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JD50

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Pretty good game all things considered. I know LeMichael James fumbled early, but you have to put him back in the game. And they should have just ate the delay of game penalty. They could have used extra space if they had no intention of running. Especially with the prospect that you will need the timeout if you dont make the TD.

While I'm happy Bolden and Reed got a SB ring, its irritating that Lewis got to go out on top. And the 49ers have to deal with Seattle, GB, Atlanta, NY, and a fully functional NO next year. This was probably their best shot. Who knows how much roster turnover they will have this off season.

And while I know Flacco finished had good stats, his receivers make him so much better than he is. He gets away with murder just floating those passes, and they just go and get the ball. I would have given Bolden the MVP. That guy is a beast. Always liked him, going back to FSU.

Oh well, as long as the Patriots dont win I'm happy. As a Raiders fan, all I have left is spite. :biggrin:

Honestly, you're an idiot. Flacco's receivers have left him out to dry year after year. Get a clue.
 

Childs

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Honestly, you're an idiot. Flacco's receivers have left him out to dry year after year. Get a clue.

hahahaha That was probably what he really is. He got away with a lot in this game and the Denver game, but the Raven receivers make some really great plays. I dont normally watch Raven games, only the nationally televised ones, but he just throws it up there and one way or another they come up with the ball. The only time I seen the Raven receivers let him down was in last years AFC championship game.

But I didnt come back in this thread to read insults. For those that dont have the NFL network, Flacco and Ed Reed gave some good post game interviews.

Ed Reed: Exclamation point on my career!
Flacco: I'm going to lead this team!
 
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OrByte

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meh, I don't think the officiating overly favored any one team. It just came down to playcalling and execution.

I tried to be mad at the refs and I couldnt

they called an even game

1st and goal at the 5 and the 9ers abandoned the pistol and tried to spread the defense...that was bad play calling

I bet Gore is pissed. He should have got the ball 4 consecutive times to punch it in.
 

JD50

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hahahaha That was probably what he really is. He got away with a lot in this game and the Denver game, but the Raven receivers make some really great plays. I dont normally watch Raven games, only the nationally televised ones, but he just throws it up there and one way or another they come up with the ball. The only time I seen the Raven receivers let him down was in last years AFC championship game.

But I didnt come back in this thread to read insults. For those that dont have the NFL network, Flacco and Ed Reed gave some good post game interviews.

Ed Reed: Exclamation point on my career!
Flacco: I'm going to lead this team!

Well that much is obvious.
 

bigdog1218

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There's no reason why the niners should have lost this game, I have no idea why the D can't come out and play from minute one and the absurd playcalling in the redzone was horrible the entire game. The Ravens D couldn't stop a beachball rolling into the endzone yet 2nd and goal on the 5 and and they call 3 passing plays in a row, horrible play calling. You just put up 182 yards rushing and are 5 yards away, how the fuck do you not run the ball. The niners gifted the Ravens the win.
 

JD50

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The guy had 11 TDs and no interceptions, one of the best performances in NFL playoff history. But, he's just lucky with good receivers. LOL.
 

Adrenaline

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Terrible officiating in favor of the Ravens.

Bad no offside call on the Ravens on the 2pt try. Bad no call PI on the Ravens defender in the end zone on the 4th down. Meanwhile, 49ers got (properly) called on the PI and offside.

Disclaimer: not a fan of either team.

Ed Reed was not offsides. When the ball is hiked he is gone from his spot. Timed it perfectly. Look at NFL.com where they have highlights and you can pause it, it is timed just right.

There was no holding on Crabtree either. Crabtree initiated the contact so he could push off, they both were beyond the line of scrimmage by five yards and then the ball has to be catchable to be called pass interference when the throw was not made well.

A very good officiated game. No game will ever be 100%, but this was done well.
 

zinfamous

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That No Call on the holding was not bad. There was no way he was going to catch that ball anyway.

not really. it was certainly catchable. even though it eventually landed out of bands, it was close enough to catch and keep feet in-bounds. that hold kept him about 2 steps away what was needed to grab that ball.
 

OBLAMA2009

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There's no reason why the niners should have lost this game, I have no idea why the D can't come out and play from minute one and the absurd playcalling in the redzone was horrible the entire game. The Ravens D couldn't stop a beachball rolling into the endzone yet 2nd and goal on the 5 and and they call 3 passing plays in a row, horrible play calling. You just put up 182 yards rushing and are 5 yards away, how the fuck do you not run the ball. The niners gifted the Ravens the win.

they made 3 huge mistakes, and if they hadnt made any one of them, wed be da champions taday:
1. letting a double covered dude catch a 50 yard pass to score
2. allowing the longest kick return in supabo history
3. throwing four times 5 yards from the goal line
 

zinfamous

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Question: Did AMDZen watch the game, and if so...where and how did he watch it?

:hmm:
 

BUTCH1

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The guy had 11 TDs and no interceptions, one of the best performances in NFL playoff history. But, he's just lucky with good receivers. LOL.

Yea, that crap sounds as stupid as it gets, almost every great QB has a few players that can make tough catches as well as routine ones, how many times did Harrison come through for PM? how about Welker for TB?. Flacco has proven (IMO) he is a member of the "elite" class, the rumbling sound you will hear Monday will be the Brinks truck rolling through town to handle Joe's new contract, LOL..
 

Adrenaline

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not really. it was certainly catchable. even though it eventually landed out of bands, it was close enough to catch and keep feet in-bounds. that hold kept him about 2 steps away what was needed to grab that ball.

If Crabtree did not initiate the contact and it carry over beyond five yards to when the ball was in the air rendering the pass uncatchable, then you may have a point.

Less than five yards is holding, after that it becomes pass interference. Crabtree initiated the contact to push off for space.
 

Childs

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The guy had 11 TDs and no interceptions, one of the best performances in NFL playoff history. But, he's just lucky with good receivers. LOL.

He's lucky because he has great receivers. Even on the touchdown pass to Jones. Jones had 5 yards on the defender, but instead of hitting him in stride he throws it short. So short Jones has to stop and go to the ground, and defender runs so far past that Jones can get back up and run into the end zone. Most times that should be a pick or down at the 5 or 10. Or like the 3rd and 1 pass to Bolden. Defender has tight coverage, and his arm between Boldens, and Bolden goes into beast mode and makes the catch. Or like at the end of the Denver game. He just chucks one up there, and the safety is just sitting there and misjudges it. He didnt even hit him in stride, and because the saftey missed so bad he took out the defender and the guy walks into the end zone.

Those receivers make Flacco mistakes into touchdowns. It seems like he is "elite" now because he got two stud receivers in Jones and Smith, and two beasts in Pitta and Bolden. Those receivers will make anyone look good. Top to bottom, the only receiving core that might be better is Atlanta.

Yea, that crap sounds as stupid as it gets, almost every great QB has a few players that can make tough catches as well as routine ones, how many times did Harrison come through for PM? how about Welker for TB?. Flacco has proven (IMO) he is a member of the "elite" class, the rumbling sound you will hear Monday will be the Brinks truck rolling through town to handle Joe's new contract, LOL..

The only thing I would say about this is Welker was nothing in Miami. Brady and Manning make average to poor receivers in the good receivers. Harrison was probably a product of the system. Good receiver, but he was racking up HoF numbers with Manning. When Harrison left, the Colts didnt miss a beat. The one year Brady had a great receiver he destroyed the records. You give Brady or Manning the Ravens receivers, I think they win the SB as well.
 
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Adrenaline

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Yea, that crap sounds as stupid as it gets, almost every great QB has a few players that can make tough catches as well as routine ones, how many times did Harrison come through for PM? how about Welker for TB?. Flacco has proven (IMO) he is a member of the "elite" class, the rumbling sound you will hear Monday will be the Brinks truck rolling through town to handle Joe's new contract, LOL..

Flacco is not elite to me. He is just outside of the group.

Elite is the best of the best. Out of 32 NFL teams, how would you rank him? If you say anything past 4, he isn't elite. If you put him in your top 4, then he would be elite to you.

Having more than 4 would take away from what elite entails.
 

BUTCH1

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not really. it was certainly catchable. even though it eventually landed out of bands, it was close enough to catch and keep feet in-bounds. that hold kept him about 2 steps away what was needed to grab that ball.

I've watched the replay several times and it's tough to tell if the ball would have been in a position to keep both feet in bounds, but without a doubt it was a hold, "incidental contact" is more like feet getting tangled, the defender had both arms around the receiver. After watching every SB I've come to the conclusion the ref's have a "let 'em play" attitude and you've got to build a big enough lead to offset the non-calls, heck the "helmet catch" had several offensive holding non-calls but at the end of the day the Pat's needed more than a 3 point lead to secure a win and that's on them, not the ref's..
 

BUTCH1

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Flacco is not elite to me. He is just outside of the group.

Elite is the best of the best. Out of 32 NFL teams, how would you rank him? If you say anything past 4, he isn't elite. If you put him in your top 4, then he would be elite to you.

Having more than 4 would take away from what elite entails.

But you have to look at what his team just accomplished, to beat a good Denver team IN Denver, to beat a good Patriot team IN NE (which had won 64 games in a row there with a halftime lead) and then to get the SB MVP?, you are now an elite QB, period..
 

Adrenaline

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But you have to look at what his team just accomplished, to beat a good Denver team IN Denver, to beat a good Patriot team IN NE (which had won 64 games in a row there with a halftime lead) and then to get the SB MVP?, you are now an elite QB, period..

He did a great job and his team won the game.

I can think of 4 other QBs ahead of him right now. You put him higher than I do.
 

Childs

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I've watched the replay several times and it's tough to tell if the ball would have been in a position to keep both feet in bounds, but without a doubt it was a hold, "incidental contact" is more like feet getting tangled, the defender had both arms around the receiver. After watching every SB I've come to the conclusion the ref's have a "let 'em play" attitude and you've got to build a big enough lead to offset the non-calls, heck the "helmet catch" had several offensive holding non-calls but at the end of the day the Pat's needed more than a 3 point lead to secure a win and that's on them, not the ref's..

Its better for the refs to let them play. 49ers should wine about Romans and Harbaughs 3 previous calls before the PI. You cant call a PI in that situation unless its egregious. At game speed it didnt look that bad.
 

BUTCH1

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He's lucky because he has great receivers. Even on the touchdown pass to Jones. Jones had 5 yards on the defender, but instead of hitting him in stride he throws it short. So short Jones has to stop and go to the ground, and defender runs so far past that Jones can get back up and run into the end zone. Most times that should be a pick or down at the 5 or 10. Or like the 3rd and 1 pass to Bolden. Defender has tight coverage, and his arm between Boldens, and Bolden goes into beast mode and makes the catch. Or like at the end of the Denver game. He just chucks one up there, and the safety is just sitting there and misjudges it. He didnt even hit him in stride, and because the saftey missed so bad he took out the defender and the guy walks into the end zone.

Those receivers make Flacco mistakes into touchdowns. It seems like he is "elite" now because he got two stud receivers in Jones and Smith, and two beasts in Pitta and Bolden. Those receivers will make anyone look good. Top to bottom, the only receiving core that might be better is Atlanta.



The only thing I would say about this is Welker was nothing in Miami. Brady and Manning make average to poor receivers in the good receivers. Harrison was probably a product of the system. Good receiver, but he was racking up HoF numbers with Manning. When Harrison left, the Colts didnt miss a beat. The one year Brady had a great receiver he destroyed the records. You give Brady or Manning the Ravens receivers, I think they win the SB as well.

I agree with the last part of your statement but Welker WAS something in Miami, he scorched us every time they played Miami and I was shocked (pleasantly so) when the Pats acquired him and the Dolphins let him go for a few draft picks..
 

BUTCH1

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Its better for the refs to let them play. 49ers should wine about Romans and Harbaughs 3 previous calls before the PI. You cant call a PI in that situation unless its egregious. At game speed it didnt look that bad.

The rules just get looser in SB's so it seems, I remember the Pat's plan to slow "the greatest show on turf" by almost decking the Rams receivers in the legal 5yrd. hit area completely disrupting the timing but hey, if the ref's not gonna call it, start doing it..
 
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