But, the argument wasn't "does Brady have the heart of a lion" or even "was Brady good during the season", because those are obvious. The argument was Brady the best QB in 2013. And the answer is a resounding "no". Manning was about as close to perfect as you can get last year (well, behind Nick Foles >_< ). He set nearly every passing record and lost the Super Bowl. Curiously, a lot of those Brady records were set during a season when Brady also lost the Super Bowl.
Whatcha think? Too soon for the REAL reason Seattle won?
Did he really say that?
Did he really say that?
of course he did, it's on the internet isn't it?
heh-heh...missed it by --> <-- that much...
(taken at Met Life Stadium this morning)
Brady didn't lose the SB, NE's DEFENSE lost 2 SB's, the first one was the "helmet catch" fail by Harrison preceded Asante Samuel letting a gift interception slide right between his hands, at the end of the day he got his team the lead late in the 4th Qtr in both games and both times the D failed to make a play to stop Eli from driving for the winning score. From a numbers standpoint no, Brady wasn't even close to the best QB in 2013 but from a leadership standpoint and refusing to cave in to a decimated defense and a lack of skill position players around him I think he was the best, I'm 10X more proud of him for what he did this year than in 2007 when he had a record-setting year because that season it was expected due to him finally having a legit deep threat in Moss plus Welker, Stallworth, and Gaffney to throw to.
Love the free pass a lot of people are willing to give Peyton Manning because he's an "All-Time Great". But just like one of the NBA's All-Timers, Wilt, he's not known as one of the greatest "champions" in his sport. Even his brother who's arguably a very average (if not mediocre) QB has out-performed him in the playoffs.
Most of us get that just like NBA superstars, the franchise QB gets way too much credit for winning and way too much blame for losing. But in this case, why do so many people leap out to blame every Bronco but Manning? Look at his first INT, nobody was in his face or hitting him. He just threw up a fluttering duck that was nowhere near the intended receiver.
Despite the horrific start,the Broncos defense made some big stops to limit the Seahawks to just 2 first quarter FGs. As some here said, the Broncos were ecstatic to be down just a single TD at that point, as poorly as they had played. If the greatest QB ever with the statistically greatest offense ever had been able to get going right then, it would've been very much a game.
Not taking anything away from Seattle, but I'm not entirely convinced this defense is as good as the '85 Bears or '00 Ravens, who are generally considered the greatest units ever. We didn't hear much about the Seahawks front line going in, but clearly Avril had a big impact. They had an extremely good game; and while the Broncos scored just once, they did manage to move the ball on dink & dunks through stretches of the game. It wasn't 100% lockdown like the '00 Ravens (although rules have changed).
Finally, also love the logic that Peyton would've solidified his legacy with a win last night (indeed he would have). But a loss so one-sided doesn't diminish it one iota!??? I don't dislike PM, he's a very classy person. But his playoffs record speaks for itself, despite all those who rush to defend his miscues. Some may hate the "choker" label, but it isn't wholly inappropriate.
Oh, you're more proud of him? He must be so happy to have the approval of BUTCH1!
If he refused to cave, why did he cave against Denver?
Good article on why Seattle isn't even close to being the all-time best Super Bowl defense, damn good, yes, youngest, yes. Let's not get carried away here.
Love the free pass a lot of people are willing to give Peyton Manning because he's an "All-Time Great". But just like one of the NBA's All-Timers, Wilt, he's not known as one of the greatest "champions" in his sport. Even his brother who's arguably a very average (if not mediocre) QB has out-performed him in the playoffs.
Most of us get that just like NBA superstars, the franchise QB gets way too much credit for winning and way too much blame for losing. But in this case, why do so many people leap out to blame every Bronco but Manning? Look at his first INT, nobody was in his face or hitting him. He just threw up a fluttering duck that was nowhere near the intended receiver.
Despite the horrific start,the Broncos defense made some big stops to limit the Seahawks to just 2 first quarter FGs. As some here said, the Broncos were ecstatic to be down just a single TD at that point, as poorly as they had played. If the greatest QB ever with the statistically greatest offense ever had been able to get going right then, it would've been very much a game.
Not taking anything away from Seattle, but I'm not entirely convinced this defense is as good as the '85 Bears or '00 Ravens, who are generally considered the greatest units ever. We didn't hear much about the Seahawks front line going in, but clearly Avril had a big impact. They had an extremely good game; and while the Broncos scored just once, they did manage to move the ball on dink & dunks through stretches of the game. It wasn't 100% lockdown like the '00 Ravens (although rules have changed).
Finally, also love the logic that Peyton would've solidified his legacy with a win last night (indeed he would have). But a loss so one-sided doesn't diminish it one iota!??? I don't dislike PM, he's a very classy person. But his playoffs record speaks for itself, despite all those who rush to defend his miscues. Some may hate the "choker" label, but it isn't wholly inappropriate.
So if you believe Denver had a historically great offense, you will look at the game think they were smashed by a historically great defense. And the Seahawks were statistically the best defense in the league, so its hard to chalk it up to a fluke. I'll just say that it was one of the best defensive performances I've seen in a Super Bowl, if not the best. I have to put an asterisk on it because I think that 5 teams in the NFC would have beaten Denver, but in a few years I'll probably forget about that.
Sure, but I don't get where people say it's the best in NFL history. I haven't done the footwork, but the previous "best" offense - during the regular season how tough was their lineup? Denver didn't really play teams that had great defenses. I would absolutely have loved to see the 49ers, Hawks or similar in the regular season vs the Broncos. Someone in the top 5 at least.
I do believe crowd noise had a huge impact from the opening drive. Sadly it also made the most hyped and reported Super Bowl the most disappointing. Maybe next year crowd noise will be neutralized by in-ear phones miked to their respective QBs.
Good article on why Seattle isn't even close to being the all-time best Super Bowl defense, damn good, yes, youngest, yes. Let's not get carried away here.
Seattle Seahawks' defensive legacy depends on NFL-wide impact
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/story/...ks-defensive-legacy-depends-on-nflwide-impact
» Fewest Points Allowed per Game -- Since AFL-NFL Merger of 1970
1) 1977 Atlanta Falcons: 9.2
2) 1975 Los Angeles Rams: 9.6
3) 1976 Pittsburgh Steelers: 9.9
3) 1971 Minnesota Vikings: 9.9
5) 1971 Baltimore Colts: 10.0
6) 1970 Minnesota Vikings: 10.2
7) 2000 Baltimore Ravens: 10.3
» Fewest Points Allowed per Game -- Since 1978
1) 2000 Baltimore Ravens: 10.3
2) 1986 Chicago Bears: 11.7
3) 2000 Tennessee Titans: 11.9
4) 1978 Pittsburgh Steelers: 12.2
5) 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 12.3
6) 1985 Chicago Bears: 12.4
6) 1978 Denver Broncos: 12.4
» Fewest Points Allowed per Game -- Since 2004
1) 2005 Chicago Bears: 12.6
1) 2006 Baltimore Ravens: 12.6
3) 2008 Pittsburgh Steelers: 13.9
4) 2011 Pittsburgh Steelers: 14.2
5) 2011 San Francisco 49ers: 14.3
6) 2013 Seattle Seahawks: 14.4
1984 -- Dan Marino -- 5084 -- 1984
2008 -- Drew Brees -- 5069 -- 2008
2011 -- Drew Brees -- 5476 -- 2011
2011 -- Tom Brady -- 5235 -- 2011
2011 -- Matthew Stafford -- 5038 -- 2011
2012 -- Drew Brees -- 5177 -- 2012
2013 -- Peyton Manning -- 5477 -- 2013
2013 -- Drew Brees -- 5162 -- 2013
Year Average Points (Team)
2013 23.4
2012 22.8
2011 22.2
2010 22
2009 21.5
2008 22
2007 21.7
2006 20.7
2005 20.6
2004 21.5
2003 20.8
2002 21.7
2001 20.2
2000 20.7
1999 20.8
1998 21.3
1997 20.7
1996 20.4
1995 21.5
1994 20.3
1993 18.7
1992 18.7
1991 19
does anyone doubt if there was a time warp and 1985 Bears had to play against 2013 Seattle in modern rules Seattle would not just mop the floor with the Bears?
But certain Seattle's defense has had one of the best seasons ever and one of the best handful of Super Bowl performances EVER. What Seattle did to Denver needs to be talked about in the same breath as the awesome 2002 Bucs performance, 2000 Ravens, and 1985 Bears. Anything less is sour grapes.
The 85 Bears would destroy the 2013 Seahawks, as would the Cowboys under Jimmy, the Niners of that era, and probably the Redskins and Bills. I wouldn't even put Seattle over Elway and Davis.You are not serious, right? Crowd noise is part of the game. It was a mistake by Fox to underestimate the noise and a) not practice with more noise and b) having a gameplan in place that accounted for such.
For all the hoopla over finesse passing teams there are well known issues: weather, especially rain snow and wind, have a negative effect; timing can be broken with pressure or jamming receivers; and noise has a negative effect for adjustments and communication to the wide outs. Your high flying offense, if they want a Super Bowl, needs to gameplan and practice to overcome these limitations. It is risk/reward. A smash mouth rush attack may be boring and has less big play reward it also suffers better under adverse circumstances.
Anyhow, the noise did not make the game disappointing. I don't think the game was disappointing at all as we got the two #1 seeds and best offense and defense in the league. The game lacked entertainment factor for non-Seahawk fans as the #1 defense destroyed the #1 offense and Seattle's offense and special teams far outplayed their respective opponents.
Copycatting doesn't determine how good a team is. This is silly.
There is a reason the 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens, etc were not duplicated -- it more than just players or scheme or coaching but a combination of each. There are not enough 6'3" 235lb fast strong safeties (Chancellor) and 6'3" 200lb (Sherman) and 6'4" 225lb (Browner) corners in the league. Everyone WANTS a 4 man rush like the 2007 Giants or the 2013 Seahawks. There is a reason it is so rare--and it isn't for lack of desire.
Regarding stats, you cannot just start throwing out top 10 numbers as a final barometer. The game changes.
How many 5,000 yard passers were there before 1984? 0.
How many 5,000 yard passers were there before 2011? 1.
How many 5,000 yard passers have there been the last three seasons (2011, 2012, 2013)? 6.
A similar trend can be seen in scoring. Obviously the two highest scoring offenses ever have been in the last 10 years (2007 Patriots and 2013 Broncos). Average team scoring is up 2.7 points per team per game since 2000. 4.4 points compared to 1990.
It is silly to make emphatic, "Best ever" statements. First off is the athletes in 2013 are better than those in 1985--does anyone doubt if there was a time warp and 1985 Bears had to play against 2013 Seattle in modern rules Seattle would not just mop the floor with the Bears?
You can look at thing in respect to their leagues and rules; e.g. Seattle 13 and Bears 85 both lead the league in Scoring, Yards, and Turnovers. They are the only two teams to do this in 30 years. Seattle's defense, in this season, were first in a slew of important categories: Scoring, Yards, Passing Yards, Yards per Attempt, Yards after Catch, Interceptions and Turnovers, QB Pressures, etc.
Your last number of posts have been pretty negative toward Seattle but there is also this: The 1985 Bears beat a Patriot team that was 9th and 10th (iirc) in offensive scoring and yards that season. The 2000 Ravens faced a similarly pedestrian Giants. The 2013 Seahawks faced the #1 scoring and # yards team, not just in the league, but ever.
I wouldn't say Seattle is the best defense ever--how do you even begin to judge that? What criteria?
But certain Seattle's defense has had one of the best seasons ever and one of the best handful of Super Bowl performances EVER. What Seattle did to Denver needs to be talked about in the same breath as the awesome 2002 Bucs performance, 2000 Ravens, and 1985 Bears. Anything less is sour grapes.