, so the killing of younglings in rots is nothing new. He didn't turn to the dark side for Padme, he did it for his mother.

**SPOILERS**

I agree completely. I didn't think his fall to the dark side was very sudden at all. ?If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.? I would definately agree that he started down the dark path no later than when he went on a murderous rampage for vengance through that camp after his mother died.

Everyone on the Jedi Council knew how dangerous Anakin was, but I got the impression that they all tried to overlook the minor indulgances in the dark side that he was showing off because they all believed that he was the "chosen one." It got to the point that they were questioning the interpreted meaning of the prophecy. And there was plenty of stuff that the Jedi Council was un aware of. The slaughter of the Sand People, his love for and marriage to Amidala, his rage filled killing of Asajj on Yavin 4 (in Clone Wars), the beheading of Dukoo.. He never really seemed to be a Jedi Knight in practice at all, only in title and training. Once he sort of saved Emperor Palpatine and helped kill Mace Windu, his fall was complete. Just in that moment it seemed like it finally clicked in his head that he is NOT a Jedi and has never really been, he has always been Sith. Besides, he was already angry with the council for not making him a Jedi Master, Obi-Wan for holding him back, and baited by Palpatine and his offer of great power through the dark side. Enough to save his beloved Padme.


My $.02 anyway.

 

[RichUK]

i just want to pitch in ... and say that i have seen all of the star wars and loved them all.. just i thought there would be more from last one ... revenge of the sith .. oh well good story

 

[cain]

Originally posted by: MattCo

Originally posted by: cain

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

another continuity question. In TESB, while luke is leaving dagobah to go to cloud city to save han and leia, obi-wan says that boy is our last hope. But yoda counters by saying there is another. Did they cut the scene where Obi-wan says "oh sh!t, I forgot about her."?

I haven't figured out this small continuity slippage...also, when Luke travels to Dagobah for the first time, he mentions to R2 that there is something familiar about it...I always assumed that the twins were born on Dagobah.

They also did not establish how Yoda ended up on Dagobah and why that cave on Dagobah was strong in the dark side.

they darkside cave is explained by zahn in vision of the future

cliffs of the explanation?

some dark jedi from bfassi escaped to dagobah, lived near the cave, yoda killed him

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: LordMaul

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: LordMaulWell, first off, how can you really get any suspense out of something that you know everything about? You KNOW neither can die, you knew that going into it, so given that, I think Lucas did an impressive job with what he had to work with.

Also...remember, its fantasy. If he made them think of everything, imagine how it could be...for instance:
Why does Vader even need to look like that? After his burns healed, couldn't he have just worn a mask for breathing?

Vader has nothing left of his body except the head and part of the torso. He doesn't even have lungs. He is essentially a brain and a heart.....the machine does everything else for him.

He is missing:

Right and left legs from the knee down
right and left arms from the elbow down

And that's really it. Sure, there was a lot of tissue damage, and yeah, his lungs were not working properly (how could he have survived as long as he did without any oxygen before being mechanized, unless his lungs worked at least partially?), but see these pics below:
Pic 1
Pic 2

Obviously, there's a lot more than just a brain and heart left of him that's still working. If there wasn't, they wouldn't bolt artificial legs and arms to dead tissue.

Always looking for a good SW discussion.

I was going off what the book said. It said he didn't have lungs.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: sheik124

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I wonder if Mace Windu's lightsaber has "Bad Motherfvcker" engraved on it????

Wow, repost like 5 posts down, weird

At least I got it right. The other one (and I didn't read the whole thread) said "bad ass m-f'er".
Nit-picky, but still wrong.

 

[Wingznut]

To those who nitpick every single detail... Do you do this with EVERY movie? If so, how can you enjoy any of them?

Of course there are inconsistancies. It's not real.

 

[jonjonsanfru]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
To those who nitpick every single detail... Do you do this with EVERY movie? If so, how can you enjoy any of them?

Of course there are inconsistancies. It's not real.

A good movie allows suspension of disbelief, thereby allowing you to overlook its faults. And I thought this thread was about SW3, not commentary on how you enjoy movies more than other people because you are so superior ;p

And to keep this post on topic, In the opening fight scene... i want dog fighting and torpedo runs, why waste time on the "buzzy things" when it didn't even affect anything in the movie... just reiterating for the bazillionth time that Anakin is the l337 driver, another sigh moment.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: jonjonsanfru

Originally posted by: Wingznut
To those who nitpick every single detail... Do you do this with EVERY movie? If so, how can you enjoy any of them?

Of course there are inconsistancies. It's not real.

A good movie allows suspension of disbelief, thereby allowing you to overlook its faults. And I thought this thread was about SW3, not commentary on how you enjoy movies more than other people because you are so superior ;p

And to keep this post on topic, In the opening fight scene... i want dog fighting and torpedo runs, why waste time on the "buzzy things" when it didn't even affect anything in the movie... just reiterating for the bazillionth time that Anakin is the l337 driver, another sigh moment.

I think a lot of people went into SW3 looking for every little inconsistancy they can find. I'll bet that if one were to look at ANY movie with such a fine tooth comb, they'd find just as many.

 

[Velk]

Originally posted by: Aftermath

Originally posted by: 2cpuminimum
1. If you thought his switch to the dark side was sudden, then watch tpm and AotC again and this time pay attention.
"The boy is dangerous, they all sense it why can't you?" and "I sense much fear in you. " "Fear is the path to the dark side"
from TPM; establishing that he was already on his way to the dark side as jake loyd.
In AotC, he slaughters women and children, also offscreen. He gives in to the dark side when his mother dies, he just doesn't tell the other Jedi. "I'm going to become the most powerful Jedi ever"- so by the time we get to rots he has already killed innocent kids and decided that he wants power more than anything, so the killing of younglings in rots is nothing new. He didn't turn to the dark side for Padme, he did it for his mother.

**SPOILERS**

I agree completely. I didn't think his fall to the dark side was very sudden at all. ?If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.? I would definately agree that he started down the dark path no later than when he went on a murderous rampage for vengance through that camp after his mother died.

Figure it this way. Anaking is an egotistic, arrogant, know-it-all teenager who has serious problems with authority. Not 10 seconds after turning to the darkside, he is on the floor on his knees practically licking Palpatine's boots and grovelling 'Yes Master !'

At one point he is sitting on the fence so much that he flip flops to the Jedi and turns Palpatine in. Not three minutes later he merrily wanders off to make toddler sushsi at Paplatine's slight suggestion, without hesistating, pausing, questioning or complaining once.

It's an abrupt total break of character on every level. It's not like there couldn't be plenty of reasons for that ( say giving in to Palp lets him take over his mind or relaxing your guard to the dark side lets it totally consume you - etc etc ) but it was certainly pretty jarring. One second arrogant, bad tempered, obnoxious, but generally ok, the next second sycophantic remorseless psycho.

 

[CrimsonChaos]

Originally posted by: jonjonsanfru
A good movie allows suspension of disbelief, thereby allowing you to overlook its faults. And I thought this thread was about SW3, not commentary on how you enjoy movies more than other people because you are so superior ;p

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: Velk
At one point he is sitting on the fence so much that he flip flops to the Jedi and turns Palpatine in. Not three minutes later he merrily wanders off to make toddler sushsi at Paplatine's slight suggestion, without hesistating, pausing, questioning or complaining once.

It's an abrupt total break of character on every level.

:thumbsup: :beer:

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: jonjonsanfru

Originally posted by: Wingznut
To those who nitpick every single detail... Do you do this with EVERY movie? If so, how can you enjoy any of them?

Of course there are inconsistancies. It's not real.

A good movie allows suspension of disbelief, thereby allowing you to overlook its faults. And I thought this thread was about SW3, not commentary on how you enjoy movies more than other people because you are so superior ;p

And to keep this post on topic, In the opening fight scene... i want dog fighting and torpedo runs, why waste time on the "buzzy things" when it didn't even affect anything in the movie... just reiterating for the bazillionth time that Anakin is the l337 driver, another sigh moment.

I think a lot of people went into SW3 looking for every little inconsistancy they can find. I'll bet that if one were to look at ANY movie with such a fine tooth comb, they'd find just as many.

Well that's because people expect alot better than that from Lucas.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: jonjonsanfru

Originally posted by: Wingznut
To those who nitpick every single detail... Do you do this with EVERY movie? If so, how can you enjoy any of them?

Of course there are inconsistancies. It's not real.

A good movie allows suspension of disbelief, thereby allowing you to overlook its faults. And I thought this thread was about SW3, not commentary on how you enjoy movies more than other people because you are so superior ;p

And to keep this post on topic, In the opening fight scene... i want dog fighting and torpedo runs, why waste time on the "buzzy things" when it didn't even affect anything in the movie... just reiterating for the bazillionth time that Anakin is the l337 driver, another sigh moment.

I think a lot of people went into SW3 looking for every little inconsistancy they can find. I'll bet that if one were to look at ANY movie with such a fine tooth comb, they'd find just as many.

Well that's because people expect alot better than that from Lucas.

Yeah, but why??? If you were to take a look at any other Lucas film that closely, you could come up with many of the same issues. I could easily make the argument that there were way more problems with Episode IV-VI.

I don't know... It just seems that stories are much more enjoyable if you allow them to be, instead of searching for reasons why they aren't.

 

[jonjonsanfru]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Yeah, but why??? If you were to take a look at any other Lucas film that closely, you could come up with many of the same issues. I could easily make the argument that there were way more problems with Episode IV-VI.

I don't know... It just seems that stories are much more enjoyable if you allow them to be, instead of searching for reasons why they aren't.

-Because-

Originally posted by: jonjonsanfru
A good movie allows suspension of disbelief, thereby allowing you to overlook its faults.