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lupi

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now this is getting interesting, did chase do enough to piss off jane to get fucked in return.

and let's not forget there is still an idol left out there, and this is probably the last council to use it.
 

lupi

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lol, and the one thing that would really stir things up...a fabio win. lol. so, do they do the easy thing and toss dan now, or does it become time to let the knives fly in darkness.
 

lupi

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oh jane.......the look of vultures circling while you stare at them.


and now she goes with the sob story, oh the lulz as marty told you this would happen and yet you were determined to boot him at the time instead of busting the heavy hitters.
 

lupi

Lifer
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"the wrath of jane will break out tonight"




and then she douses the fire "by god i started it i'll put it out"
 

lupi

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lolololol, and chase tries to get them to open and admit the other three are on the way out, omg this is a top 5 epic council of all time already.
 

lupi

Lifer
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and that low pressure cell moving along the plains is estimated to be emitting from the sphincter of miss holly.


and wow, jeff actually tossing out to the other three to combine to vote one of them off. which is sadder. they didn't think of that on there own or jeff having to lay it before them.
 

lupi

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and it is last idol chance, and both get tossed leaving holly looking like the day she was born.
 

lupi

Lifer
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ooooooooommmmmmmmmggggggggg, which tool went and voted jane instead of going tie breaker. you all but guaranteed you are gone next council.
 

lupi

Lifer
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oh it's sooo funny, everyone screwed up the vote. jane tosses one against sash and the other two both go after her still.

this weekend's show will be a real party atmosphere as I don't recall it feeling this open in awhile.
 

fustercluck

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Dec 29, 2002
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I'm surprised people still watch this show after the ending to heroes vs villains, that was a joke. I bet their ratings have dropped considerably since last season anyways. That last season (heroes vs villains... i think that was the one before the current) itself was so good, everything that Survivor should be. In the end, the jilted jury just voted for who they hated they least instead of who played the game best. That exposed a big flaw in the game of survivor IMO. Most of the challenges ended up being just a waste of time. I'm sure it wasn't the first time a bitter jury turned the final vote into a popularity contest.

I'm not really sure what they can do about it though. Can't really let America have a vote in the final tribal council because there is so much that gets edited out during 35 days on an island or whatever it is, and the producers are the ones choose who they want to make into heroes and villains...though for some players it's just obvious which side they're on.

I just wish the people on the jury wouldn't get so pissed/bitter about being voted out each season and vote for people who deserve to win instead of who they hate the least. It can't be helped I guess.
 

her209

No Lifer
Oct 11, 2000
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If Fabio plays it smart, i.e., gets Dan vote with him, they'll be deciding who is in the final 3. Fabio's best chance of winning would be against Chase as he's backstabbed the most number of people. Just jump in a 3-way alliance with Chase and pick off Sash or Holly. Then hope whoever is left of the two doesn't win individual immunity and vote them out. Fabio can claim that he played the most honest game, won immunity when he needed to, and he made the right moves when it counted.

Can't wait til Sunday.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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ooooooooommmmmmmmmggggggggg, which tool went and voted jane instead of going tie breaker. you all but guaranteed you are gone next council.

the smartest thing they could have possibly done is get rid of jane. i don't see how anyone can think otherwise, obviously the survivors all thought this.

she would EASILY win the million dollars if she was top 3, and everyone left knew that.

it would have been stupid as shit for them to vote out holly and have a 3/3 tie, and jane possibyl staying there.

sure jane is nice and all and it was kind of jacked up seeing her get stabbed in the back, but this game is just as much about WHO you take to the finals as it is actually getting there. getting rid of jane while they had the easiest opportunity is definitely the smartest thing to do IMO.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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I'm surprised people still watch this show after the ending to heroes vs villains, that was a joke. I bet their ratings have dropped considerably since last season anyways. That last season (heroes vs villains... i think that was the one before the current) itself was so good, everything that Survivor should be. In the end, the jilted jury just voted for who they hated they least instead of who played the game best. That exposed a big flaw in the game of survivor IMO. Most of the challenges ended up being just a waste of time. I'm sure it wasn't the first time a bitter jury turned the final vote into a popularity contest.

I'm not really sure what they can do about it though. Can't really let America have a vote in the final tribal council because there is so much that gets edited out during 35 days on an island or whatever it is, and the producers are the ones choose who they want to make into heroes and villains...though for some players it's just obvious which side they're on.

I just wish the people on the jury wouldn't get so pissed/bitter about being voted out each season and vote for people who deserve to win instead of who they hate the least. It can't be helped I guess.

ummm, as jeff said on the finale last year, if you want to play the game you are looking for, well it's not Survivor. it's another game.

and hate to break it to you, but if Russel had played the best last year, he would have won the million dollars. he played the same exact way 2 seasons in a row, made it to the final, and had absolutely no supporters in either season. that right there shows you he obviously did not play the game the best. he was one of the tools that people want to bring to the end because no one would get his votes.

as you even stated, the show is edited to about 11 hours from 39 days, im sure tons of other stuff goes on that we don't see.

russel's social game is one of the worst in the history of survivor, and that is why he got no support. the social aspect of survivor is just as big, and probably bigger, than the physical and mental aspect of the game.
 

lupi

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Apr 8, 2001
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Yes get rid of jane, but get rid of her next council. She has minimal chance at an idol victory and looking to get into a final four situation, no one would want her lasting anymore. However by taking her one more you can go for a knockout of someone who will be much more difficult to organize a vote for and someone who is likely to get votes at final final, someone like holly.

Right now my personal ranking of most likely to get vote by those left would be

Fabio
Holly
Sash
Chase
Dan

Except for ghetto girl, fabio never really clashed with anyone and had several decent to close friends with whom he had no part in voting out.

Holly has appeared friendly enough to all, even those seeking assistance as they were about to be voted off, to take the classic under the radar position; right up till she took part in the great jane coup.

Sash has mild conflict with several jurors as not helping when their neck was before the noose as the in public view leader of the alliance backing their removal. And as holder of a shared idol, he has one hell of a burnt bridge with brendumb.

Chase, he spent much time at a crossroads of alliances and one side of that connection is all sitting the bleachers. Possibly a somewhat mild disposition until the public persecution before council as he played bruto at janes downfall.

Dan, he's only been around so long as no one has seen him as a threat, and short of ghetto girl somehow managing to make it to the final pairing with him there really isn't any other member hated enough to shift a prejudicial vote to him.
 

Spineshank

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ummm, as jeff said on the finale last year, if you want to play the game you are looking for, well it's not Survivor. it's another game.

and hate to break it to you, but if Russel had played the best last year, he would have won the million dollars. he played the same exact way 2 seasons in a row, made it to the final, and had absolutely no supporters in either season. that right there shows you he obviously did not play the game the best. he was one of the tools that people want to bring to the end because no one would get his votes.

as you even stated, the show is edited to about 11 hours from 39 days, im sure tons of other stuff goes on that we don't see.

russel's social game is one of the worst in the history of survivor, and that is why he got no support. the social aspect of survivor is just as big, and probably bigger, than the physical and mental aspect of the game.

You are way wrong with how Russell played. He played one of the best social games ever. He convinced people to vote with him each and every time. Every week he was surely gone but he was good at getting people to side with him. He lost because he backstabbed people and people get all butt hurt.
 

Spineshank

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Yes get rid of jane, but get rid of her next council. She has minimal chance at an idol victory and looking to get into a final four situation, no one would want her lasting anymore. However by taking her one more you can go for a knockout of someone who will be much more difficult to organize a vote for and someone who is likely to get votes at final final, someone like holly.

Right now my personal ranking of most likely to get vote by those left would be

Fabio
Holly
Sash
Chase
Dan

Except for ghetto girl, fabio never really clashed with anyone and had several decent to close friends with whom he had no part in voting out.

Holly has appeared friendly enough to all, even those seeking assistance as they were about to be voted off, to take the classic under the radar position; right up till she took part in the great jane coup.

Sash has mild conflict with several jurors as not helping when their neck was before the noose as the in public view leader of the alliance backing their removal. And as holder of a shared idol, he has one hell of a burnt bridge with brendumb.

Chase, he spent much time at a crossroads of alliances and one side of that connection is all sitting the bleachers. Possibly a somewhat mild disposition until the public persecution before council as he played bruto at janes downfall.

Dan, he's only been around so long as no one has seen him as a threat, and short of ghetto girl somehow managing to make it to the final pairing with him there really isn't any other member hated enough to shift a prejudicial vote to him.


I think Sash would win against Fabio or at least I think he should win. Both have played the best game out here.
 

lupi

Lifer
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just read my brothers blog, he seems to have the same general thoughts and even included a non-ranked chance to win commentary on each one left. sounded like other than changing the position of sash and chase that if ranked his list would look just like mine.
 

abaez

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Jan 28, 2000
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ummm, as jeff said on the finale last year, if you want to play the game you are looking for, well it's not Survivor. it's another game.

and hate to break it to you, but if Russel had played the best last year, he would have won the million dollars. he played the same exact way 2 seasons in a row, made it to the final, and had absolutely no supporters in either season. that right there shows you he obviously did not play the game the best. he was one of the tools that people want to bring to the end because no one would get his votes.

as you even stated, the show is edited to about 11 hours from 39 days, im sure tons of other stuff goes on that we don't see.

russel's social game is one of the worst in the history of survivor, and that is why he got no support. the social aspect of survivor is just as big, and probably bigger, than the physical and mental aspect of the game.

So you're ok with Sandra, one of the worst, laziest, dumbest, survivors ever.. winning? I mean seriously. They voted Sandra cause they were bitter that Russel outgamed them. The end. As I posted when the thread started, I stopped watching after Sandra won. And it looks like alot of others did two with two million less people watching this year from last season.
 

Homerboy

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I just watched it this morning.

I didnt like how Probst was directly trying to influence the vote. Sure he tends to try to stir the pot, but this time, he was just flat out saying "Hey, you 3.... you need to vote Holly!" Which, thank God they were smart and didn't do. They have a better chance swaying one of the remaining 2 (Chase, Sash) to their side. Especially Dan knows that he can't win, so nobody is going to want to vote him off. Though Jane casting a vote for Sash? What? Ummm he has an idol, let alone if she had ANY hope she would have voted Holly just in cas Dan and Fabio voted for Holly too. Jane's vote I think had to be the dumbest vote I have ever seen. I just didn't get it. If it was a "F-U" vote, wouldn't she send that "message" to Chase?

The stand off between those 4 in the jungle was awesome. Just awesome. The looks they gave around to eachother. Chase staring off into space, then trying to throw Holly and Sash under the bus by saying "Well thats what you two want right? To vote Jane off?" (making it look like it wasn't his opinion too). Then Sash, obviously seeing this tactic for what it was just dead-staring at Chase like "you dirty mother F'er". Then Fabio's reaction to the water on the fire.... oh man classic shit all around.

For what seemed like a shitty season, its saved itself as best as possible.

Off to read Probst's blog.
 

TwiceOver

Lifer
Dec 20, 2002
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So you're ok with Sandra, one of the worst, laziest, dumbest, survivors ever.. winning? I mean seriously. They voted Sandra cause they were bitter that Russel outgamed them.

Yup. Russel should have won both his seasons. Unfortunately it is a popularity contest and he is openly an ass. Sandra winning was such a waste.

This season I have to root for Holly since she is from my state. Once she goes, I could really care less who wins. Chase I guess? Maybe Fabio, but then he balled like a little baby over not seeing his mom, so maybe he should get tossed. Who else is there... Sash? What a douche. Dan? What a joke...

Not sure I'm interested in any more seasons unless they fix the formatting a little.
 

her209

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Oct 11, 2000
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So you're ok with Sandra, one of the worst, laziest, dumbest, survivors ever.. winning? I mean seriously. They voted Sandra cause they were bitter that Russel outgamed them. The end. As I posted when the thread started, I stopped watching after Sandra won. And it looks like alot of others did two with two million less people watching this year from last season.
Flying under the radar gets you a million dollars, especially if you're going up against someone that the jury despises. Remember, Natalie won against Russell. I don't think anyone can dispute Russell was better when it came to the manipulation part of the game, but he was also ruthless which costs him votes. I assume Russell knows that you're supposed to take people that won't get more votes than you, but the other one or two people in the final also know that, which is why they kept Russell around. That part he doesn't get. I would think that if there was any chance of Russell winning, he'd be voted out. Russell is also a poor winner and loser. Just look at when was in the final three with Natalie and Mick. The morning after voting out the final jury member, he was acting like the money was his already. And when he lost, he was offering to buy the title. C'mon.
 
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Homerboy

Lifer
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Yup. Russel should have won both his seasons. Unfortunately it is a popularity contest and he is openly an ass. Sandra winning was such a waste.

This season I have to root for Holly since she is from my state. Once she goes, I could really care less who wins. Chase I guess? Maybe Fabio, but then he balled like a little baby over not seeing his mom, so maybe he should get tossed. Who else is there... Sash? What a douche. Dan? What a joke...

Not sure I'm interested in any more seasons unless they fix the formatting a little.

Fix what? It's been said 100 times now that Russell, while a BRILLIANT strategist and tricky mo-fo SUCKED at the social side of the game. Strategy, cunning etc gets you to the vote as Russell showed TWICE. But when it comes to the vote, its the social aspect of the game that lets you win. People are realizing this now. Thats why they see people like Jane as a threat and why bringing people like Na'Onka and Sash to the end is smart. Sure they made it to the end, but only fucking people over along the way. Russell losing twice has changed the game!

And really? You're reason for voting people off is cuz they cried when they saw their mom (somebody they only see 2 times a year anyways?) but you vote for Holly because she is from your state? IIRC Holly was crying to be voted off a few days into the competition... that she missed her family etc. and it was "too hard"
 
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