OFFICIAL Survivor: Heroes v. Villains Thread (starting Feb. 11, 2010)

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abaez

Diamond Member
Jan 28, 2000
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Good god. When people ask who they think is a good survivor, will Sandra's name EVER come up?

Russell is shit at the social game, when he made final three last season he basically talked crap to the other two survivors and rubbed it in their faces that he did everything. He didn't do that this time so I thought he may have learned. Obviously not, and it looks like he never will. Two seasons now and any future all star seasons everyone will know how good he is so they'll be sure to notice him in a hurry. At least he can go out as one of the best, at least top three.

Parvati has to be in the top three as well. I mean if Russell didn't get it, it had to be her right? I have no clue what the jury was thinking. Just bullshit. Like Lupi said, this bullshit grudge jury mentality just drags the whole show down. I will not be watching next season.
 
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fustercluck

Diamond Member
Dec 29, 2002
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Fuck. What a travesty.

Such a terrific season of Survivor tainted by "bullshit grudge jury mentality" like abaez said. The vote should have been between Pavarti and Russel, no question about it. Sandra should not have been in the conversation. Pavarti and Russel both made extremely smart/risky moves throughout the game and both did really well in challenges. Instantly went from being one of the best seasons ever to...well, not. I thought this Jury could get over their hissy fit grudges and vote for who played the game the best. Boy was I wrong.

Pavarti should been the winner. With Russel a close second. Should have been 0 votes for Sandra. What else can Pavarti and Russel do? Get to the end without 'being mean'? Ugh. This fucking blows. Now I remember why I stopped watching Survivor.
 

Dr. Detroit

Diamond Member
Sep 25, 2004
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immediately after competing in his initial survivor event, he directly entered an all star event and demolished the field. the this is my ball and i'm going home with it bullshit jury mentality that has been cropping up more and more of late is a detriment to the game.

Russel had a huge advantage in that none of the other 19 players had ever seen Russel play and none knew of his lying scheming ways. Yes its a game, but the other players respect the "game" as they defined it when they played.

Russle did not respect the "game", he played it his own way.

I thought Parvati deserved it.
 

her209

No Lifer
Oct 11, 2000
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The point of Survivor is to get people to vote for you. The outwit, outlast, outplay part gets you to stay in the game the longer, but doesn't guarantee you the million dollars.
 

fustercluck

Diamond Member
Dec 29, 2002
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by the way, how long have they been doing final 3 get votes?

still pissed at the outcome, it makes no sense.
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
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There have been many players before that lied and schemed to advance, and they knew Russell was voted top 5 villians of all time. Not to mention most didn't trust him from the beginning. Yet they were powerless to do anything about it.

I think the key to Russell is chaos, which he creates because he thrives in it.

While others get nervous and insecure in chaos, needing desperately to 'trust' someone or something that will help bring order and hopefully a safe haven, Russell exploits that need and vulnerable state.

He reads people very well, and acting on that, he is a bit like a predator. He waits for someone to come up lame, then offers security. As a result, they feel safer and stop playing the game. Why not, he's shown he's not too trustworthy, but now they feel things are under control and things are safe again, and they are getting what they want, security.

That's where they lose. I've come to believe it's their own insecurities that they should be upset and looking at, not Russell for exploiting them. If people wouldn't get so rattled and have such a need to suppress chaos, and 'trust' people so they can feel more secure, they could play Russell or people like him to their advantage.

Yet at some point or another, most grabbed on to him in their time of need, and predictably got chewed up and spit out. They felt foolish and completely embarrassed on nat'l tv, acting like 5 year old's because not what russell did, but because ultimately they are cowards amidst chaos and uncertainty.

That's not to say the Russell should have won the game...the game is what it is. Russell is a master tho, and when you rip someone open so wide and expose their vulnerabilities to so many people, they will lash out to protect their image, to show people they supposedly are 'stronger'.

Truth is, Russell never physically hurt anyone, never cheated, and never broke any rules in the game. Ok, don't vote for him, but pull the stick out of your @ss, jury!
 
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M0RPH

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Dec 7, 2003
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Another great season ruined by a really lame jury vote. Last season Russell was the clear deserved winner. This season he did well again, but like you guys said he had a big advantage in that nobody had seen his previous season. And it seems like he made even fewer friends this time around than last time. Parvati was about the only one you might call his friend, and he seemed to have a schoolboy crush on her.

Parvati was the one with the real control of the game and she played it brilliantly in all aspects. She was even smart enough to know that Sandra might win and tried to tell Russell that they shouldn't bring her to final 3. I thought for sure Parvati would win the vote though, it just makes me sick that these stupid fucks gave it to Sandra.
 

her209

No Lifer
Oct 11, 2000
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I thought for sure Parvati would win the vote though, it just makes me sick that these stupid fucks gave it to Sandra.
Why? Sandra played it perfectly. When you know the other tribe is going to be on the jury, it wouldn't hurt your chances of trying to make alliances/friends with them prior to them getting voted off. Sandra repeatedly tried to warn the Heroes about Russell. They didn't believe or ignored her and each of them were sent packing. Rupert's speech is probably what got Sandra the win because he thanked her for trying to warn them and said it was the Heroes fault that they were on the jury. Also, Sandra voted for each one of the Heroes that went home and wound up getting all their votes in the end.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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sandra played it like some debris stuck in the flotsam in the sea that managed to wash ashore. as your own description of her accomplishment says, her strategic and in game play did absolute jack to help anyone that was in the jury other than seem the least offensive because of her lack of abilities. maybe if they went back to a two person final this stupid shit could be avoided.
 

M0RPH

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Dec 7, 2003
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Why? Sandra played it perfectly. When you know the other tribe is going to be on the jury, it wouldn't hurt your chances of trying to make alliances/friends with them prior to them getting voted off. Sandra repeatedly tried to warn the Heroes about Russell. They didn't believe or ignored her and each of them were sent packing. Rupert's speech is probably what got Sandra the win because he thanked her for trying to warn them and said it was the Heroes fault that they were on the jury. Also, Sandra voted for each one of the Heroes that went home and wound up getting all their votes in the end.

I guess her ass kissing of the heros in the final tribal council was worth a million dollars. That's about the only thing she did successfully throughout the whole game.
 

TwiceOver

Lifer
Dec 20, 2002
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Exactly what I was expecting except Russell was more of an ass about it than I expected.

I like Russell, I think he has shown he is the best survivor in the history but he needs to stop outwardly being a dick. If he kept it inside I think he could have won both seasons even playing the exact same game.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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can't say i'm surprised by the outcome.

at the final tribal council i got the vibe that everyone back at ponderosa just ragged on russel the whole time. you knew before the end of the jury questioning that russel did not stand a chance.

gotta say though i'd rather sandra than parvarti win. congrats to sandra.
 

UpgradeFailure

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Feb 29, 2004
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Colby said there wasn't as much adventure. They couldn't fish, or go out into the jungle that far. Does anyone know why? Was it some nature preserve or something lame?
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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you all saying who "should have won" have absolutely no clue about how this game is played...

just as Jeff said to Russel when he kept making excuses and that he should have won, or if America voted as well, he would have won ... that is a different show, not Survivor.
 

onza

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Sep 21, 2000
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coworker walks in - says are you surprised?

I say huh?

That sandra won.

I said.. I haven't watched it yet.

She says - SORRY! At least you won't be surprised now..

BITCH!!!!!!!

So pissed right now I was helping my brother move over the weekend so I had it recorded. MUTHER F'ER
 
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PricklyPete

Lifer
Sep 17, 2002
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Parvati should have won over Sandra. Rupert pretty much gave Sandra the win with his little speech. Russell is unbelievably talented at the outlast part of this game...but horrible at making friends or gaining respect...which is what gets you a million dollars. That's been part of this game since day one. Russell is not the first person in the game who was able to scheme himself to the end, but others at least gained people respect... Russell's lack of self-awareness and need to rub in his victories over others turns people away from respecting him...and they definitely are not friends with him. He can play survivor as many times as he wants...he'll never win.
 

Number1

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Feb 24, 2006
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I hope the next bunch of survivor can learn from this and act accordingly. It's obvious that the coat tail riders, the one who stay in the shadow, that get dragged along and manage to piss the least number of jury member are a huge threat to bring to a jury.

The votes should have been between Pavarti and Russell. They made big moves, took big chances and kept the show extremely interesting.

They should go back to a final two format instead where the coat tail rider gets eliminated before the vote.
I loved this season and hated the outcome. I am glad Russell did get the $100,000.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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I'm surprised that so many of you think Russel should have won. All he did was lie to every single person on his team, and he's not bright enough to understand that people that hate you are reluctant to hand you a million bucks. He's a snake, he acted like a snake, the jury treated him like a snake. I find it depressing that that he won the 100k from sprint, because that means that most people think being a lying piece of shit is acceptable.

Sandra won because she was the lessor of three evils.
 

Number1

Diamond Member
Feb 24, 2006
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Because a few rapid ignorant fanboys like you stuffed the ballot box? WTF cares? The game is Survivor. He wanted to win THAT and he failed miserably because he is the most socially inept player in the history of the game. Thee only thing more puzzling than Russell's inability to understand the voting system is why a few children here worship him. Seriously, what's up with that? No matter how deeply you have your tongue buried up Russell's ass you still have to admit that he is the worst social player in history. Nobody has come close to being that loathed and collecting that few jury votes.

I don't know why you have to resort to name calling and insulting rhetoric. He is entitled to his opinion and so are you. It would be nice if you kept it civil.
 

Number1

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Feb 24, 2006
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I'm surprised that so many of you think Russel should have won. All he did was lie to every single person on his team, and he's not bright enough to understand that people that hate you are reluctant to hand you a million bucks. He's a snake, he acted like a snake, the jury treated him like a snake. I find it depressing that that he won the 100k from sprint, because that means that most people think being a lying piece of shit is acceptable.

Sandra won because she was the lessor of three evils.
She was not deserving. The name of the game is to outwit, outplay and outlast and the person who does it best should win the game. Not some sniveling coat tail rider.
 
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AnonymouseUser

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May 14, 2003
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I hate to say it, but after two lame finales where the ultimate survivor didn't win (and a worthless, undeserving Sandra did), Survivor has officially jumped the shark. I'm not sure if I can watch it anymore...
 

Number1

Diamond Member
Feb 24, 2006
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I hate to say it, but after two lame finales where the ultimate survivor didn't win (and a worthless, undeserving Sandra did), Survivor has officially jumped the shark. I'm not sure if I can watch it anymore...

Well there is not much change in the way this game or the previous one ended. I hated the outcomes but I thorouly enjoyed both seasons.
Ill keep watching and hope they can improve the way the game ends.
 
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