OFFICIAL Survivor: Heroes v. Villains Thread (starting Feb. 11, 2010)

[purbeast0]

i mean as stated plenty of times in this thread, russel didnt play every aspect of the game great. his social game sucks big time and he is just a dick.

he knew before he played that if he made it to the end that it isnt up to him who wins and that it is up to the people you lived with and voted off to get there, to decide who is deserving of the money.

whatever their reasons are of who is 'deserving' is up to them and only them.

and from past seasons, i really cannot see why anybody is surprised at this outcome. if you are a dick to people you aren't going to get their votes, regardless how good you (think you) played every aspect of the game.

 

[kalrith]

Why? Sandra played it perfectly. When you know the other tribe is going to be on the jury, it wouldn't hurt your chances of trying to make alliances/friends with them prior to them getting voted off. Sandra repeatedly tried to warn the Heroes about Russell. They didn't believe or ignored her and each of them were sent packing. Rupert's speech is probably what got Sandra the win because he thanked her for trying to warn them and said it was the Heroes fault that they were on the jury. Also, Sandra voted for each one of the Heroes that went home and wound up getting all their votes in the end.

If you look at the final votes, Courtney was the only villain who voted for Sandra, but all the heroes voted for her. Rupert's speech definitely helped her out, and the heroes voted for her as if she were one of their own.

sandra played it like some debris stuck in the flotsam in the sea that managed to wash ashore. as your own description of her accomplishment says, her strategic and in game play did absolute jack to help anyone that was in the jury other than seem the least offensive because of her lack of abilities. maybe if they went back to a two person final this stupid shit could be avoided.

I think I like the two-person finales better. For one, the person who wins the last individual immunity chooses who they stand next to at the final tribal council. It also makes it a clear either-or decision. For example, if it were just Parvati against Sandra, then Parvati might've not seemed as evil to the heroes as she did with Russell next to her.

The one aspect I always hate in Survivor is that the least-offensive (usually coat-tail rider) at the finals gets the million, which basically means the person who did the least, tried the least, etc. gets the reward. Unfortunately this often happens in real life as well, and it's just part of the game. As far as changing the voting method, I don't think that would help. If you look at shows like American Idol and Dancing with the Stars, America does a worse job at voting than the Survivor cast IMO.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Well there is not much change in the way this game or the previous one ended. I hated the outcomes but I thorouly enjoyed both seasons.
Ill keep watching and hope they can improve the way the game ends.

I understand it's not the producers fault, and it truly was a great season, but I'm getting sick of whiny bitches who refuse to admit they've been outwitted, outlasted, and outplayed.

Seriously, Sandra won? Her strategy was to get rid of Russell and that didn't work. She was lame in the challenges and rode Russell and Parvati's coattails to the end. Only pathetic whiny bitches would vote for her.

 

[Number1]

I understand it's not the producers fault, and it truly was a great season, but I'm getting sick of whiny bitches who refuse to admit they've been outwitted, outlasted, and outplayed.

Seriously, Sandra won? Her strategy was to get rid of Russell and that didn't work. She was lame in the challenges and rode Russell and Parvati's coattails to the end. Only pathetic whiny bitches would vote for her.

I completely agree, very frustrating in the end.

 

[Miramonti]

Russell may not have won the $1m, but if Amber did indeed get a $500k appearance fee to return, Russell is sure to get a $1m offering to show up again imo.

He was the heart[less] and soul[less] of what made this season great, and probably what made Cbs a lot of money thru out the show.

 

[her209]

Her strategy was to get rid of Russell and that didn't work.

It didn't work because of the Heroes. Sandra brought that up at tribal council and the Heroes on the jury acknowledged it.

 

[fustercluck]

coworker walks in - says are you surprised?

I say huh?

That sandra won.

I said.. I haven't watched it yet.

She says - SORRY! At least you won't be surprised now..

BITCH!!!!!!!

So pissed right now I was helping my brother move over the weekend so I had it recorded. MUTHER F'ER

Yeah there's no way to not get spoiled these days - You have to almost watch it live. No internet, or other TV, or going outside, until you have watched the whole thing.

Russell may not have won the $1m, but if Amber did indeed get a $500k appearance fee to return, Russell is sure to get a $1m offering to show up again imo.

If they give Russel 1m just to show up for another season he should just ask everyone in the tribe to vote him off immediately - Why would he stick around if he has no chance of winning?

There's no way he's going to play another season unless they pay him to. He could make it to the end in every survivor and they would never vote for him.

 

[Miramonti]

If they give Russel 1m just to show up for another season he should just ask everyone in the tribe to vote him off immediately - Why would he stick around if he has no chance of winning?

There's no way he's going to play another season unless they pay him to. He could make it to the end in every survivor and they would never vote for him.

If I got paid, I might take the $1m and skate, lol, but given Russell's ego and eagerness to show he's a master at the game, he'd be as dangerous as ever.

As has been pointed out before...a player that has nothing to lose can be fvcking dangerous, and he might even play harder. I think that's something Cbs would bank on too.

 

[Miramonti]

A pretty well written message to Russell on what appears to be a fan site, russellhantz.org.

Hello Mr. Hantz,

The only reason I am making this public is because I have contacted your representatives directly and there is simply too much fan mail we are getting to bombard you with. The following message is a basic contemplation of the countless emails and comments we have received.

With the Heroes v.s. Villains coming to an end, the general consensus is “Wow.” Even after 19 seasons of Survivor, Russell, you are still showing us methods, tactics, visions, and an attitude we have never seen before. Hands down, you are the most unique character that will probably ever get to play the game of Survivor. You have changed the way Survivor will be played forever.

With every great player, there is an army of haters, as is there an army of fans. That is inevitable. There are countless aspects to your real life that go uncharted to many and personally, for me (the owner of RussellHantz.org), is none of their business. People need to take Survivor off of a personal level and look at it as a game. The haters do not have this ability. They cannot overlook the smug comments, the amazing game you played to destroy their favorite players, and the general arrogant persona displayed on television. I, and your fans, have come to terms with your attitude and regardless of how we feel about that aspect of you, we can’t help ourselves but love you for your game.

We love Survivor, we know what it is about, and that is why we can respect everything you have done for the show. Not only do we respect you as a player, Russell, you have revived a show growing stale. You have brought a light to abyss of Survivor. I hope you honestly never doubt that. I hope you stand strong through the countless torture of listening to idiots bash you.

I do not care what a player does in real life or how they act. I watch this show to see how people will play for a million dollars. But, in this scenario, we do care about your real life. I hope and pray that everything in your life is strong because of family and friends and I wish you all nothing but a long and healthy life together filled with happiness.

You deserve the absolute best in real life, as do most people, and we cannot stress enough how much you cannot let the haters bother you.

We would love to hold an exclusive interview with you Russell, we have contacted Naomi if you would like to make a response that way or through our contact form is fine. I believe there is going to be many interviews with you of people who are not asking the right questions and I think you deserve to be heard through an interviewer who is not looking to pounce you with garbage propaganda and questions.

Again, we wish you the absolute best of luck with your life and your future Survivor seasons.

 

[PricklyPete]

A pretty well written message to Russell on what appears to be a fan site, russellhantz.org.

I don't know...the guy needs to get a life if he's setup a fan site for Russell. While I can respect Russell for his gameplay...he clearly does not know how to play the "whole game" and he comes across as an ass in real-life. I guess everyone needs their heros...but this guy needs to start setting his expectations higher.

 

[kalrith]

I think there is. If Russell broke down; said he was sorry hurting everyone, that it was just for the game, and that he wished he hadn't done it; basically groveled before the jury; and actually made himself believable, then I think he might have a shot at the million.

He'd need an academy-award performance to pull it off, and I don't think Russell would even consider doing that. He'd say, "I'm Russell Hantz. The jury should be groveling before me."

I was quite pleased to see Rupert at the final tribal council say almost the same thing I did a few days ago.

 

[zylander]

How the FUCK did Sandra win?! She did NOTHING the entire game, NOTHING! She sucked ass at every single challenge, she made no strategic moves and she barely had a social game, she barely made friends with anyone. She kept talking about how she did this and that to make her way through the game and become a finalist...bull shit, she did nothing and she didnt make it to the final, she was TAKEN to the final. During the first half of the game she was never voted off because there were always bigger fish to fry. During the last half of the game she was never voted off because she sucked so much ass and was not a threat.

Most of the heros on the Jury voted for her simply because they didnt like the other two finalists. Sandra even fucked over the heros by saying she was going to help them get rid of Russell and then flopped and voted off a hero.

Rupert....ah Rupert all high and mighty calling Russell a disgusting deceitful human being. Rupert hated Russell because Russell lied and deceived people in the game. But, at the reunion show Rupert is talking about how he himself has lied, cheated, stole and deceived in this game.

Once again Russell lost because everyone was so butt hurt that he voted them off. EVERYONE does the same shit he does, everybody makes and breaks alliances, everyone lies, everyone deceives, its PART OF THE GAME. Hell, our beloved winner the loud mouthed Puerto Rican bitch stole Russells hat and threw it in the fire. Everyone does the same shit Russell does, Russell just does it more hard core.

I truly believe Russell deserved to win but I wouldnt have been too upset if Parvarti won either but for Sandra to win..are you fucking kidding?!? I have lost all faith in this show and am done watching. Ill leave with season 20 being what was one of the best seasons that just ended on a horrible note.

 

[Number1]

A pretty well written message to Russell on what appears to be a fan site, russellhantz.org.

I admire Russell for his game play, BUT:

He probably treat people in real life the same way he played. I would not want to know him in real life.

 

[purbeast0]

How the FUCK did Sandra win?! She did NOTHING the entire game, NOTHING! She sucked ass at every single challenge, she made no strategic moves and she barely had a social game, she barely made friends with anyone. She kept talking about how she did this and that to make her way through the game and become a finalist...bull shit, she did nothing and she didnt make it to the final, she was TAKEN to the final. During the first half of the game she was never voted off because there were always bigger fish to fry. During the last half of the game she was never voted off because she sucked so much ass and was not a threat.

Most of the heros on the Jury voted for her simply because they didnt like the other two finalists. Sandra even fucked over the heros by saying she was going to help them get rid of Russell and then flopped and voted off a hero.

Rupert....ah Rupert all high and mighty calling Russell a disgusting deceitful human being. Rupert hated Russell because Russell lied and deceived people in the game. But, at the reunion show Rupert is talking about how he himself has lied, cheated, stole and deceived in this game.

Once again Russell lost because everyone was so butt hurt that he voted them off. EVERYONE does the same shit he does, everybody makes and breaks alliances, everyone lies, everyone deceives, its PART OF THE GAME. Hell, our beloved winner the loud mouthed Puerto Rican bitch stole Russells hat and threw it in the fire. Everyone does the same shit Russell does, Russell just does it more hard core.

I truly believe Russell deserved to win but I wouldnt have been too upset if Parvarti won either but for Sandra to win..are you fucking kidding?!? I have lost all faith in this show and am done watching. Ill leave with season 20 being what was one of the best seasons that just ended on a horrible note.

Sandra played the social game better than any of the other finalists did, that is why she won. She was CONSTANTLY warning the heroes about Russel, thus the heroes gave her their vote. She was trying to help them rid of Russel talking about him being a threat, but again they all ignored her and ended up on the jury.

and yes, everyone lies and deceives. but they aren't 100% assholes as russel is and go around gloating about every good move they make, and then just be a complete ass saying if you arent with me you will go home.

his social game is the worst of any finalists in the history of survivor, and that is why he lost and will lose every time if he plays the same way.

i truly think if russel played the game his same exact way as far as his moves went, but wasn't such a cocky, arrogant, dickhead to everyone, that he would have had an honest shot at winning. but he didnt.

from the final tribal council, i got the vibe that russel was a huge joke of the ponderosa camp.

 

[her209]

his social game is the worst of any finalists in the history of survivor, and that is why he lost and will lose every time if he plays the same way.

i truly think if russel played the game his same exact way as far as his moves went, but wasn't such a cocky, arrogant, dickhead to everyone, that he would have had an honest shot at winning. but he didnt.

I wonder if its true what Danielle said about Russell. He sits around and just follows people around to see what they are doing, who they are talking to, etc. Then after the conversation is done, he goes up to them and grills them on what they talked about.

from the final tribal council, i got the vibe that russel was a huge joke of the ponderosa camp.

Just watch the "Life at Ponderosa" videos on the CBS website. Everyone hates his guts.

 

[Miramonti]

I admire Russell for his game play, BUT:

He probably treat people in real life the same way he played. I would not want to know him in real life.

I think that's the assumption all his opponents make as well.

However he doesn't have a criminal record that people know about, nor court cases that people have found against him (I'm certain people would have looked by now.) And he does have his own business that involves good relationships with his customers.

I haven't seen any indications he 'blurs the line' by thinking he is 'this great' in his personal life, except he admits he's a control freak (so am I to an extent.) No question he does have a passion for this game.

So while I don't consider him a hero, he's just so fvcking entertaining and effective in this 39-day game, I don't necessarily come to the same conclusion about him personally outside the game.

 

[fustercluck]

I'd like to see a national poll of some kind and see what % thought Sandra deserved to win. I bet it would be no higher than 30%. Still can't believe they voted for her, or that anyone could make the case for her winning over Pavarti and Russel.

ps I heard Russel is signed to do Dancing With the Stars - Don't know how he'll do but glad he's still getting spotlight. Can't imagine dancing is one of his strong suites. I've never seen the show either.

 

[JujuFish]

Parvati should have won. Even Russell admitted as much. Damn shame Sandra won.

 

[Homerboy]

I'd like to see a national poll of some kind and see what % thought Sandra deserved to win. I bet it would be no higher than 30%. Still can't believe they voted for her, or that anyone could make the case for her winning over Pavarti and Russel.

ps I heard Russel is signed to do Dancing With the Stars - Don't know how he'll do but glad he's still getting spotlight. Can't imagine dancing is one of his strong suites. I've never seen the show either.

IT doesn't matter what the public thinks. They weren't on the island. They didn't live with these people or were affected by them. As Probst said to Russel "That's a different show"

 

[Spineshank]

For those saying Russel's social game sucks is dead wrong. He made so many alliances, back stabbed so many people, and yet STILL was able to get people to trust him late in the game. You need good social skills for that. Does he suck at ass kissing? yes. Was he arrogant? yes. But then again, he deserved it. I am convinced that the best strategy in this show is to be a non threat. So many people have won that way. Sandra even claims that was her strategy.

 

[lupi]

For those saying Russel's social game sucks is dead wrong. He made so many alliances, back stabbed so many people, and yet STILL was able to get people to trust him late in the game. You need good social skills for that. Does he suck at ass kissing? yes. Was he arrogant? yes. But then again, he deserved it. I am convinced that the best strategy in this show is to be a non threat. So many people have won that way. Sandra even claims that was her strategy.

yep, a whole lot of people loved and needed russel at either one point or for a majority of the game. i'm now convinced that he lost for the same reason the one chick that popped her shoulder said she knew going in she probably wouldn't win cause she didn't keep up with all the reunions and get togethers with each other. while russel knew the results of the previous, this is the first time the rest are seeing him and that probably had a lot of outsider impact on the vote.

him losing the first competition was still simply a very large douchebaggery effect. a shame really, could have not only had him as the first two time champ (particularly since the other two finalist this time were winners), but taking it in back to back would have gone down as epic lore.

 

[guyver01]

I'd like to see a national poll of some kind and see what % thought Sandra deserved to win.

We only see what the producers want us to see... there's still a million + hours we dont see... Hell... if Russel ran his mouth the whole time (like Jeff seemed to Imply) like he did during the Reunion Show... i wouldn't vote for him just because he would annoy me to hell with the stupid stories.

 

[cronos]

For those saying Russel's social game sucks is dead wrong. He made so many alliances, back stabbed so many people, and yet STILL was able to get people to trust him late in the game. You need good social skills for that. Does he suck at ass kissing? yes. Was he arrogant? yes. But then again, he deserved it. I am convinced that the best strategy in this show is to be a non threat. So many people have won that way. Sandra even claims that was her strategy.

We just see what the producers want us to see, as if Russell controlled everything the whole game. After watching that last episode how can you still think that people actually 'trust' him late in the game? They just realized that it's so easy to play him and made him be the super villain and keep him around. He became the safest bet to take to the final three. They were right. Nobody voted for him.

 

[Miramonti]

For those saying Russel's social game sucks is dead wrong. He made so many alliances, back stabbed so many people, and yet STILL was able to get people to trust him late in the game. You need good social skills for that. Does he suck at ass kissing? yes. Was he arrogant? yes. But then again, he deserved it. I am convinced that the best strategy in this show is to be a non threat. So many people have won that way. Sandra even claims that was her strategy.

Agreed. He creates a main alliance and primary partner, but has an elastic plan where he's able to work almost anyone (and not afraid to in the least), depending on need, as the game advances. He got Tyson to change his vote yet I had no idea he even had a rapport with him before that. That's why he has so many haters on the jury...he's just about worked them all, and then put all in his firing line.

Most people have probably never met someone so convincing, yet so cunning and deceiving.

 

[Miramonti]

We just see what the producers want us to see, as if Russell controlled everything the whole game. After watching that last episode how can you still think that people actually 'trust' him late in the game? They just realized that it's so easy to play him and made him be the super villain and keep him around. He became the safest bet to take to the final three. They were right. Nobody voted for him.

He's a double-edged sword. To keep him around assures you have a better chance winning the $1m against him in the finals. But then again, you don't really keep Russell around, he keeps you around.