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zinfamous

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So strange. This has the makings of one of the most competitive, entertaining Superbowls in years...yet this thread seems dead.

where is all the feverish posting?

And perhaps it's my lack of cable, lack of desire to go out of my way to read anything from sports "media," and the fact that everyone here is too bitter to care about this game, but it seems to me that no one is talking about this game. Am I just stranded on some island or something?
 

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I have been avoiding a lot of the sports "media" because most of it is stupid. I am fairly excited, as I think this will be a great game. But, there just isn't much to say about it at this point.

We've been talking about this potential match up for awhile and as it gets closer, none of us really have any more valid information to offer about it.

Maybe we can shift it to the what is the best combination of wings and beer for the viewing of said game? Or, how many great deals on large TVs will be had right afterwards with people returning them?
 
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And perhaps it's my lack of cable, lack of desire to go out of my way to read anything from sports "media," and the fact that everyone here is too bitter to care about this game, but it seems to me that no one is talking about this game. Am I just stranded on some island or something?

There's really not much to say until kickoff. We've been talking about Denver and Seattle all year; great defense versus great offense, all that jazz. What else can we say?

Actually, there is one thing: Menus. We're hosting a party, and I'm thinking I'll do regional beers based on Washington and Colorado. I'm thinking Pike Kilt Lifter for the Seahawks fans and Fat Tire for the Broncos fans, but I'd love suggestions for everyone's favorite Seattle/Denver brew (no Coors Light, thank you much). I tried to convince the wife that we should also do local cuisine, but she nixed my idea of smoked salmon and Rocky Mountain oysters; apparently bull testicles are hard to come by.
 
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zinfamous

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I am probably gong to smoke pig as I usually do, then try out my own version of picklies for the first time--I'm thinking shredded cabbage and carrots, with onion and possibly bell pepper; and likely a version with habeneros.

Add some french sandwich rolls, and maybe those crunchy sprouts and cilantro, so people can try the inaugural version of zinfamous' infamous bhun mi sandwich.

btw, this is what I mean by picklies:



pretty dope, yeah?
 
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zinfamous

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There's really not much to say until kickoff. We've been talking about Denver and Seattle all year; great defense versus great offense, all that jazz. What else can we say?

Actually, there is one thing: Menus. We're hosting a party, and I'm thinking I'll do regional beers based on Washington and Colorado. I'm thinking Pike Kilt Lifter for the Seahawks fans and Fat Tire for the Broncos fans, but I'd love suggestions for everyone's favorite Seattle/Denver brew (no Coors Light, thank you much). I tried to convince the wife that we should also do local cuisine, but she nixed my idea of smoked salmon and Rocky Mountain oysters; apparently bull testicles are hard to come by.

Consider various Rogue ales for the Seattle fans.
 

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I read your post as simply pickles and figured you were just pickling cabbage and carrots. I am not sure if I was correct in that assumption now. =(

I think I might make a homemade pizza for the game as well, even though it will only be me, my girlfriend, and an ugly little rat dog we are dog sitting.
 

zinfamous

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I read your post as simply pickles and figured you were just pickling cabbage and carrots. I am not sure if I was correct in that assumption now. =(

I think I might make a homemade pizza for the game as well, even though it will only be me, my girlfriend, and an ugly little rat dog we are dog sitting.


you are correct. It is apparently spelled Pikliz, though. It is typically Haitian, go figure.

I think cabbage carrots onions and some hot peppers, generally scotch bonnets, lime juice, peppercorns and salt are standard. I might be adding bell peppers and garlic.
 

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Realistically, I think Seattle has to play phenomenal on offense to win this game. Even if they play amazing on defense, Denver is going to put up some points. Seattle will have to be able to put up 30+ to win, which they haven't exactly been doing so far.

I agree (not that my opinion counts) that I think Seattle needs to step up the scoring production a bit. But I don't think it really matter where the scores come from though IMO. The offense has somehow put up 23 points in back to back playoff games against very good defenses. I think things are looking up for the offense, but also think Defense + Special teams could help add in some scoring that, if the offense continues to sputter, could be offset by the other units.

On their offense: True, their offense has looked rough for months; part of that is the defenses they played and part of it is teams are keeping better contain on Wilson--he is great on the run so contain keeps him in the pocket where he does well and can beat the blitz if given time. What he doesn't do well is being stuck in the pocket with a strong push right up the gut which Seattle is vulnerable to pressure up the middle. Teams have figured this out.

IMO this is the way to slow Seattle's Offense down and is how teams have been doing it for a couple months:

Passing Weaknesses:
- Receivers are smaller and not exceptionally fast.
- OL is susceptible to pressure up the middle (weak Guard play).
- TEs and RBs tend to stay in to block to shore up line play.
- Wilson struggles with heavy pressure between the tackles when the flats are taken as he has no safety nets (e.g. Rice would often use his height for a medium out thrown high/outside to exploit the hole in the zone; a running back great out of the backfield on routes other than wide swing routes).

Passing Strengths:
+ Wilson passing on the run (better passing angles to throw receivers open / time to get open).
+ Wilson running on weak contain.
+ Play action--especially on straight drop backs (vs. bootleg).
+ Wilson in the pocket, especially on blitz plays, if adequate protection, especially up the middle, holds up for enough time to take a proper drop back and step.

People nationally are really mistaken on the last point. Wilson is not a bad pocket passer, even with the blitz. The problem is QB pressures. Wilson was #1 or #2 in QB pressures. Seattle's interior line (guards specifically) are really bad at pass blocking and get driven back often. Wilson does NOT do well with pressure up the middle if the flats are contained (against poor pass cover teams Wilson has done well in the pocket; Seattle receivers struggle a lot against better coverage units). So the strategy for months has been simple:

+ Keep edge contain, even if it means floating a player into the flats. SF did some floating; Arizona did a great job holding a wide edge with only modest pressure to force Wilson to stay in the pocket.

+ Focus your pass rush up the middle. You can push back the Seattle guards preventing Wilson from taking a proper drop back. Force him out of the pockets while keeping the edge/flat players in front of him.

+ Bring a safety down. This helps with the run game. It also fills holes from blitzing linebackers. It also clogs up short passing seems in the middle for short quick passes to nullify the blitz.

+ Play press on Seattle receivers. You don't need to jam them, just play the first 7 yards tight to prevent quick passing routes. They are not big enough to get the high/wide outs Rice would pull down and not fast enough to blow past the safety(s). Zone works fine as long as the quicker routes are substantially clogged.

This has forced Seattle to live off the run and big plays. And that is how they have been scoring TDs: Against NO Lynch had the 30+ as well as the 10+ yard rushing scores, Baldwin had the long catch on third down, etc. Against SF Lynch had the 40+ yard run, Kearse got the long pass on the free play/Wilson audible, and the Baldwin bomb on broken pass rush coverage when Wilson scrambled. But they have not been able to sustain drives well, or be effective in the red zone, as teams have caught on: The Seattle pass blocking interior is poor and Seattle doesn't have the personnel at Receiver to force "honest" coverage. Opponents have been banking on minimizing "explosive plays" and force Seattle to be effective in the run game to sustain long drives. All with the hope they themselves score enough and force Wilson into making mistakes. Of course the Defense has really clamped down on opponent scoring and Wilson, for all his recent troubles, has kept Seattle positive in the Turnover Ratio.

I don't think Seattle's MO works against Denver.

You cannot count on Wilson, in the SB, on having a perfectly clean game. So they need to account for this with extra scoring.

On the defensive end you cannot put it all on Seattle's defense, either. This is a team game and they will need help from the O and special teams because Denver can score, fast and in bunches. They can be down 3 1/2 quarters and then drop 2 quick TDs on you. They are great in the red zone. Seattle's doesn't need to fear Denver but they need to respect their potential and tailor their offense to be in a position to support their defense.

Ditto Denver: If Denver goes down 2 touchdowns late and is forced to throw against the LOB, well, good luck with that. If they have hit Manning a handful of times I think late in the game, when it is cold wind, if Denver is forced pass they are playing right into the teeth of the lion.

I hope this game plays up to the build up--not often we get great offenses against great defenses.

Ps- Wilson does need to step up his game, though. The last number of games he has had quite a few near-picks, he been running backwards (!), he has had poor hand offs, fumbling snaps, tried to hand off to the wrong side multiple times, has looked at wide open receivers and froze, has been throwing up medicine balls, made some really un-Wilson like reads & throws, etc. He is still making big plays and mostly taking care of the ball but his play as of late, since the Monday night New Orleans game, has appeared to be, "Just don't screw up" and he seems to be overthinking and making SIMPLE mistakes. I think he feels the pressure of not screw up which Seattle needs to avoid--they need to play to win, not play to not lose. Denver's offense is historically G-R-E-A-T so they need Wilson to cut out the rookie mistakes.

I hope come Monday we aren't all talking about how Wilson fell apart with bad handoffs and fumbled snaps.
 
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Consider various Rogue ales for the Seattle fans.

Rogue is based out of Newport, Oregon. I'm looking for strictly local to the teams that are playing. I'll probably end up with the Great Divide's Denver Pale Ale for the Broncos, but I'm still struggling on the Seahawks brew. Lots of great breweries out of Seattle; Elysian, Pike, Pyramid, Red Hook, etc., but none of them have something that just screams "football." Doesn't help that the west coast is so into IPAs, porters and stouts, and while those are all excellent styles, they're kind of shit for watching sports. Pike Kilt Lifter is still leading the pack, even though it's a little heavy for a good football game.
 

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So strange. This has the makings of one of the most competitive, entertaining Superbowls in years...yet this thread seems dead.

I tried to spice it up with the Harvin question :'(

So another one:

Is Russell Wilson only a good game manager?

And does he need to be more than a game manager for Seattle to beat Denver?

Some stats to spice up the debate:

* Most TD passes as a rookie (26t w/ Manning); 2nd (52t Manning) first two seasons, behind Marino
* First player to have 100.0+ Passer rating in first two seasons
* Most wins first 2 seasons
* 3rd in rushing yards (QBs) in 2013
* 8x 4th quarter comebacks, 10x game winning drives

Where do defense, receivers, line play factor in?
 

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I think Wilson is a good QB, but he suffers from his mediocre O-line and just general inexperience. He has the throw on the run, rather than tuck it and go mentality, which is great, but he often misses things or makes some general mistakes that just take time and experience under playoff pressure to fix. Bad hand offs, dropped snaps, etc, will drop after he gets cooler under the pressure.

I have little doubt he is a great player. I think a lot of his success has also been because of Seattle's stellar defensive performances. When you don't get teams putting you in huge point deficits, he doesn't have as much pressure they must score on that drive and can afford a 3 and out.
 

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Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Nick Foles
Josh McCown
Russell Wilson

Top 5 "starting" QB's in Yards per Attempt.

Only Pryor and Kaepernick had more rushing yards.

Those aren't stats you put on a "Game managing QB".
 

zinfamous

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I tried to spice it up with the Harvin question :'(

So another one:

Is Russell Wilson only a good game manager?

And does he need to be more than a game manager for Seattle to beat Denver?

Some stats to spice up the debate:

* Most TD passes as a rookie (26t w/ Manning); 2nd (52t Manning) first two seasons, behind Marino
* First player to have 100.0+ Passer rating in first two seasons
* Most wins first 2 seasons
* 3rd in rushing yards (QBs) in 2013
* 8x 4th quarter comebacks, 10x game winning drives

Where do defense, receivers, line play factor in?

He's more than just a good game manager. He certainly made a shitty NCSU team look generally competitive for the 3 seasons that he was there.
 

zinfamous

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Rogue is based out of Newport, Oregon. I'm looking for strictly local to the teams that are playing. I'll probably end up with the Great Divide's Denver Pale Ale for the Broncos, but I'm still struggling on the Seahawks brew. Lots of great breweries out of Seattle; Elysian, Pike, Pyramid, Red Hook, etc., but none of them have something that just screams "football." Doesn't help that the west coast is so into IPAs, porters and stouts, and while those are all excellent styles, they're kind of shit for watching sports. Pike Kilt Lifter is still leading the pack, even though it's a little heavy for a good football game.

Red Hook and especially Pyramid have gone way downhill, recently. They are almost like Sam Adams in terms of production now.

pfft--I drink porters while watching football! There are also some great Ambers and Pale ales coming from the west coast, and I'd consider those football friendly, if still on the heavy side.
 

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Consider various Rogue ales for the Seattle fans.

While I love Rogue beer for the most part, they are brewed in Oregon.

Here is a link to WA beers on totalwine.com if it helps. Personally, I would go with what WA beers are known for: Hops. No idea how many beers he needs, but maybe something from Elysian? Some IPA's and Pale Ales will do no wrong.

BTW, I too am smoking pork, a Boston Butt. Easy way to feed a lot of people. But this year doing it with family, so it will be a bit different, lots of kids will be there.

http://www.totalwine.com/eng/categories/beer/united-states/washington
 

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I think Wilson is a good QB, but he suffers from his mediocre O-line and just general inexperience. He has the throw on the run, rather than tuck it and go mentality, which is great, but he often misses things or makes some general mistakes that just take time and experience under playoff pressure to fix. Bad hand offs, dropped snaps, etc, will drop after he gets cooler under the pressure.

I have little doubt he is a great player. I think a lot of his success has also been because of Seattle's stellar defensive performances. When you don't get teams putting you in huge point deficits, he doesn't have as much pressure they must score on that drive and can afford a 3 and out.

Sounds like Manny's Pale Ale of Mac and Jacks African Amber would be perfect, but I think you would only find them in 1/2 kegs. I posted a link above to WA beers on totalwine.com if it helps you. Even pale ales from here would be hoppy-er than other regions I imagine, so you get what the area is known for, but without the heaviness of IPA's and Porters that you wish to avoid.
 

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Red Hook and especially Pyramid have gone way downhill, recently. They are almost like Sam Adams in terms of production now.

Indeed. 15 years ago I lived in Woodinville, WA and would bike to the Redhook brewpub after work or on the weekends. Even ten years ago Redhook was going downhill as they ramped up production and were bought by one of the macros. Which sucks, along time ago Redhook ESB was my intro to craft beers, and was my goto beer for quite awhile.

Never cared much for Pyramid, although their brewpub right across from the stadiums here in Seattle is very handy before a game and it is a little better fresh out of a keg than what you get in the stores.
 

zinfamous

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Indeed. 15 years ago I lived in Woodinville, WA and would bike to the Redhook brewpub after work or on the weekends. Even ten years ago Redhook was going downhill as they ramped up production and were bought by one of the macros. Which sucks, along time ago Redhook ESB was my intro to craft beers, and was my goto beer for quite awhile.

Never cared much for Pyramid, although their brewpub right across from the stadiums here in Seattle is very handy before a game and it is a little better fresh out of a keg than what you get in the stores.

exactly. ESB never was the same after this label disappeared:




I once visited the Brewery they have in New Hampshire, and tried some Starbucks porter that they brewed in very limited release. It was glorious. Winterhook was once my favorite beer all year-long, and I bought tons of that in season. I can't remember when I last liked one of those batches--much less when I last saw it in the beer isle. This was certainly more than 10 years ago (about 1999-2000, iirc).

Pyramid, I used to like some of their stuff, but after a friend of mine worked at the brewpub here in Berkeley for a little over a year, and was supplying everyone with free beers for a while, I got sick of it quick. Eventually, all of their stuff tastes like a slightly different version of the same watery type of beer. I'm pretty sure I can blindly distinguish any type of Pyramid beer from any similar beer from another brewery.

I mention Rogue, because while I know they are OR, they have a big brew pub/distributer outside of Seattle, don't they? Shit, might as well be the same state/region. They are all likely Seahawk's fans, anyway.
 
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Sounds like Manny's Pale Ale of Mac and Jacks African Amber would be perfect, but I think you would only find them in 1/2 kegs. I posted a link above to WA beers on totalwine.com if it helps you. Even pale ales from here would be hoppy-er than other regions I imagine, so you get what the area is known for, but without the heaviness of IPA's and Porters that you wish to avoid.

I had forgotten about Manny's; they have it on tap at my favorite pool hall, and it's delicious. Unfortunately, it's also not available in any local bottle shops. Dammit. It turns out there's a Washington brewery producing something called "12th Man Pale Ale," which probably isn't terribly good, but should work nicely in terms of a gimmicky fan beer.

 

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exactly. ESB never was the same after this label disappeared:




I once visited the Brewery they have in New Hampshire, and tried some Starbucks porter that they brewed in very limited release. It was glorious. Winterhook was once my favorite beer all year-long, and I bought tons of that in season. I can't remember when I last liked one of those batches--much less when I last saw it in the beer isle. This was certainly more than 10 years ago (about 1999-2000, iirc).

Pyramid, I used to like some of their stuff, but after a friend of mine worked at the brewpub here in Berkeley for a little over a year, and was supplying everyone with free beers for a while, I got sick of it quick. Eventually, all of their stuff tastes like a slightly different version of the same watery type of beer. I'm pretty sure I can blindly distinguish any type of Pyramid beer from any similar beer from another brewery.

I mention Rogue, because while I know they are OR, they have a big brew pub/distributer outside of Seattle, don't they? Shit, might as well be the same state/region. They are all likely Seahawk's fans, anyway.

I know, I was just giving you some shit. Not sure what Rogues distributorship is like outside the Seattle area, but we can buy many of their regulars and seasonals in 6 packs and 22's down to grocery store level here. The last Rogue "Brewpub" I frequented was the one in Issaquah. While they always had an awesome selection, I put the quotes up around brewpub because they never brewed there that I saw over the several years I went there, even though they had the equipment. Or at least made it look like they did, there was huge copper vats and other supplies. Maybe it was decommissioned, and they brew only in OR now, I dunno.

OR is Seahawk country, but Oregonians have long had an inferiority complex with WA, and in particular, Seattle. And for some reason, they think the solution is contrived pretentiousness.

edit: you are dead on with the ESB label and the beers demise. That label brings back some memories for sure, and has always been one of my all time favorite beer labels. Now days, you can tell Redhooks label and packaging have suffered some marketing and branding departments douchebaggery after they were acquired by some Macro. You can instantly recognize Redhook packaging despite the style, the fonts and their locations are all the same, just coloring and words change if that makes sense.
 
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OR is Seahawk country, but Oregonians have long had an inferiority complex with WA, and in particular, Seattle. And for some reason, they think the solution is contrived pretentiousness.

To be fair, there are a lot of transplants from Colorado coming to Oregon, so there's a healthy Broncos population here as well. And part of the reason Portland has an issue with Seattle is that we're always just lumped in together despite being a couple hundred miles apart and from different states. You wouldn't just lump Providence, RI in with New York City (and not just because Providence is closer to Boston). Expecting everyone in Portland to be a Seahawks fan because it's the most geographically close NFL franchise is ridiculous. Are all Seattleites big supporters of the Blazers now that the Sonics are gone? Of course not, and it would be stupid to suggest it. But that line of logic is what Fox used when they drew up a contract for exclusive rights to broadcast Seahawks games in the Portland-metro area. Up until a couple years ago when the Seahawks actually started playing good football, we here in Portland missed out on plenty of good 49ers or Packers games because Fox had to broadcast the Seahawks playing terrible football that nobody wanted to watch. And speaking of the 49ers, southern Oregon is actually geographically closer to San Francisco than Seattle, and there are large segments of southern Oregon and the coast that are huge Niners fans and dislike the Seahawks because of the division rivalry.

I'm not hating on the Seahawks, mind you; I actually like the brand of football they've been playing the last couple years. But let's not kid ourselves and act like Oregon is in diehard lockstep with the 12th man appeal.
 

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To be fair, there are a lot of transplants from Colorado coming to Oregon, so there's a healthy Broncos population here as well. And part of the reason Portland has an issue with Seattle is that we're always just lumped in together despite being a couple hundred miles apart and from different states. You wouldn't just lump Providence, RI in with New York City (and not just because Providence is closer to Boston). Expecting everyone in Portland to be a Seahawks fan because it's the most geographically close NFL franchise is ridiculous. Are all Seattleites big supporters of the Blazers now that the Sonics are gone? Of course not, and it would be stupid to suggest it. But that line of logic is what Fox used when they drew up a contract for exclusive rights to broadcast Seahawks games in the Portland-metro area. Up until a couple years ago when the Seahawks actually started playing good football, we here in Portland missed out on plenty of good 49ers or Packers games because Fox had to broadcast the Seahawks playing terrible football that nobody wanted to watch. And speaking of the 49ers, southern Oregon is actually geographically closer to San Francisco than Seattle, and there are large segments of southern Oregon and the coast that are huge Niners fans and dislike the Seahawks because of the division rivalry.

I'm not hating on the Seahawks, mind you; I actually like the brand of football they've been playing the last couple years. But let's not kid ourselves and act like Oregon is in diehard lockstep with the 12th man appeal.

Woah, slow down there hot rod!

By "Seahawks country" I meant that according to NFL policy, same with Idaho, Montana, and Alaska. I apologize for the confusion, I should have been more clear.

I don't follow the NBA, but ever since the Sonics were stolen, Seattle is probably considered "Blazers country" by the NBA for the same reasons.

I think they make up these layers for TV broadcasting reasons, so which game is broadcasted in each region is determined before hand.

ps: for everyone else, Atomic Playboys post is a classic example of the angst that is fostered from Oregonians inferiority complex in relation to all things WA and Seattle. I should probably forward this to some psychologists or the WA State Guard or something. :whiste:

edit: and for Atomic Playboy, I actually really like Oregon, it is very beautiful and diverse in its landscapes, which is what I like about the NW. We can be to the oceans, rain forest, desert, major river (Columbia), sounds, islands, awesome freshwater lakes like Crater, wine country, tallest mountains like Hood and Rainier, glaciers, alpine areas, skiing, great major cities like Portland and Seattle, .etc all in a couple hours. There is just such a huge diversity to choose from and a classic way of seeing some is the drive along the Columbia starting as far east as possible as I am sure you are aware of.
 
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edit: and for Atomic Playboy, I actually really like Oregon, it is very beautiful and diverse in its landscapes, which is what I like about the NW. We can be to the oceans, rain forest, desert, major river (Columbia), sounds, islands, awesome freshwater lakes like Crater, wine country, tallest mountains like Hood and Rainier, glaciers, alpine areas, skiing, great major cities like Portland and Seattle, .etc all in a couple hours. There is just such a huge diversity to choose from and a classic way of seeing some is the drive along the Columbia starting as far east as possible as I am sure you are aware of.

Indeed. And I don't mean to come across as though I'm ranting against Seattle or Washington. It's just silly to me that people always lump Portland and Seattle together when they're 180 miles apart and in different states. Then again, I do the exact same thing when I think about the South. Or Midwest. Or Northeast. Or any other country on Earth. Or continent for that matter. Come to think of it, I'm really quite hypocritical in that regard. But that's all irrelevant. The important thing is, this isn't fucking Seahawks country.

 

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Indeed. And I don't mean to come across as though I'm ranting against Seattle or Washington. It's just silly to me that people always lump Portland and Seattle together when they're 180 miles apart and in different states. Then again, I do the exact same thing when I think about the South. Or Midwest. Or Northeast. Or any other country on Earth. Or continent for that matter. Come to think of it, I'm really quite hypocritical in that regard. But that's all irrelevant. The important thing is, this isn't fucking Seahawks country.


Oh yeah, I hear you. What also bothers me is that to many east coasters we are for all intents and purposes South Alaska.

Did you read my clarification in regards to the "Seahawks country" comment? It was just in regards to NFL policy, and poorly worded on my part.
 

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I agree (not that my opinion counts) that I think Seattle needs to step up the scoring production a bit. But I don't think it really matter where the scores come from though IMO. The offense has somehow put up 23 points in back to back playoff games against very good defenses. I think things are looking up for the offense, but also think Defense + Special teams could help add in some scoring that, if the offense continues to sputter, could be offset by the other units.

On their offense: True, their offense has looked rough for months; part of that is the defenses they played and part of it is teams are keeping better contain on Wilson--he is great on the run so contain keeps him in the pocket where he does well and can beat the blitz if given time. What he doesn't do well is being stuck in the pocket with a strong push right up the gut which Seattle is vulnerable to pressure up the middle. Teams have figured this out.

IMO this is the way to slow Seattle's Offense down and is how teams have been doing it for a couple months:

Passing Weaknesses:
- Receivers are smaller and not exceptionally fast.
- OL is susceptible to pressure up the middle (weak Guard play).
- TEs and RBs tend to stay in to block to shore up line play.
- Wilson struggles with heavy pressure between the tackles when the flats are taken as he has no safety nets (e.g. Rice would often use his height for a medium out thrown high/outside to exploit the hole in the zone; a running back great out of the backfield on routes other than wide swing routes).

Passing Strengths:
+ Wilson passing on the run (better passing angles to throw receivers open / time to get open).
+ Wilson running on weak contain.
+ Play action--especially on straight drop backs (vs. bootleg).
+ Wilson in the pocket, especially on blitz plays, if adequate protection, especially up the middle, holds up for enough time to take a proper drop back and step.

People nationally are really mistaken on the last point. Wilson is not a bad pocket passer, even with the blitz. The problem is QB pressures. Wilson was #1 or #2 in QB pressures. Seattle's interior line (guards specifically) are really bad at pass blocking and get driven back often. Wilson does NOT do well with pressure up the middle if the flats are contained (against poor pass cover teams Wilson has done well in the pocket; Seattle receivers struggle a lot against better coverage units). So the strategy for months has been simple:

+ Keep edge contain, even if it means floating a player into the flats. SF did some floating; Arizona did a great job holding a wide edge with only modest pressure to force Wilson to stay in the pocket.

+ Focus your pass rush up the middle. You can push back the Seattle guards preventing Wilson from taking a proper drop back. Force him out of the pockets while keeping the edge/flat players in front of him.

+ Bring a safety down. This helps with the run game. It also fills holes from blitzing linebackers. It also clogs up short passing seems in the middle for short quick passes to nullify the blitz.

+ Play press on Seattle receivers. You don't need to jam them, just play the first 7 yards tight to prevent quick passing routes. They are not big enough to get the high/wide outs Rice would pull down and not fast enough to blow past the safety(s). Zone works fine as long as the quicker routes are substantially clogged.

This has forced Seattle to live off the run and big plays. And that is how they have been scoring TDs: Against NO Lynch had the 30+ as well as the 10+ yard rushing scores, Baldwin had the long catch on third down, etc. Against SF Lynch had the 40+ yard run, Kearse got the long pass on the free play/Wilson audible, and the Baldwin bomb on broken pass rush coverage when Wilson scrambled. But they have not been able to sustain drives well, or be effective in the red zone, as teams have caught on: The Seattle pass blocking interior is poor and Seattle doesn't have the personnel at Receiver to force "honest" coverage. Opponents have been banking on minimizing "explosive plays" and force Seattle to be effective in the run game to sustain long drives. All with the hope they themselves score enough and force Wilson into making mistakes. Of course the Defense has really clamped down on opponent scoring and Wilson, for all his recent troubles, has kept Seattle positive in the Turnover Ratio.

I don't think Seattle's MO works against Denver.

You cannot count on Wilson, in the SB, on having a perfectly clean game. So they need to account for this with extra scoring.

On the defensive end you cannot put it all on Seattle's defense, either. This is a team game and they will need help from the O and special teams because Denver can score, fast and in bunches. They can be down 3 1/2 quarters and then drop 2 quick TDs on you. They are great in the red zone. Seattle's doesn't need to fear Denver but they need to respect their potential and tailor their offense to be in a position to support their defense.

Ditto Denver: If Denver goes down 2 touchdowns late and is forced to throw against the LOB, well, good luck with that. If they have hit Manning a handful of times I think late in the game, when it is cold wind, if Denver is forced pass they are playing right into the teeth of the lion.

I hope this game plays up to the build up--not often we get great offenses against great defenses.

Ps- Wilson does need to step up his game, though. The last number of games he has had quite a few near-picks, he been running backwards (!), he has had poor hand offs, fumbling snaps, tried to hand off to the wrong side multiple times, has looked at wide open receivers and froze, has been throwing up medicine balls, made some really un-Wilson like reads & throws, etc. He is still making big plays and mostly taking care of the ball but his play as of late, since the Monday night New Orleans game, has appeared to be, "Just don't screw up" and he seems to be overthinking and making SIMPLE mistakes. I think he feels the pressure of not screw up which Seattle needs to avoid--they need to play to win, not play to not lose. Denver's offense is historically G-R-E-A-T so they need Wilson to cut out the rookie mistakes.

I hope come Monday we aren't all talking about how Wilson fell apart with bad handoffs and fumbled snaps.

Did you just write all that and forget about the most dynamic athlete on the field, Percy Harvin? Uhh. Name one person on Denver that can cover him. Doh. At least you mentioned how bad Seattle's pass blocking (yet forgot they equally abysmal run blocking - both in the mid 20's grading per PFF). Between Wilson, Lynch, and Harvin they have gamebreaking ability at any given moment just like Denver. The only difference is that Denver has a superior O-Line, but hopefully Seattle's brilliant pass coverage (Maxwell and Sherman in the top 10 in the league) can neutralize that. Not to mention their OLB's Smith and Irvin are #11/12 in pass coverage.
 
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