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smackababy

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One problem I did see with their defenders being so fast is (especially on those short passes) two or three guys are getting to the defender at the same time, often running into each other.

Yeah, there were some instances of Seattle players being a bit overzealous and hurting each other. But, it's the Super Bowl, you have to expect everyone to be going 110%. I mean, everyone except for Manning ofc. >_<
 

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Otherwise, I just rewatched the Super Bowl (and the Conference Championships) no way is Denver THAT bad or Seattle THAT good, no way.



It is all about matchups and Seattle has been very good against traditional passing attacks the rely on yards after the catch.

Go watch what Seattle did to the Saints on Monday night. Brees had an excellent season (over 5,000 yards) and the Saints have a number of quality receivers and thrive on the short game (especially screens) like Denver.

Seattle destroyed them. 34-7 and Seattle, much like against Denver, could have scored quite a few more. The play off game is hard to judge as the weather was so bad but it is worth noting Brees was destroyed in the first half&#8212;worse half in a decade&#8212;and Seattle had a commanding 23-8 lead before Saints went into desperation mode (heave it deep, hope you catch it).


Seattle made traditional QBs suffer most of the year. Luck had a horrible first half (blocked kick and a fumbled kick off were big turning points on the road), Carson was killed by Seattle, Ryan, Schaub (Seattle was the turning point for him), etc. The last two years the Seattle defense has beat Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, Jay Cutler, Brees, both Mannings, Kaepernick, Newton, Ryan, Brady, and RGIII.

Seattle can be that good against traditional passers when they are on their A game. This is the same team with 150 points in 3 games at the end of last year; injuries to their line and receiving core were big set backs all year, and yet they still went 13-3 in the toughest division.

As for the NFC Championship, the 49ers were the "hot" team and chick pick. Their passing game was doing well as the 9ers were finally healthy. The 49ers have a great offensive line, 3 legit passing targets in Boldin/Crabtree/Davis, the best linebackers in the league (maybe best front 7). San Francisco had a hard schedule, including Seattle twice, and finished 12-4. With how bad the AFC defenses are the 49ers would go 14-2 in the AFC.

As for Denver, Seattle did the same thing to them in the preseason; yes, only preseason but it was pretty telling about the matchup issues. What I saw in Denver&#8217;s playoffs games is that they struggled against an average, at best, San Deigo team and an injury riddled Patriot team. The Patriots had 1 legit pass defender who was injured. They had make shift receiving corp that could not exploit the BAD Denver pass defense.

For how great Denver was they weren't scoring much more than Seattle (24-17 SD, 26-16 Pats). And that was against far inferior defenses compared to the 49ers and Saints Seattle faced.

Seattle got some bounces their way (the free safety) but everyone who watched the Super Bowl saw Seattle out execute at every level of the game. It wasn&#8217;t fluky&#8212;Seattle got pressure with 4 rushers and the Denver receivers posed no threat for yards after the catch. Denver was getting killed on the line of scrimmage. And on offense Seattle proved against an average defense. Denver sold out on Lynch and Wilson shredded them for 72% completion and him and Harvin took advantage of Denver inability to contain (71 yards on 5 carries). And of course Seattle special teams covered every kick well and Seattle exploited the WORST KO cover unit in the league&#8212;didn&#8217;t hurt to have Harvin, the best returner in the game, back on the roster.

Even if Denver&#8217;s offense had a much better day it doesn&#8217;t change the fact Seattle was also killing it on offense and special teams. Denver is an above average team with below average defense and special teams carried by their great QB that lives on yards after the catch. That is a horrible match up against Seattle.

So I will base my statement on the matchups we saw as well as seeing Seattle do the SAME THING to another 5,000 yard passing team.

So what proof do you have that a) Denver could play a lot better against a top 5 Defense in scoring/pass yards/turnovers? and b) Denver's defense can regularly stop teams that can run and pass?

I won't even mention special teams--everyone knows Denver KO coverage stinks, Harvin is awesome, and Seattle kick coverage was historically great this season. (Now that I think about it, the two 300 yard passers against Seattle were losses where the loser scored 21 and 15 points.)
 

Arkaign

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It is all about matchups and Seattle has been very good against traditional passing attacks the rely on yards after the catch.

Go watch what Seattle did to the Saints on Monday night. Brees had an excellent season (over 5,000 yards) and the Saints have a number of quality receivers and thrive on the short game (especially screens) like Denver.

Seattle destroyed them. 34-7 and Seattle, much like against Denver, could have scored quite a few more. The play off game is hard to judge as the weather was so bad but it is worth noting Brees was destroyed in the first half—worse half in a decade—and Seattle had a commanding 23-8 lead before Saints went into desperation mode (heave it deep, hope you catch it).


Seattle made traditional QBs suffer most of the year. Luck had a horrible first half (blocked kick and a fumbled kick off were big turning points on the road), Carson was killed by Seattle, Ryan, Schaub (Seattle was the turning point for him), etc. The last two years the Seattle defense has beat Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, Jay Cutler, Brees, both Mannings, Kaepernick, Newton, Ryan, Brady, and RGIII.

Seattle can be that good against traditional passers when they are on their A game. This is the same team with 150 points in 3 games at the end of last year; injuries to their line and receiving core were big set backs all year, and yet they still went 13-3 in the toughest division.

As for the NFC Championship, the 49ers were the "hot" team and chick pick. Their passing game was doing well as the 9ers were finally healthy. The 49ers have a great offensive line, 3 legit passing targets in Boldin/Crabtree/Davis, the best linebackers in the league (maybe best front 7). San Francisco had a hard schedule, including Seattle twice, and finished 12-4. With how bad the AFC defenses are the 49ers would go 14-2 in the AFC.

As for Denver, Seattle did the same thing to them in the preseason; yes, only preseason but it was pretty telling about the matchup issues. What I saw in Denver’s playoffs games is that they struggled against an average, at best, San Deigo team and an injury riddled Patriot team. The Patriots had 1 legit pass defender who was injured. They had make shift receiving corp that could not exploit the BAD Denver pass defense.

For how great Denver was they weren't scoring much more than Seattle (24-17 SD, 26-16 Pats). And that was against far inferior defenses compared to the 49ers and Saints Seattle faced.

Seattle got some bounces their way (the free safety) but everyone who watched the Super Bowl saw Seattle out execute at every level of the game. It wasn’t fluky—Seattle got pressure with 4 rushers and the Denver receivers posed no threat for yards after the catch. Denver was getting killed on the line of scrimmage. And on offense Seattle proved against an average defense. Denver sold out on Lynch and Wilson shredded them for 72% completion and him and Harvin took advantage of Denver inability to contain (71 yards on 5 carries). And of course Seattle special teams covered every kick well and Seattle exploited the WORST KO cover unit in the league—didn’t hurt to have Harvin, the best returner in the game, back on the roster.

Even if Denver’s offense had a much better day it doesn’t change the fact Seattle was also killing it on offense and special teams. Denver is an above average team with below average defense and special teams carried by their great QB that lives on yards after the catch. That is a horrible match up against Seattle.

So I will base my statement on the matchups we saw as well as seeing Seattle do the SAME THING to another 5,000 yard passing team.

So what proof do you have that a) Denver could play a lot better against a top 5 Defense in scoring/pass yards/turnovers? and b) Denver's defense can regularly stop teams that can run and pass?

I won't even mention special teams--everyone knows Denver KO coverage stinks, Harvin is awesome, and Seattle kick coverage was historically great this season. (Now that I think about it, the two 300 yard passers against Seattle were losses where the loser scored 21 and 15 points.)

So much this.

Denver had the benefit of a dramatically easier schedule than SF/Seattle did, and a ton of incredibly weak opponents overall. So their numbers got inflated a great deal, and honestly I think that really got into a lot of their heads.

Their final mistake was not even TRYING to adjust to what they needed to do to even have a chance against Seattle. I haven't seen that level of total annihilation in a long time, if ever.

If Seattle had wanted to, that could have been 62-0. They went to sleep on one drive, then put the brakes on in the later part of the 2nd half. In every way that mattered, they completely shattered any idea that Denver was worthy of being in the same stadium. Hell, it was so bad they didn't even look like a first year expansion NFL team.
 

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It'll be interesting to see how Seattle holds up once they have to pay their players. Looking forward to the draft.. Need more football!!
 

smackababy

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It'll be interesting to see how Seattle holds up once they have to pay their players. Looking forward to the draft.. Need more football!!

I hate that after the Super Bowl I have to wait until August to see more football. =( They need a summer league or something.
 

smackababy

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Remember NFL Europe?

Yes, and it was pretty much the equivalent of the NBA's D league. We need a real spring / summer league that isn't based thousands of miles away in a time zone that makes it unrealistic to watch and have it actually televised.

I'd be happy with an "amateur" league getting some coverage, if the games don't suck.
 

zinfamous

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Yes, and it was pretty much the equivalent of the NBA's D league. We need a real spring / summer league that isn't based thousands of miles away in a time zone that makes it unrealistic to watch and have it actually televised.

I'd be happy with an "amateur" league getting some coverage, if the games don't suck.

Remember the XFL?
 

BoomerD

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lol--Lynch tossing skittles to the crowd

And the crowd kept tossing him more...

I watched the parade from the warmth and comfort of my lazy-boy...there was no fucking way I wanted to put up with the crush of people that were going to be there. (even though I WOULD have liked to go...I knew better)

We talked to one lady who went...she had to wait over 3 hours for a return ferry...they were packed like sardines.
 

smackababy

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Remember the XFL?

The league that was supposed to be a wrestling and football combination? Yeah...

I want something that isn't the half baked idea of a teenager.


Just extend the season another 3 months. There is no reason teams need 6 months off.
 

BoomerD

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I'd LOVE to have year-round football!

However, for whatever reason, the alternative football leagues just can't make it. (Timmy Tebow...I'm looking at you)

Hell, not every player who comes out of college and wants to play in the "big leagues" can make it...having a couple of alternate leagues that don't pay as well would still be a good thing for them...and for us football fans.
I watch football every Sunday, Monday Night and Thursday night...even when one of my teams isn't playing/being televised. I just love the game.
 

zinfamous

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The league that was supposed to be a wrestling and football combination? Yeah...

I want something that isn't the half baked idea of a teenager.


Just extend the season another 3 months. There is no reason teams need 6 months off.

well, the league is already contemplating extended the season by two games---either by poaching two preseason games or adding weeks. And I think most fans and players agree that this is a terrible idea, with the type of injuries that are already common in the current season format.

Didn't the NFL also own one of those semi-pro "development" leagues some many years ago?

Oh yeah, the WLAF. many "fond" memories of this franchise.
 

smackababy

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Are the injuries even linked to possible extending of the season or something else? If anything, I think the new rules regarding practice procedures and frequency plus the new turf is contributing more than anything. Oh, you can't do padded two a days anymore? Cry me a river guy making millions a year for playing football!

Let's say the did extend the season and add additional playoff wildcard slots extending the playoffs another week. That still gives them a massive amount of time off compared to the other major sports. Hockey pretty much starts up right after the Stanley Cup is played for. Technically, they get like 4 months off, but still.
 

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Are the injuries even linked to possible extending of the season or something else? If anything, I think the new rules regarding practice procedures and frequency plus the new turf is contributing more than anything. Oh, you can't do padded two a days anymore? Cry me a river guy making millions a year for playing football!

It's two more weeks to get f'd up. It's just unnecessary risk. The NFL is really the only professional sport that doesn't suffer from the "too many games" syndrome. The MLB with 180 some games...NBA and NHL with 80'ish. NFL has 16. That's what I like about the NFL. Nearly every single game is highly important and you can't mail one in unless you happen to lock a playoff spot in the last couple weeks. The playoff format is incredibly competitve with the number of spots and the "one and done" nature of it.

I love it. If I want long, drawn out seasons and another couple months worth of playoffs I've got NBA and Hockey.

The NFL is desirable because of the relatively short number of games and the playoff impact of each one. Adding more games just dilutes down what makes it great.
 

smackababy

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The NFL needs a longer season. 16 games isn't enough. Adding more games won't dilute the season, because it is still every team has one game per week. Unlike basketball where you have teams playing every day or baseball where they play twice in one day.

Basketball is only worth watching in the playoffs, and since pretty much every team makes it, the regular season is completely worthless. Baseball is about as interesting as watching paint dry. You'd think with all the steroids, they'd be a lot more interesting to watch.
 

Ban Bot

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IMO they should have 2x Thursday games for all teams and 2x byes, with the byes straddling the Thursday games:

Sunday Game -- Calendar Day 1
Bye following Sunday -- Calendar Day 8
Thursday game (11 days from last game) -- Calendar Day 12
No game on Sunday -- Calendar Day 15
Sunday Game-- Calendar Day 22

This would be 3 games in a 22 day span--typically there are 4 games in the same span.

Do this 2x a season and it means 4 of the game have extra days to recover.

There should be no discussion of more regular season games until such a system is implemented.
 

zinfamous

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The NFL is desirable because of the relatively short number of games and the playoff impact of each one. Adding more games just dilutes down what makes it great.

pretty much how I feel. The best way to kill legitimacy in a league is to start extended playoffs--add four more teams.

no, just...no. screw that. The NBA already allows what, 50% of the league into the playoffs? so terrible.

I like that each game in the NFL is still very important. How would you even disburse those 2 extra games in a reasonable manner? You've already got 2x games for each division rival, and one game each for the two divisions that your division is playing that year. Or am I still missing two games with that?
 

RPD

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The NFL needs a longer season. 16 games isn't enough. Adding more games won't dilute the season, because it is still every team has one game per week. Unlike basketball where you have teams playing every day or baseball where they play twice in one day.

Basketball is only worth watching in the playoffs, and since pretty much every team makes it, the regular season is completely worthless. Baseball is about as interesting as watching paint dry. You'd think with all the steroids, they'd be a lot more interesting to watch.

Are you high? The only problem NFL has is when the season ends because other sports either a) suck to watch on TV or b) have too many games and who cares until playoffs? Oh sorry there's only 50 games left guys quick this next one is SUPER important.
 

Imported

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I think the way it is now is perfect. Gives the players a solid 6 or so months to get healthy for training camp/pre-season.

Adding more games during the week is a bad thing IMO.. Already bad enough we have Thursday Night Football, but to make it 2 games? You'd have to be constantly flipping channels. I already have a hard enough time making it home from work to catch kick off. Oh, I forgot.. I'm on the West Coast. Ignore me NFL like you already do.
 

MetalMat

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It's two more weeks to get f'd up. It's just unnecessary risk. The NFL is really the only professional sport that doesn't suffer from the "too many games" syndrome. The MLB with 180 some games...NBA and NHL with 80'ish. NFL has 16. That's what I like about the NFL. Nearly every single game is highly important and you can't mail one in unless you happen to lock a playoff spot in the last couple weeks. The playoff format is incredibly competitve with the number of spots and the "one and done" nature of it.

I love it. If I want long, drawn out seasons and another couple months worth of playoffs I've got NBA and Hockey.

The NFL is desirable because of the relatively short number of games and the playoff impact of each one. Adding more games just dilutes down what makes it great.

NHL plays 48 games, NBA is 82. The fact that over half the teams get into the playoffs in both leagues is just flat out dumb, waters down regular season games.

Baseball has way too many games but the MLB will never change that due to the dumb records that would affected. Hell they can't even decide on the damn DH rule between leagues, just freakin flip a coin to decide and be done with it forever.
 
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