*OFFICIAL* Super Bowl XLVII thread - Harbowl - Congrats Ravens.

[Childs]

He did a great job and his team won the game.

I can think of 4 other QBs ahead of him right now. You put him higher than I do.

I can think of at least 4 in the NFC, and at least 3 in the AFC ahead of Flacco, although he does win games when it matters. The top 10 QBs are probably interchangeable though. I think Flacco still has luck, but who knows. I used to think the same thing about Brady.

I agree with the last part of your statement but Welker WAS something in Miami, he scorched us every time they played Miami and I was shocked (pleasantly so) when the Pats acquired him and the Dolphins let him go for a few draft picks..

That may be. I listen to a Miami sports podcast, and they always talk about how Welker never produced in Miami like he does in NE, so thats what I'm basing that statement on. I actually never heard of him before he joined the Pats.

 

[BUTCH1]

Its better for the refs to let them play. 49ers should wine about Romans and Harbaughs 3 previous calls before the PI. You cant call a PI in that situation unless its egregious. At game speed it didnt look that bad.

I would have faked a hand-off then let Kap take his chances on a naked bootleg, throwing three times in a row seemed like the Niner's tried to outsmart the Ravens only to have it blow up in their face..

 

[Childs]

I would have faked a hand-off then let Kap take his chances on a naked bootleg, throwing three times in a row seemed like the Niner's tried to outsmart the Ravens only to have it blow up in their face..

You would think they would have went into the pistol and spread them out, and either run or play fake. I dont think anyone would have blamed them if they let Kap try to run it all four downs. Although its probably easier to coach in hindsight. :biggrin:

 

[Printer Bandit]

was the sandy hook choir singing lip synced?

 

[Printer Bandit]

how awesome would it have been if Kap ran it into the endzone at the end?

 

[BUTCH1]

I can think of at least 4 in the NFC, and at least 3 in the AFC ahead of Flacco, although he does win games when it matters. The top 10 QBs are probably interchangeable though. I think Flacco still has luck, but who knows. I used to think the same thing about Brady.



That may be. I listen to a Miami sports podcast, and they always talk about how Welker never produced in Miami like he does in NE, so thats what I'm basing that statement on. I actually never heard of him before he joined the Pats.

Her's what he did in his last season in Miami, 2006 season

After rumors that he would be cut during the preseason, Welker started off being the lone bright spot of the struggling Dolphins offense. Through five games, he netted a team-high 29 catches and team-high 299 yards. On October 8, he was a huge target for back-up quarterback Joey Harrington, recording a then career-high nine catches for 77 yards in a 20–10 loss to the Patriots. For the season, Welker had a team-best 67 receptions for 687 yards and one touchdown. He returned 48 kickoffs for 1,048 yards (22.2 average) and 41 punts for 378 yards and a touchdown (9.2 average).

I just knew one thing, even if the Dolphin QB didn't get him the ball he always seemed to get open, now he's a FA, last year the Pat's put the "franchise" tag on him so he got a hefty 11.5mil for the year, I know the Pats have parted ways with top talent before (Law, Milloy, Seymore) but Wes is different, Brady will be mightily pissed is he's not signed..

 

[manly]

I've watched the replay several times and it's tough to tell if the ball would have been in a position to keep both feet in bounds, but without a doubt it was a hold, "incidental contact" is more like feet getting tangled, the defender had both arms around the receiver. After watching every SB I've come to the conclusion the ref's have a "let 'em play" attitude and you've got to build a big enough lead to offset the non-calls, heck the "helmet catch" had several offensive holding non-calls but at the end of the day the Pat's needed more than a 3 point lead to secure a win and that's on them, not the ref's..

I don't think it was catchable, so that rules out PI. The question is whether it was defensive holding past 5 yards. It's a borderline call, and Crabtree did push away the DB's helmet a bit as Crabtree was getting held up. IMO it wasn't a terrible no-call.

It's not just in the NFL, refs in major sports are expected not to decide the game. For better or worse, that means they'll swallow the whistle at the end on judgment calls that would greatly swing the outcome.

I'd have to rewatch the helmet catch, but if there were several holding non-calls, that's definitely on the refs. There's obviously leeway to let the players decide the outcome but several ignored penalties on one play is way too much.

 

[Elganja]

I am the #1 Flacco hater ... but you have to give credit where credit is due.

I kept telling myself "well it was horrible defense, not Flacco " or "he still sucks, his WR make him look good" ... and while there may be a little truth to that, it's true for every QB, not just Flacco ... I honestly gained a ton of respect for Flacco yesterday.

I'm not quite sure I would consider him "elite" yet... but he is on the cusp for me. Maybe it's denial... But regardless, his run in this years playoffs was an amazing feat... his MVP was well deserved.

Other players that stood out to me
-Boldin... oh my... I already had a high opinion for him, but after last night... it's even higher
-Jacoby Jones... blazing fast
-Baltimore D... they were able to make the key stops with Ngata out
-Kaepernick... gonna be a beast for years to come

Players I hate
-Cary Williams... he has entered my permanent shitlist for a lot of his antics yesterday

 

[SP33Demon]

He's lucky because he has great receivers. Even on the touchdown pass to Jones. Jones had 5 yards on the defender, but instead of hitting him in stride he throws it short. So short Jones has to stop and go to the ground, and defender runs so far past that Jones can get back up and run into the end zone. Most times that should be a pick or down at the 5 or 10. Or like the 3rd and 1 pass to Bolden. Defender has tight coverage, and his arm between Boldens, and Bolden goes into beast mode and makes the catch. Or like at the end of the Denver game. He just chucks one up there, and the safety is just sitting there and misjudges it. He didnt even hit him in stride, and because the saftey missed so bad he took out the defender and the guy walks into the end zone.

Those receivers make Flacco mistakes into touchdowns. It seems like he is "elite" now because he got two stud receivers in Jones and Smith, and two beasts in Pitta and Bolden. Those receivers will make anyone look good. Top to bottom, the only receiving core that might be better is Atlanta.

Flacco recognized that the receiver was behind the defense and got rid of it early enough to beat the defense - just like against Denver. Who gives a shit if it was 1-2 yards short on a 50+ pass, hell he threw the one last night while on the run - go watch it again. All that matters is that Flacco had the smarts to recognize the situation and capitalize on it - something that non-elite QBs cannot do consistently. In addition, while B.More's receivers are very good, Flacco always places the ball where it's supposed to be - usually high unless it's on a slant and then low.

Flacco tied Montana for most TDs in a postseason, beat Denver with Manning and New England w/ Brady on the road overcoming 9.5 point spreads, and finally torched SF for a 126 Rating. He is now in the class of elite.

 

[SP33Demon]

There's no reason why the niners should have lost this game, I have no idea why the D can't come out and play from minute one and the absurd playcalling in the redzone was horrible the entire game. The Ravens D couldn't stop a beachball rolling into the endzone yet 2nd and goal on the 5 and and they call 3 passing plays in a row, horrible play calling. You just put up 182 yards rushing and are 5 yards away, how the fuck do you not run the ball. The niners gifted the Ravens the win.

The Ravens D was gassed but they made 4 consecutive plays on the goal line last stand for Ray without Ngata. It was a sight to behold and the niners didn't gift shit, nothing is guaranteed in the NFL, not a 28-6 lead, not special teams, field goals, etc. The niners should have at least tried to run once since Ngata was out, but they felt Cap's arm would get them the 6. They thought wrong.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Stupid playing calling on the last series by SF. On the five, they should have run it on all downs. On 2nd and 3rd when the Ravens weren't blitzing on the left side, a naked bootleg would have been an easy score. Stupid to pass with no play or draw action.

 

[mvbighead]

I think the few people talking about bad calls in the game are simply misguided and were rooting hard for their team. There were plenty of non-calls both ways.

As for the 4th and goal, Crabtree initiated contact. Contacted continued during the throw. The ball sailed. It was a good non-call, IMO. In slow-mo, it was a little iffy, but in real time it seemed like the right call.

And the commercials were terrible this year. Favorite was probably the Bud's Clydesdale, but most were just not funny when they wanted to be, or not moving enough when they wanted to be. The game was great though.

 

[diesbudt]

I think the few people talking about bad calls in the game are simply misguided and were rooting hard for their team. There were plenty of non-calls both ways.

As for the 4th and goal, Crabtree initiated contact. Contacted continued during the throw. The ball sailed. It was a good non-call, IMO. In slow-mo, it was a little iffy, but in real time it seemed like the right call.

And the commercials were terrible this year. Favorite was probably the Bud's Clydesdale, but most were just not funny when they wanted to be, or not moving enough when they wanted to be. The game was great though.

Yes, yes there was. I want someone to explain to me why, in a game that on every play there is holding on the line, yet not a single holding call called?

I seen 3-4 plays (that went big for SF) and 2-3 plays on the Ravens where an offensive player was holding blatently that I could see it on my TV.

Secondly, yes crabtree started contact, he started to push off to get space between him and the defender after 5 yards (as he started to run into the endzone), in response, whether on purpose or just instinct, the defender grabbed him to prevent the push off, thus becoming as it was seen.

And I agree, not saying something or both things couldn't have been called. But having the refs not decide the game like that and with it being both players and iffy both ways, it was a good no call.

And the commercials? My favorite was the M&M one.

 

[MetalMat]

I think the few people talking about bad calls in the game are simply misguided and were rooting hard for their team. There were plenty of non-calls both ways.

As for the 4th and goal, Crabtree initiated contact. Contacted continued during the throw. The ball sailed. It was a good non-call, IMO. In slow-mo, it was a little iffy, but in real time it seemed like the right call.

And the commercials were terrible this year. Favorite was probably the Bud's Clydesdale, but most were just not funny when they wanted to be, or not moving enough when they wanted to be. The game was great though.

49ers fans are going to complain about that no-call forever but it was a good call. I think the officiating in the game was ok, I think that the running into the kicker call was pretty weak but technically I guess it was the right call.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Watching 9ers run in 1st half on 3rd and 10 and again on 3rd and 14 really pissed me off. Why in the world would they do that?

1st half was a disaster.

2nd half, time outs came back to bite us in the ass. Also we should've NEVER ran the clock out on the last drive and just focused on scoring a TD.

There is always next year.

 

[Red Storm]

That was an epic goal line stand by the Ravens. Fitting their D won them the game at the very end.

 

[preslove]

I stopped watching after Beyonce and decided to go grocery shopping. I stopped at a bbq place with the game on for a quick bite before heading to the close by grocery store. At that point SF was about to score to make it an 8 point game.

I was like, 'how the fuck did this happen?"

Then I learned about this:

 

[diesbudt]

I was like, 'how the fuck did this happen?"

Then I learned about this:

This was a massive momentum swing.

Whether it was because the Hot offense of the Ravens were off the field almost a whole 90+ minutes, the ravens psycologically allowed the blackout to affect them in such a way, or that the 49ers got an extra pep talk in that time. It is certain this changed the games momentum 100%, and can say I am glad the ravens held on to win, otherwise I would question an already "asterisk" season (touch-ception changed the playoff picture a bit) to be even more "asterisk"

I am glad the year awards went to the right people in my opinion also.

 

[waggy]

they made 3 huge mistakes, and if they hadnt made any one of them, wed be da champions taday:
1. letting a double covered dude catch a 50 yard pass to score
2. allowing the longest kick return in supabo history
3. throwing four times 5 yards from the goal line

i didn't get why they didn't try to pound it in. ugh.

The guy had 11 TDs and no interceptions, one of the best performances in NFL playoff history. But, he's just lucky with good receivers. LOL.

agreed. some people are just fucking stupid. Flaco put on a show. he was great and anyone who says he is not "elite" is a idiot. he won the super bowl, he was MVP and did it with stats that are great.

 

[waggy]

This was a massive momentum swing.

Whether it was because the Hot offense of the Ravens were off the field almost a whole 90+ minutes, the ravens psycologically allowed the blackout to affect them in such a way, or that the 49ers got an extra pep talk in that time. It is certain this changed the games momentum 100%, and can say I am glad the ravens held on to win, otherwise I would question an already "asterisk" season (touch-ception changed the playoff picture a bit) to be even more "asterisk"

I am glad the year awards went to the right people in my opinion also.

yeah. that allowed SF to come back. It allowed players to rest (huge for a defense that is getting whooped)

i thought it was a good game. a few WTF moments on play calls though. The refs sucked..but they sucked equally.

 

[SP33Demon]

This was a massive momentum swing.

Whether it was because the Hot offense of the Ravens were off the field almost a whole 90+ minutes, the ravens psycologically allowed the blackout to affect them in such a way, or that the 49ers got an extra pep talk in that time. It is certain this changed the games momentum 100%, and can say I am glad the ravens held on to win, otherwise I would question an already "asterisk" season (touch-ception changed the playoff picture a bit) to be even more "asterisk"

I am glad the year awards went to the right people in my opinion also.

Basically, the blackout was like the bell saving a boxer who was getting continually hit by uppercuts. It allowed the 49ers to regroup, re-strategize, and rethink what they wanted to do while sitting in the corner licking their wounds. They went down swinging so give them credit.

 

[darkxshade]

The niners lacked energy and focus the first half and had to recharge but the stadium couldn't supply enough power.

 

[diesbudt]

i didn't get why they didn't try to pound it in. ugh.



agreed. some people are just fucking stupid. Flaco put on a show. he was great and anyone who says he is not "elite" is a idiot. he won the super bowl, he was MVP and did it with stats that are great.

And 2 of those games were against some of the "great defenses" in the NFL this season (broncos and 49ers), and also a win in NE against all odds.

Sure flacco isn't better than Rodgers, manning, brady and company, but he proved his worth and showed he should at least some consideration in the conversation.

 

[diesbudt]

The niners lacked energy and focus the first half and had to recharge but the stadium couldn't supply enough power.

I wonder, if they plugged Kaepernick in to charge him up and it blew a fuse trying to feed too much into him.

 

[Gibsons]

Here's the hold/no call.