OFFICIAL STAR WARS THREAD

[SaltBoy]

I thought the movie was absolutely fantastic!


***SPOILERS***

Okay, the dialog between Anakin and Padme WAS horrible, and Lucas will have to get rid of the "NOOOO!" line at the end. Also, why was Anakin needed by the council to spy on Palpatine when it appears that the Jedi Council could have used the cameras to figure out what Palpatine was up to? I mean, they saw Anakin pledging his loyalty to Palpatine in his office! General Grevious wasn't the Grevious of Clone Wars, but I think I liked the cowardlyness of this Grevious. When he was coughing, I was greatly disturbed, but then I realized during the fight with Obi-Wan that he was a cyborg, not a droid.

Of course, everything else was fantastic. I really felt bad for Anakin; he was trying to do what he thought was right, but the only person who seemed to really care about him was Palpatine. Aside from Obi-Wan, the Jedi did not seem like a fraternity that I would want to join. Even Yoda made mistakes and gave Anakin the answers he wasn't really looking for, like a minister saying that somebody dies because "it's God's will." Yes, it was cold that he killed the younglings, but he was only obeying Palpatine's will in doing so.

I can't wait for the deleted scenes. I understood Mon Mothma was to be in the movie, but she wasn't. Also, Keisha Castle Hughes (The Queen of Naboo) was on screen for only two seconds - I thought she would've had a bigger part.

Anyway, this gets a very solid 8 out of 10 from me.

 

[Siddhartha]

I just saw it. And it followed the same theme or structure as the other five movies. They all have been visually amazing. But the leakest links in all the movies have been the acting and dialogue.

I have questioned Lucas' decision about Anakin being the "chosen one" and Darth Vader. But I am beginniing to think that Lucas has given the hero story a new twist.

I did put my fingers in my ears during the Anakin Padme scenes. Lucas really needs help with dialogue.

Overall, I give the movie a three and a half out of four.

I hope he keeps making Star Wars movies.

 

[Taggart]

Heh, Ep3 is already #130 of all time on IMDB

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well for some reason Obi Wan and Boga (the Creature) were essentially made for each other. The worked together extremely well. You are correct. However i would venture to believe that Obi could sense through the force that something was coming, but ya know there is only so much he can do. He has this giant turbolaser blast coming at him. Boga simply felt it coming i guess and flipped and took the entire shot.

Makes sense. I like how Dooku was owned by Palpatine in the book. The movie didn't really play that part out well enough. It went too fast and you couldn't really tell what was going through Dooku's mind.

 

[tk149]

***SPOILERS****

Aunt Beru is the HAWTNESS! So did Luke have an Oedipal Complex growing up?

Anakin's conversion to the darkside felt too abrupt and too contrived.

Padme dying of nothing? WTF?

If they wanted to kill Palpatine, they should have just poisoned him.

At least we didn't hear the word "midichlorians" anywhere!

RE: dialogue between Anakin and Padme - Yeah, it sucked, but if you taped a conversation between two newlyweds in real life, you'd get the same crap.

I still don't understand:

1. Who's Anakin's father? What kind of virgin birth BS is this?

2. Yoda told Kenobi to "take him [Luke] to his family." NOT Kenobi's family, which implies that Uncle Owen is a blood relative of Anakin's. Where the hell was he when Anakin's mother was a slave? And you'd think that Vader, sometime in the next TWENTY years, would check up on his blood relatives...

3. Yoda told Luke to only use the Force for defense, NEVER for attack. Yoda sure as heck didn't only use defensive moves in this movie.

Why oh why is Jar Jar still alive!

 

Originally posted by: tk149
***SPOILERS****

At least we didn't hear the word "midichlorians" anywhere!

Yeah you did, the Darth Plagues (or whatever) story had them in it.

1) The Force made Anakin. Lucas originally wanted it to be that Palpatine manipulated the midichlorians to make him but it was dropped. He was created by the Force to bring balance.

2) Owen is Anakin's half brother. He is Lars and Anakin's mom's son.

Lucas originally wanted Jar Jar to go to Alderan where he would die. I guess putting that point in would involve more screen time

 

[SmackdownHotel]

Good solid movie, and I agree with others about the weak points in the movie.

- Anakin's fall to the dark side was too fast and not very believable. The premise behind it (him being a "flawed" Jedi, having feelings of love and greed for more power allowing him to be more suspectible to Palpatine's manipulations) was VERY solid. I like how he tried to first convince Windu to spare Palpatine's life and then he snapped and attacked him. But after that he started to show a little remorse and then all of a sudden was already bowing to Palpatine and calling him master. Too rushed.

- The scene where Vader steps off the operating bed for the first time and walks around like some clumsy Frankenstein is dumb. The "noooooooo" scream was also pointless. It was especially disappointing because it followed a very intense/emotional battle scene as well as the graphic scenes of a charred/disfigured Anakin being rescued by the Imperial doctors.

- Closing scene was perfect.

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: tk149


Lucas originally wanted Jar Jar to go to Alderan where he would die. I guess putting that point in would involve more screen time

Violent and painful I hope? Man that would have been so awesome

 

[CrimsonChaos]

*** WARNING: SOME SPOILERS ***

I'm sure all of this has been said before. But I'll offer my observations anyway. I saw the movie yesterday -- overall I'd say it's better than I and II, but still not better than Empire Strikes Back. Here are my impressions:

[ THUMBS UP ]
- Great special effects.

- More connection with the characters than in Episodes I and II. You may actually feel emotional over some parts of the movie.

- Ties the entire story together (though sometimes a little too much).

- Palpatine was acted almost perfectly!

- Padme is cute.

- Some good light sabre fights!

- "Order 66" was pretty cool.

- No Jar Jar dialogue!

- Anakin's struggle between the Jedi Council and the Dark Side is done pretty well, except his final conversion (see below).

- General Grievous wielding 4 light sabres!

- You learned that Anakin has no father in Episode I -- this movie explains why.


[ THUMBS DOWN ]

- Tarzan noise coming from the Wookie's as they swing on a vine -- hopefully this was just for humor.

- Palpatine too easily dismembers three Jedi Knights before his battle with Mace Windu. They WERE Jedi Knights, weren't they?

- Obi-Wan gets his arse beat by Count Dooku TWICE while teamed up with Anakin, but is able to make short work of the 4-light-saber wielding General Grievous all by himself?

- Obi-Wan gets his arse beat by Count Dooku TWICE while teamed up with Anakin, then Anakin is able to beat Count Dooku fighting solo, and then Obi-Wan defeats Anakin. That doesn't make any logical sense.

- Not enough Darth Vader, and his only dialogue is "What happened to Padme", then "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!". Not quite the Vader you learned to love in Episodes IV-VI.

- Anakin's conversion to the Dark Side was extremely rushed and NOT convincing.

- Yoda's dialect was grossly overdone. Watch the original series, his sentences aren't THAT mangled up.

- Obi-Wan riding around on that lizard thing was just ridiculous.

- Obi-Wan isn't "aged" enough in this movie. He needs to be around 50 or so if he's going to be the old man you see in "A New Hope" -- Luke ages from a newborn to about 20 years old.

- Wish they had aged Anakin a little more too, plus made him more sophisticated and more mature.

- Padme had her hair in "buns" like Princess Leia, but why wasn't she dressed in the golden bikini!

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: SaltBoy
I thought the movie was absolutely fantastic!


***SPOILERS***

Okay, the dialog between Anakin and Padme WAS horrible, and Lucas will have to get rid of the "NOOOO!" line at the end. Also, why was Anakin needed by the council to spy on Palpatine when it appears that the Jedi Council could have used the cameras to figure out what Palpatine was up to? I mean, they saw Anakin pledging his loyalty to Palpatine in his office!

I don't think they would have been "allowed" to look at the security cameras, as a matter of privacy. Only after the Jedi's start getting slaughtered and they pretty much knew what was going on do they look at the security recordings.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Palpatine too easily dismembers three Jedi Knights before his battle with Mace Windu. They WERE Jedi Knights, weren't they?

Actually they were Jedi Masters. And as said in the book they were some of the finest swordsman ever produced. However this just gives you an idea of how insanely powerful, Windu, Yoda, and Sidious really are. In all fairness Saesee Taen (The Green one) didn't do nearly as bad as the others. He at least deflected some shots and stuff.

Obi-Wan gets his arse beat by Count Dooku TWICE while teamed up with Anakin, but is able to make short work of the 4-light-saber wielding General Grievous all by himself?

- Obi-Wan gets his arse beat by Count Dooku TWICE while teamed up with Anakin, then Anakin is able to beat Count Dooku fighting solo, and then Obi-Wan defeats Anakin. That doesn't make any logical sense.

He didn't get his arse whooped. The first time, he simply wasn't as powerful. The second time he slipped up and got force thrown into a wall. Merely a cheap shot. As i said earlier though, Anakin, indiscretely, was drawing a little on the dark side which was also unknown to him.

Anakin's conversion to the Dark Side was extremely rushed and NOT convincing.

I agree with you here. However, seeing as the movie was pushing 3 hours, and the book was over 300 pages long, you really cant elaborate too much.

Obi-Wan isn't "aged" enough in this movie. He needs to be around 50 or so if he's going to be the old man you see in "A New Hope" -- Luke ages from a newborn to about 20 years old.

Obi Wan was only ~22 when he became a Jedi Knight (Not mere padawan). 10 Years later to Episode II would make him 32. Then the 3 years after that would make him 35. IIRC it is something like 23 years between III and IV, which would make him 58. I dont know about you but that sounds about right, maybe a little older.

You learned that Anakin has no father in Episode I -- this movie explains why.

I didn't catch that part. A post a little farther up mentioned that he was born of the force or something. Where are you guys getting this information?

2) Owen is Anakin's half brother. He is Lars and Anakin's mom's son.

Exactly. If you remember Watto sold her to Owen's father who then freed and married Shmi. So i wouldn't say that it is his father or step father since Anakin was born by other means. But he is the closest relative he has. Tk149 does bring up a good point. In ~23 years Vader doesn't decide "Hmmm maybe he is with my half brother".

3. Yoda told Luke to only use the Force for defense, NEVER for attack. Yoda sure as heck didn't only use defensive moves in this movie.

Well a lightsaber is hardly defensive as well. Indirectly the Jedi are all defending their way of life, however they must attack in order to defend. Also i think when he says attack, i think he means use the force to directly, and with the sole purpose, of harming another being (ie: Force Lightning, Grip).

-Kevin

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Palpatine too easily dismembers three Jedi Knights before his battle with Mace Windu. They WERE Jedi Knights, weren't they?

Actually they were Jedi Masters. And as said in the book they were some of the finest swordsman ever produced. However this just gives you an idea of how insanely powerful, Windu, Yoda, and Sidious really are. In all fairness Saesee Taen (The Green one) didn't do nearly as bad as the others. He at least deflected some shots and stuff.

Obi-Wan gets his arse beat by Count Dooku TWICE while teamed up with Anakin, but is able to make short work of the 4-light-saber wielding General Grievous all by himself?

- Obi-Wan gets his arse beat by Count Dooku TWICE while teamed up with Anakin, then Anakin is able to beat Count Dooku fighting solo, and then Obi-Wan defeats Anakin. That doesn't make any logical sense.

Lucas has a thing for people\things getting limbs cut off. I count eight or ten hands hit the floor in SW III.

He didn't get his arse whooped. The first time, he simply wasn't as powerful. The second time he slipped up and got force thrown into a wall. Merely a cheap shot. As i said earlier though, Anakin, indiscretely, was drawing a little on the dark side which was also unknown to him.

Anakin's conversion to the Dark Side was extremely rushed and NOT convincing.

I agree with you here. However, seeing as the movie was pushing 3 hours, and the book was over 300 pages long, you really cant elaborate too much.

Obi-Wan isn't "aged" enough in this movie. He needs to be around 50 or so if he's going to be the old man you see in "A New Hope" -- Luke ages from a newborn to about 20 years old.

Obi Wan was only ~22 when he became a Jedi Knight (Not mere padawan). 10 Years later to Episode II would make him 32. Then the 3 years after that would make him 35. IIRC it is something like 23 years between III and IV, which would make him 58. I dont know about you but that sounds about right, maybe a little older.

You learned that Anakin has no father in Episode I -- this movie explains why.

I didn't catch that part. A post a little farther up mentioned that he was born of the force or something. Where are you guys getting this information?

2) Owen is Anakin's half brother. He is Lars and Anakin's mom's son.

Exactly. If you remember Watto sold her to Owen's father who then freed and married Shmi. So i wouldn't say that it is his father or step father since Anakin was born by other means. But he is the closest relative he has. Tk149 does bring up a good point. In ~23 years Vader doesn't decide "Hmmm maybe he is with my half brother".

3. Yoda told Luke to only use the Force for defense, NEVER for attack. Yoda sure as heck didn't only use defensive moves in this movie.

Well a lightsaber is hardly defensive as well. Indirectly the Jedi are all defending their way of life, however they must attack in order to defend. Also i think when he says attack, i think he means use the force to directly, and with the sole purpose, of harming another being (ie: Force Lightning, Grip).

-Kevin

In SW1, Anakin's mom said that he had no father.

 

Damn. Just watched Jedi, and I have to admit, even the dumbest Ewok parts were not as dumb and kiddie as the "funny" parts in the last three, Sith included. No coughing half-droids, no Jar Jar stepping in poo jokes, nothing outright annoying other than the Ewoks, which are 1000x better than Jar Jar or the childish R2 skits in Sith.

 

[Jynx980]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Not exaclty, later books explain that they cannot stick around forever, even as spirits, but I don't exactly care for the books. If we were going to see him we should have at least seen him at the end of Ep3 in that last secret meeting. I did watch Ep2 recently and the program I used to watch it identified the speaker of alien languages and unseen speakers. In the scene where Anakin is killing the Tuskan Raiders, we see a shot of Yoda meditating and we hear him listening to a voice saying "Anakin, NO!!!" and the program revealed that voice to be that of Qui-Gon's! Would have been helpful if Qui-Gon acted as a guardian spirit like Obi-Wan did for Luke...

Thats interesting about Qui-Gon in ep2. Feeling Anakin's pain you want him to be be a great jedi for the good side even though we know how it turns out. I will have to go watch all the the episodes again.

He also kills Tuskan women, children, and even dogs so this isnt the first time he has slain children. Puting a human actors face to it and because they are jedi's in training makes it more gruesome I suppose.

Edit:

My God, I am being consumed by all of this information. More info from Star Wars.com about Qui-Gon:

While meditating, Yoda had felt a traumatic event befall young Anakin Skywalker. At that very moment, he also heard the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn, a Jedi Master slain a decade previous. It was impossible for a Jedi to retain his identity after becoming one with the Force, yet he had heard it.


It was another dangerous and disturbing puzzle for Yoda to solve while the Republic collapsed around him.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Jynx980

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Not exaclty, later books explain that they cannot stick around forever, even as spirits, but I don't exactly care for the books. If we were going to see him we should have at least seen him at the end of Ep3 in that last secret meeting. I did watch Ep2 recently and the program I used to watch it identified the speaker of alien languages and unseen speakers. In the scene where Anakin is killing the Tuskan Raiders, we see a shot of Yoda meditating and we hear him listening to a voice saying "Anakin, NO!!!" and the program revealed that voice to be that of Qui-Gon's! Would have been helpful if Qui-Gon acted as a guardian spirit like Obi-Wan did for Luke...

Thats interesting about Qui-Gon in ep2. Feeling Anakin's pain you want him to be be a great jedi for the good side even though we know how it turns out. I will have to go watch all the the episodes again.

He also kills Tuskan women, children, and even dogs so this isnt the first time he has slain children. Puting a human actors face to it and because they are jedi's in training makes it more gruesome I suppose.

The Younglings were so innocent. They're all hiding in the councel chambers when they see a familiar face and decide to show themselves and ask for help. What happens? Skywalker ignites his lightsaber and the one youngling close to him flinches ever so slightly, being startled. The rest of them just stood there. I suppose it's because they felt safe in the presence of a familiar face. It's sad that they don't even know he's there to kill them. Their innocence makes it that much more horrible.

 

[bentwookie]

Originally posted by: dwell
Damn. Just watched Jedi, and I have to admit, even the dumbest Ewok parts were not as dumb and kiddie as the "funny" parts in the last three, Sith included. No coughing half-droids, no Jar Jar stepping in poo jokes, nothing outright annoying other than the Ewoks, which are 1000x better than Jar Jar or the childish R2 skits in Sith.

I absolutely can't stand the stupid song/dance number they added to ROTJ..the old one was very funky and fit.
How can you say salacious crumb wasn't kiddie or childish? that looked worse then kermit the frog.
The ewoks partying at the end was lame..nium numb was a bad design for a character as was admiral ackbar...to me they were just as bad as grievous, but GL had to establish (grievous) was vulnurable, even though he looked like a badass.

I actually enjoyed the R2 skits in sith..they got big laughs from the audience as well as when yoda entered palatines chambers and used the force to knock the 2 red imperial guards against the wall.

C3PO was pretty much left out of this film..thank god..he was really annoying in the prequels.

 

[CrimsonChaos]

Actually they were Jedi Masters. And as said in the book they were some of the finest swordsman ever produced. However this just gives you an idea of how insanely powerful, Windu, Yoda, and Sidious really are. In all fairness Saesee Taen (The Green one) didn't do nearly as bad as the others. He at least deflected some shots and stuff.

Maybe, but to me it just seems that they wanted to rush through the killing of the other three "Masters" in order to show more of the one-on-one duel between Windu and Sidious.

He didn't get his arse whooped. The first time, he simply wasn't as powerful. The second time he slipped up and got force thrown into a wall. Merely a cheap shot. As i said earlier though, Anakin, indiscretely, was drawing a little on the dark side which was also unknown to him.

Right, but Anakin was able to beat Dooku all by himself while only "drawing a little" on the Dark Side. Then later in the movie, when Anakin was full-fledge on the Dark Side and should've been able to do some major damage, Obi-Wan was able to hold him off and critically injure him (but couldn't do crap against Dooku earlier). Just seems weird to me.

I agree with you here. However, seeing as the movie was pushing 3 hours, and the book was over 300 pages long, you really cant elaborate too much.

Maybe a few less R2D2 scenes and he could've elaborated on that more.

Obi Wan was only ~22 when he became a Jedi Knight (Not mere padawan). 10 Years later to Episode II would make him 32. Then the 3 years after that would make him 35. IIRC it is something like 23 years between III and IV, which would make him 58. I dont know about you but that sounds about right, maybe a little older.

I was under the impression Luke was only around 19 or 20 in "A New Hope". But even so, Obi-Wan looks EASILY 65 years old. It's not a big deal - just nit-picking a little.

I didn't catch that part. A post a little farther up mentioned that he was born of the force or something. Where are you guys getting this information?

In Phantom Menace, Anakin's mother tells Qui-Gon that Anakin has no father, that she just carried the baby. In Revenge of the Sith, Sidious explains to Anakin how a former Sith was so powerful he was able to create life using the force. I assumed this was an explanation for Anakin's birth.

Thanks for the reply!

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
In ~23 years Vader doesn't decide "Hmmm maybe he is with my half brother".

You must of missed the part of the funeral prosession of padme where they made her still seem pregnant--they even zoomed in over her stomach that still appears to be holding the baby(s). A trick and why DV doesnt realize she gave birth or in fact there were twins.

 

[badboyeee]

It's all Mace Windu's fault...

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: Taggart
Heh, Ep3 is already #130 of all time on IMDB

Link

Now its up to number 111 on the all time box office. Broke every record for first weekend release with 158 million (if you count Thursday as part of this weekend).

Amazing.

Anyone think it will bring down Titanic?


Link

 

[RedCOMET]

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN

Originally posted by: Taggart
Heh, Ep3 is already #130 of all time on IMDB

Link

Now its up to number 111 on the all time box office. Broke every record for first weekend release with 158 million (if you count Thursday as part of this weekend).

Amazing.

Anyone think it will bring down Titanic?


Link

I'm sure it will do pretty well becucase of the insanely expensive ticket prices at theaters now adays.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: mugs
I have a question... General Grievous was a droid... so why did he audibly breathe and cough, and at one point when Obi-Wan kills him you can see he has a beating heart... wtf?

You also never noticed that he had skin around his eyes and real eye balls. And prtobably his brain. I think it was forshadowing to what was goignto happen to Vadar.

He has a fully robot body and is super agile, yet Vader can barely even walk or move.

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: mugs
I have a question... General Grievous was a droid... so why did he audibly breathe and cough, and at one point when Obi-Wan kills him you can see he has a beating heart... wtf?

You also never noticed that he had skin around his eyes and real eye balls. And prtobably his brain. I think it was forshadowing to what was goignto happen to Vadar.

He has a fully robot body and is super agile, yet Vader can barely even walk or move.

This is definetely a plot hole. You would think that Vader would be the next generation of cyborg, bigger and better than Grievous.

This is true for a lot of things, like the battle droids and warships. Why did technology take such a huge step back between the clone wars and Ep4? Obviously it's because special effects technology is light years beyond mid-70's technology. But it sure cause some big plot holes!

 

[bentwookie]

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN

Originally posted by: Taggart
Heh, Ep3 is already #130 of all time on IMDB

Link

Now its up to number 111 on the all time box office. Broke every record for first weekend release with 158 million (if you count Thursday as part of this weekend).

Amazing.

Anyone think it will bring down Titanic?


Link

no way it could take out titanic..that appealed to a much larger audience..

The third and final installment in the "Star Wars" prequel trilogy chronicles the transformation of the heroic Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker into the villainous Darth Vader. Studio exit surveys showed the audience usually dominated by men for sci-fi films was 58 percent male and 42 percent female, with nearly half the viewers under age 25, Snyder said.

even though half the people at the theater I went to were teenage girls...I don't think Hayden has as much a draw as Dicaprio.

But in 4 days ROTS has made $300 million worldwide... focking amazing.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars3.htm

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BigJelly

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
In ~23 years Vader doesn't decide "Hmmm maybe he is with my half brother".

You must of missed the part of the funeral prosession of padme where they made her still seem pregnant--they even zoomed in over her stomach that still appears to be holding the baby(s). A trick and why DV doesnt realize she gave birth or in fact there were twins.

Well i did. But i also didn't see a big tall guy in a black suit breathing funny in the crowd. He knew, or at least Sidious did, that the twins had been born. There has to be a presence in the force. I dunno... i should just stop questioning it.

Right, but Anakin was able to beat Dooku all by himself while only "drawing a little" on the Dark Side. Then later in the movie, when Anakin was full-fledge on the Dark Side and should've been able to do some major damage, Obi-Wan was able to hold him off and critically injure him (but couldn't do crap against Dooku earlier). Just seems weird to me.

Yes, but remember, Obi-Wan never really got a chance to fight or unleash his true power with dooku. The minute he actually started really trying Dooku just manages to force push him away. So he never really got to showcase his talent, whereas Anakin did. Also the is an experience delta in the mix. Obi-Wan has much more experience than anakin, and a much greater understanding of the force. Lastly, perhaps Skywalkers biggest flaw was arrogance. The guy was so incredibly cocky.

But hey who cares now ya know, the last battle scene between the two was THE BEST i have ever scene. If the lights were on someone could have seen the biggest, most stupid grin on my face. It was truley an awesome series, but i do agree with you guys that there are some minor flaws with the plot.

-Kevin

Edit: Also remember in the movie this is not portrayed but Dooku does not practice conventional lightsaber tactics. Cant remember the name, but his blade extends and retracts at his will. Much more suited for lightsaber duels.